Messianic Jews say they are persecute...

Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63584 Dec 2, 2013
I gave Eric the time and instead of pretending to be sensible and use the time given he opens his mouth and removed all doubts.

Later.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#63585 Dec 2, 2013
chuckle

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#63586 Dec 2, 2013
HughBe wrote:
I gave Eric the time and instead of pretending to be sensible and use the time given he opens his mouth and removed all doubts.
Later.
your check is still in the mail, I see
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63587 Dec 2, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
your check is still in the mail, I see
Are you trying to say that you are checking the mail for the cheque?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63588 Dec 2, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
Listen numb nuts. In order to be a Hebrew or a descendant of Ishmael, one must be Semitic. Being Semitic has nothing to do with religion. Being a Muslim is being a member of Islam, a religion.
Now YOU are the one who said "HughBe--- Understand, if Ishmael is in the list of your "Hebrews" then BMZ, Alex and MUQ are also in the list of Hebrews." AND THAT IS WRONG WRONG WRONG. They are members of Islam, a religion, and they are therefore Muslims. BUT they are NOT descendants of Ishmael. Therefore, they cannot be Hebrews.
But it is Ishmael who is the tie between Islam and Abraham. It makes Islam an Abrahamic religion.
Yes, MUQ, Alex, and BMZ are Muslims. But that doesn't make them a descendant of Ishmael. Muhammad was the one who was a descendant of Ishmael. That makes the religion he founded an Abrahamic religion.
Get it, dumb arse.
Son, get a HOLD on your mind you are losing it.

WE are not talking about Semitic people. The focus is on HEBREWS.

Do not introduce additional things as when I explain them they will all go over you head.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63589 Dec 2, 2013
you=your
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63590 Dec 2, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
Listen numb nuts. In order to be a Hebrew or a descendant of Ishmael, one must be Semitic. Being Semitic has nothing to do with religion. Being a Muslim is being a member of Islam, a religion.
Now YOU are the one who said "HughBe--- Understand, if Ishmael is in the list of your "Hebrews" then BMZ, Alex and MUQ are also in the list of Hebrews." AND THAT IS WRONG WRONG WRONG. They are members of Islam, a religion, and they are therefore Muslims. BUT they are NOT descendants of Ishmael. Therefore, they cannot be Hebrews.
But it is Ishmael who is the tie between Islam and Abraham. It makes Islam an Abrahamic religion.
Yes, MUQ, Alex, and BMZ are Muslims. But that doesn't make them a descendant of Ishmael. Muhammad was the one who was a descendant of Ishmael. That makes the religion he founded an Abrahamic religion.
Get it, dumb arse.
Understand, WE are talking about YOUR list which started with Ishmael.

Now get someone to explain to you what comes next.

You are the only one on this forum that does not know that Alex is a MUSLIM.

Note, it is possible that he is Semitic.

If Ishmael is in the list of your "Hebrews" then BMZ, Alex and MUQ are also in the list of Hebrews. WHY? They are in the MIDST of your list. Put it this way they are sandwiched between Ishmael and the real list.

Get it Einstein?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63591 Dec 2, 2013
Enough time wasted here.

Where is Virgin?

Is he spending all his time eating?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#63592 Dec 2, 2013
HughBe wrote:
Enough time wasted here.
agreed

all the wasted verbiage in the world doesnt mask the fact you have yet to deliver

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Since: Sep 11

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#63593 Dec 2, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Understand, WE are talking about YOUR list which started with Ishmael.
Now get someone to explain to you what comes next.
You are the only one on this forum that does not know that Alex is a MUSLIM.
Note, it is possible that he is Semitic.
If Ishmael is in the list of your "Hebrews" then BMZ, Alex and MUQ are also in the list of Hebrews. WHY? They are in the MIDST of your list. Put it this way they are sandwiched between Ishmael and the real list.
Get it Einstein?
Even I know what Alex is. He is Celtic, by own admission

That makes him as likely semitic as you are.
Eric

Elk Grove Village, IL

#63594 Dec 2, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Understand, WE are talking about YOUR list which started with Ishmael.
Now get someone to explain to you what comes next.
You are the only one on this forum that does not know that Alex is a MUSLIM.
Note, it is possible that he is Semitic.
If Ishmael is in the list of your "Hebrews" then BMZ, Alex and MUQ are also in the list of Hebrews. WHY? They are in the MIDST of your list. Put it this way they are sandwiched between Ishmael and the real list.
Get it Einstein?
I am not the one who is having the problem, numb nuts. To be a Hebrew one has to be a descendant of Hebrews. It has nothing to do with religion. Ishmael was Semitic. He was a Hebrew. His descendants are Hebrews. But MUQ is not a descendant of Ishmael. He is not a Hebrew. Alex isn't either. I have doubts that BMZ is a descendant of Ishmael either. All of them are Muslims because they are members of Islam. Has nothing to do with descent.

Being a descendant of Ishmael doesn't make you a Muslim. It is the tie of Islam to Abraham because Muhammad was a descendant of Ishmael.

Dumb arse.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63595 Dec 2, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Even I know what Alex is. He is Celtic, by own admission
That makes him as likely semitic as you are.
Frijoles---Even I know what Alex is.

HughBe--- That is the sort of thing that you tend to know. You have a preoccupation with RACE. Alex is a Muslim which is religion and he tends to speak about RELIGION.

Frijoles--- He is Celtic, by own admission

HughBe--- Accepted but he is not preoccupied with it.

Frijoles---That makes him as likely semitic as you are.

HughBe---- There is no need or DESIRE for me to be Semitic. I am who I am and I am more than contended with how God has made me and blessed me.

Is there something to be gained by being Semitic? If yes share the benefits.

Kindly STUDY what comes next and explain how Alex's RACE i.e. Celtic changes his connection to Islam.

Your man Eric is the only one on this forum that does not know that Alex is a MUSLIM.

If Ishmael is in the list of Eric's "Hebrews" then BMZ, Alex and MUQ are also in the list of Hebrews. WHY? They are in the MIDST of his list. Put it this way they are sandwiched between Ishmael and the real list.

Can YOU understand this professor nuts?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63596 Dec 2, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
agreed
all the wasted verbiage in the world doesnt mask the fact you have yet to deliver
I shall leave the DELIVERY to you.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63597 Dec 2, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>I am not the one who is having the problem, numb nuts. To be a Hebrew one has to be a descendant of Hebrews. It has nothing to do with religion. Ishmael was Semitic. He was a Hebrew. His descendants are Hebrews. But MUQ is not a descendant of Ishmael. He is not a Hebrew. Alex isn't either. I have doubts that BMZ is a descendant of Ishmael either. All of them are Muslims because they are members of Islam. Has nothing to do with descent.
Being a descendant of Ishmael doesn't make you a Muslim. It is the tie of Islam to Abraham because Muhammad was a descendant of Ishmael.
Dumb arse.
Confounded nuisance, please get someone with average intelligence to explain my words that come next.

WE are talking about YOUR list, of the MAJOR subsets of Hebrews, which you started with Ishmael.

YOU have said that Ishmael is in the your list. Now if this is so then BMZ, Alex and MUQ are also in YOUR list of Hebrews. WHY? They are in the MIDST of your list. Put it this way they are sandwiched between Ishmael and the real list.

Get it Einstein?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63598 Dec 2, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>I am not the one who is having the problem, numb nuts. To be a Hebrew one has to be a descendant of Hebrews. It has nothing to do with religion. Ishmael was Semitic. He was a Hebrew. His descendants are Hebrews. But MUQ is not a descendant of Ishmael. He is not a Hebrew. Alex isn't either. I have doubts that BMZ is a descendant of Ishmael either. All of them are Muslims because they are members of Islam. Has nothing to do with descent.
Being a descendant of Ishmael doesn't make you a Muslim. It is the tie of Islam to Abraham because Muhammad was a descendant of Ishmael.
Dumb arse.
Your FULL list of the major subset of Hebrews is below, Eric.

You have said that Ishmael is in the LIST. If this is so then BMZ, Alex and MUQ are a part of your list and are sandwiched between Ishmael and the other names.

Now, as DUMB as you think that you are please surprise yourself and understand it now.

ERic--"Let's see, why don't we start with the descendants of Ishmael. Ask BMZ, Alex and MUQ about the descendants of Ishmael.
And don't forget about the descendants of Abraham's other sons:
Issac
Midian
Zimran
Shuah
Jokshan
Ishbak
Medan

Since: Nov 13

Denver, CO

#63599 Dec 2, 2013
well apparently we still have not solved, the problem of the national debt or messianic jews being persecuted in yesrael.

Since: Nov 13

Denver, CO

#63600 Dec 2, 2013
this message thread, is even less efficient than 113th congress against G-D also. your greatness comes in doing, actually nothing about it. even thought the democrat g-ds of reelection, have made their choice for all of you. no taxation without representation, does this mean that non-democrats don't have to pay their democrat mafia? when apparently government taxation, is more addictive than heroin.

Since: Nov 13

Denver, CO

#63601 Dec 2, 2013
HughBe wrote:
you=your
rabbee: we, forgive you! since we know how hard it is to write, with a lisp.

Since: Nov 13

Denver, CO

#63602 Dec 2, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Even I know what Alex is. He is Celtic, by own admission
That makes him as likely semitic as you are.
rabbee: and i didn't even know, he played basket ball.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#63603 Dec 3, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Frijoles---Even I know what Alex is.
HughBe--- That is the sort of thing that you tend to know. You have a preoccupation with RACE. Alex is a Muslim which is religion and he tends to speak about RELIGION.
Frijoles--- He is Celtic, by own admission
HughBe--- Accepted but he is not preoccupied with it.
Frijoles---That makes him as likely semitic as you are.
HughBe---- There is no need or DESIRE for me to be Semitic. I am who I am and I am more than contended with how God has made me and blessed me.
Is there something to be gained by being Semitic? If yes share the benefits.
Kindly STUDY what comes next and explain how Alex's RACE i.e. Celtic changes his connection to Islam.
Your man Eric is the only one on this forum that does not know that Alex is a MUSLIM.
If Ishmael is in the list of Eric's "Hebrews" then BMZ, Alex and MUQ are also in the list of Hebrews. WHY? They are in the MIDST of his list. Put it this way they are sandwiched between Ishmael and the real list.
Can YOU understand this professor nuts?
Numb nuts

(who has yet to address the question on how his messiah could be biblically legit)

As Eric has said, and as no doubt any of the Muslims you referred to would freely admit, NONE of them are descendants of Ishmael, therefore none of them are Hebrews. They are all Muslim, in the way that if I became Zen Bhuddist that wouldnt make me Japanese.

Islam is a religion, not a people.

Christianity is a religion, not a people.

Hebrews are/were a people. Arabs, while not exactly a people, are a genetically based (i.e. what you are calling "racial") category as well. Not all Muslims are Arab - Muq (Indian descent), Alex (white European descent), and BMZ (Persian descent living in Singapore) are not.

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