Messianic Jews say they are persecute...

Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Safety pins and screws are still lodged in 15-year-old Ami Ortiz's body three months after he opened a booby-trapped gift basket sent to his family.

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#63916 Dec 10, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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Only brain-dead perverts and satanists like you behave in that crude manner.
Anyway, do as you please.
ahhh, but Hugh doesn't communicate. He attempts to lecture. There is no give and take. When he is ready for two way communication, we'll revisit him.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#63917 Dec 10, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
Linking Judaism with a practice or a philosophy that's as refined as non-dualism is like equating dregs with gold. LMAO.
Obviously you are ill informed as usual

Someday ask you Jewish relatives to explain to you Hasidic thought.

We have broached this topic before. Stop being willfully forgetful.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#63918 Dec 10, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
I think the highest state of the union of the subject with the object on any plane or with the absolute field itself is not perfect nondualism but a kind of dualo-nondualism since the individuality is not fully subsumed into the typal essence of the higher planes or of the absolute field except in the sense of a loose mergence of the subject with the object with full retention of the individual consciousness of the entire process.
You know AJ Heschel basically promoted the same idea years ago.

"God means: Togetherness of all beings in holy otherness..."

http://ejournals.bc.edu/ojs/index.php/scjr/ar...

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#63920 Dec 10, 2013
Each supracosmic and each cosmic plane has a typal mantra or a root vibration. Meditation on an activated mantra which is the root vibration of a specific plane generates in the system of the meditator the same vibrational waves of the plane of consciousness of which the mantra is a sound representation. Without the mantra of a specific plane, one cannot hope to merge with the typal consciousness-energy of that plane.

“Here again in The Torah”

Since: Nov 13

Denver Colorado 80218

#63921 Dec 10, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Pagan mental gymnastics
rabbee: well ELO-HEEM, EL-SHADDAEE, YH-VH, certainly sounds like A MALE And FEMALE - I-AM what I-AM, and I shall be what I-AM as ONE G-D. since if it were only a male or female, there would only be one polarized I-AM instead of two, stated as ONE I-AM.

but then i would never dare to be an enemy of G-D, by calling THEM BOTH as pagans. no matter how many jews, have always preferred to do this. as evidenced, their captivities, dispersions and holocausts. only claiming to be true, to any not here in TheTorah other g-ds. shall never make you true to HaShem G-D, still here in Only TheTorah from THEM given to Moshe.

just which subtle beasts of the fields, convinced you all that you needed their not here in TheTorah new testaments? so you can all be like self expert g-ds, pretending to tell the not here in TheTorah alleged as truth - here in Only TheTorah from G-D Only.

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#63922 Dec 10, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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"God means: Togetherness of all beings in holy otherness..."
No, it's not the same thing that I spoke of.

What he says is a purely dualistic thing.

I meant the dualo-nondualistic state of consciousness-energy in which there is a union in consciousness-energy of the subject with the object without full loss of individuality.

The meditator becomes one in consciousness-energy with a cosmic plane or with the absolute and possesses the entire range of knowledge, power, light, plasticity, omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence and bliss of the plane or of the absolute in this union but at the same time he retains the basal impress of his past fund of instincts that defines his individuality.

At the same time, the infusion of the of the typal consciousness-energy of a specific plane or of the absolute merged with gradually dissolves the individuality of the meditator though I guess the complete erasure of individuality does not take place due to lack of total receptivity on the part of the yogi.

“Here again in The Torah”

Since: Nov 13

Denver Colorado 80218

#63923 Dec 10, 2013
what an amazing coincidence, just like the last time. G-D only gave TheTorah to Moshe, and again there ain't nobody here in it from Adam to adam today.

makes it look as if, adam and his assigned mate. never had any children or grandchildren here in Only TheTorah again from TheG-D of Only TheTorah.

disappointing when G-D is forever giving Only TheTorah. and there is never anybody here in IT, when Adam to adam are arrived.

i guess this is just another one, of those unsolvable murder mysteries. who murdered all the grandchildren of adam and chaooah again? had to of been some kind, of mass not here in TheTorah murder-suicide.

nothing but these subtle, not here in TheTorah talking critters again. maybe they all died, in some kind of vicious animal attacks?

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#63924 Dec 10, 2013
LOSS OF INDIVIDUALITY BEGINS WITH THE UNIFICATION MECHANISM OF THE SUPRAMENTAL PRINCIPLE:

1) The supracosmic as well as the cosmic realms are manifestations of a nondual field of consciousness-energy but in the manifestation they get separated from their original nondual poise and act along individual lines of karma over many millions if not over many billions of years of taking a form and dissolving it and then in keeping with the causal impact of the previous formation a new form is adopted to work out the cause-effect laws and all of this coming into form, getting rid of the form and then taking a new form in keeping with causal or evolutionary/devolutionary mechanism over millions of existences leaves a cumulative impression on the line of consciousness that's hard to shake off completely.

2) From the supramental planes upwards, an attempt is made by the will-in-the consciousness-energy field to erase the individuality by re-unifying the scattered aspects of the individual, reconciling the opposites in him and re-joining together the outer and inner aspects of the individual and then attempting to unite these with the typal nature of the universal forces so that the divide between the individual and the universal slowly disappears.

3) This grand unification of the various aspects of the individual and of the unified individual aspects with the universals is possible within broad limits only in the supramental planes and beyond.

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#63925 Dec 10, 2013
The complete erasure of individuality is possible but it usually does not take place due to a lack of perfect receptivity on the part of the yogi and so the dualo-nondualistic poise of the subject with the object on any plane or with the absolute field itself is more common than perfect nondualism.

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#63926 Dec 10, 2013
Just a handful of individuals like maybe just around half a dozen of gifted individuals have attained to the supramental planes (12th to 15th planes) in all of history and less than half a dozen advanced yogis may have reached up to the planes exceeding the supramental planes. It's that difficult a feat to achieve.

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#63928 Dec 10, 2013
Big Spender wrote:
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Joel Limca ... you are a complete azzhole!
Are you a relative of Stefano the non-scholar? LOL.

I don't do anal nor oral nor vaginal nor handjob.

(wink wink wink)

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#63929 Dec 10, 2013
Hugh and a few other male posters here are into anal and oral with other men. LOL.
Thatdudewhydude

Pigeon Forge, TN

#63930 Dec 10, 2013
Perhaps the best answer would be to genocide jews...maybe all religion..yeah all religion...and just accept aliens as our creator. And all live in the woods and all work on spaceships. yeah...

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#63931 Dec 10, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
It is an interesting issue.
Bottom line is that the question is moot, because Humanistic Judaism and secular Judaism may be meaningful to the current "practitioners" but they have no method to transmit their systems to their children because implicit in their value system is an embrace of interfaith marriage. So they are doomed to extinction.
Why don't you think interfaith marriage partners can maintain the cultural aspects of one of the partners? If it's important enough to them, I'm sure they will transmit it to their children, no?
Frijoles wrote:
...Theologically, Judaism is 100% compatible with agnosticism, but not atheism -
I'm going to nitpick on terminology a bit. Agnosticism and Atheism are mutually exclusive terms. One is either an agnostic atheist or a gnostic atheist (as opposed to an agnostic theist or a gnostic theist). All atheists I've ever known (including the well known "new" atheists such as Hitchen, Dawkins, Harrison, Dennett) are all agnostic atheists, since they acknowledge that you can't definitively disprove God. It is a common misconception (and common source of strawman arguments) that those who self-identify as atheist are gnostic atheist. That is not the case.
Frijoles wrote:
What I dont get about the Jewish atheists and the Jewish humanists is that if they would actually learn more about the other Jewish denominations, they would find currents of ideology that are probably compatible with their value system. Jews have been discussing and debating these issues for 1000s of years.
Reading the comments section of that article, it appears that many atheist/humanist Jews have done just that.

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#63932 Dec 10, 2013
WHERE DOES INDIVIDUAL EFFORT IN THE YOGA END?

1) Individual effort ends with the cosmic overmental planes (9th to 12th planes). Ascent no longer works if one wishes to exceed the overmental planes.

2) If the yogi wishes to rise to the planes exceeding the cosmic overmental, then individual effort cannot help. So, how does he rise beyond the overmental planes into the planes exceeding the overmental which are the supramental planes and even beyond? In such a case, the typal being of the plane has to descend and unite in consciousness-energy with the being of the yogi and lift his consciousness-energy field into the plane that the typal being of that plane presides over.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63933 Dec 10, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Him and Hugh are two who peed in the pod.
Is pod another name for your head? As I recall you were standing downstairs.

Much love, Mon.

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#63934 Dec 10, 2013
GOD THE ALMIGHTY CREATOR OF THE COSMOS IS FICTION:

1) The ignorant believe that an almighty creator called God who has created the whole cosmos and who presides over it exists but laughably what these deluded believers call God or the Almighty Creator is simply a typal being of a certain cosmic plane that is the exclusive object of their worship.

2) Gods who're typal beings found on the various cosmic planes exist.

3) The absolute reality is a unified field of conscious-energy of which the cosmos, the Gods and cosmic phenomena are manifested aspects.

4) God as the Almighty Creator of the cosmos does not exist.

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#63935 Dec 10, 2013
The absolute reality is not a being but a unified field of the subtlest state of consciousness, energy and matter.

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#63936 Dec 10, 2013
A being is simply a formation of the manifested consciousness, energy and matter of the unified field.

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#63937 Dec 10, 2013
The unified field eternally oscillates between a state of equilibrium (unmanifest state) to a state of non-equilibrium (manifest state).

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