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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63564 Dec 2, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
I'd settle for an admission on his part that he had not thought through his hypothesis completely nor thought to apply it to Jesus as described in the New Testament. Then we can move on. We have all had the opportunity on here to bite our tongue and admit mistakes. Hugh should not be made to do more.
Eric---I'd settle for an admission on his part that he had not thought through his hypothesis completely nor thought to apply it to Jesus as described in the New Testament.

HughBe--- You are a COMIC. Are you the one that have maintained that I ask questions that I know the answers for? YES

This should tell you that I am a THINKER. So, although the matter under consideration is not a question it is my HABIT to THINK. Besides my approach is honest and logical and so it did not require me to contemplate its implications in relationship to Jesus before I made the utterance.

I have observed that at best you think occasionally. I am not like you in this regard and neither am I like you to speak lies so freely. It is a true statement to say that I am almost PERFECT when it comes to honesty.

Finally, I have a LOGICAL, HONEST and scriptural answer. I would not insist on saying this if it was not so especially since the context is not a joke or a tease.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63565 Dec 2, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know whether to laugh at you or feel sorry for you if you actually think you're convincing anyone that you have a logical, honest answer.
The plagues afflicted the Egyptians, the sea was crossed and yet those who saw all these things were not convinced.

So there is nothing new with your position.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63566 Dec 2, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>Hugh, the list had Ishmael, Issac, as well as the other sons of Abraham along with Esau. And, according to my source, I forgot a whole lot more.
btw, did you notice that your demands have broadened as it becomes obvious that you are sinking in the mud. You original demand was "Using scriptures and secular sources show that the word Hebrews was applied to those in your list not including Israel"
Which I am prepared to do once you prove that Jesus is a Jew using your biological, patrilineal definition.
Balls in you court!
Time waster, Ishmael was NOT in any list. You can add him and anyone else to the LIST and then quote ONE passage from the Bible that calls him or them Hebrews.

Go do that now.

Before you go note that your words below clearly show that Ishmael is NOT in the list.

The list starts AFTER your LAST sentence.

Your position underscores your gross stupidity and DISHONESTY.

YOUR WORDS ERIC---"Let's see, why don't we start with the descendants of Ishmael. Ask BMZ, Alex and MUQ about the descendants of Ishmael.

And don't forget about the descendants of Abraham's other sons:
Issac
Midian
Zimran
Shuah
Jokshan
Ishbak
Medan
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63567 Dec 2, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>Whoever my playmate was, at least I outgrew the game a long time ago. You, however, seem to still enjoy playing.
Confession accepted. Observation, there is no need to add the lie.

I do not play your games that fellows play.
Eric

Elk Grove Village, IL

#63568 Dec 2, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Time waster, Ishmael was NOT in any list. You can add him and anyone else to the LIST and then quote ONE passage from the Bible that calls him or them Hebrews.
Go do that now.
Before you go note that your words below clearly show that Ishmael is NOT in the list.
The list starts AFTER your LAST sentence.
Your position underscores your gross stupidity and DISHONESTY.
YOUR WORDS ERIC---"Let's see, why don't we start with the descendants of Ishmael. Ask BMZ, Alex and MUQ about the descendants of Ishmael.
And don't forget about the descendants of Abraham's other sons:
Issac
Midian
Zimran
Shuah
Jokshan
Ishbak
Medan
That's fine. Split hairs. I'm ready for the descendants of Ishmael. In fact I said descendants of all of Abraham's sons if you note.

But it doesn't matter. May source dates back further than that but includes the sons of Abraham and Isaac.

So, Hugh, anytime you are ready let us know. As they said in the Paperchase, fill this room with your knowledge.
Eric

Elk Grove Village, IL

#63569 Dec 2, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Confession accepted. Observation, there is no need to add the lie.
I do not play your games that fellows play.
Hugh, are you telling us that you didn't play doctor with the girl next door. Come on. You can confide in us.

As to playing games, you have probably posted at least 20 messages since you said you would give us your logical proof. And, we are still waiting.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#63570 Dec 2, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
The plagues afflicted the Egyptians, the sea was crossed and yet those who saw all these things were not convinced.
So there is nothing new with your position.
Too bad those things never happened.

So, I'll settle for LOL'ing at you

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#63571 Dec 2, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
What are you talking about?
Is it first in terms of preeminence? If so, I agree.
If it is Eric's "toddler's" game then I am sorry to say that I shall not be first, second or any other number.
Spoken like someone who has nothing to show.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63572 Dec 2, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>That's fine. Split hairs. I'm ready for the descendants of Ishmael. In fact I said descendants of all of Abraham's sons if you note.
But it doesn't matter. May source dates back further than that but includes the sons of Abraham and Isaac.
So, Hugh, anytime you are ready let us know. As they said in the Paperchase, fill this room with your knowledge.
Eric---That's fine. Split hairs.

HughBe--- I am happy that someone has explained to you the meaning of the word LIST or that you have finally understood what I have been saying.

In terms of your "split hairs" comment it is just another one of your typically FOOLISH comments.

The records show that I have repeated myself in this manner, you(Eric) can add him and anyone else to the LIST and then quote ONE passage from the Bible that calls him or them Hebrews.

In the world of the sane I am not splitting hairs.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63573 Dec 2, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
Spoken like someone who has nothing to show.
funny
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63574 Dec 2, 2013
HughBe---The plagues afflicted the Egyptians, the sea was crossed and yet those who saw all these things were not convinced.
So there is nothing new with your position.

Cult of Reason---Too bad those things never happened.
So, I'll settle for LOL'ing at you

HughBe--- I agree with you, it was all just a LIE meant to DECEIVE and to mentally enslave the Jewish people and no doubt to suck out their money.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63575 Dec 2, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>Hugh, are you telling us that you didn't play doctor with the girl next door. Come on. You can confide in us.
As to playing games, you have probably posted at least 20 messages since you said you would give us your logical proof. And, we are still waiting.
1.As a toddler, I was not allowed next door.

2. As a toddler, I did not ask the girl next door to show me her CAT.

3. Why have you switched from your Dick next door to my girl next door.

4. Tell us, how many times did you "play" doctor with little Dickie next door?
Eric

Elk Grove Village, IL

#63576 Dec 2, 2013
HughBe wrote:
HughBe---The plagues afflicted the Egyptians, the sea was crossed and yet those who saw all these things were not convinced.
So there is nothing new with your position.
Cult of Reason---Too bad those things never happened.
So, I'll settle for LOL'ing at you
HughBe--- I agree with you, it was all just a LIE meant to DECEIVE and to mentally enslave the Jewish people and no doubt to suck out their money.
Again, Hugh, there were no people referred to as Jews in 1500BCE. The term was used for at least 1300 more years.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63577 Dec 2, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>That's fine. Split hairs. I'm ready for the descendants of Ishmael. In fact I said descendants of all of Abraham's sons if you note.
But it doesn't matter. May source dates back further than that but includes the sons of Abraham and Isaac.
So, Hugh, anytime you are ready let us know. As they said in the Paperchase, fill this room with your knowledge.
Eric-- Split hairs.

HughBe--- Understand, if Ishmael is in the list of your "Hebrews" then BMZ, Alex and MUQ are also in the list of Hebrews.

Please THINK.

Your words follow, dear. "Let's see, why don't we start with the descendants of Ishmael. Ask BMZ, Alex and MUQ about the descendants of Ishmael."

Get it? I hope so but I fear that I shall die in hope.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63578 Dec 2, 2013
Eric, take the time to think. I shall see you later and Cunti.
Eric

Elk Grove Village, IL

#63579 Dec 2, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Eric-- Split hairs.
HughBe--- Understand, if Ishmael is in the list of your "Hebrews" then BMZ, Alex and MUQ are also in the list of Hebrews.
Please THINK.
Your words follow, dear. "Let's see, why don't we start with the descendants of Ishmael. Ask BMZ, Alex and MUQ about the descendants of Ishmael."
Get it? I hope so but I fear that I shall die in hope.
MUQ is an Indian convert, Alex is a Christian convert, BMZ is from Singapore and I don't think he's Semitic.

Think Hugh, think.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63580 Dec 2, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>MUQ is an Indian convert, Alex is a Christian convert, BMZ is from Singapore and I don't think he's Semitic.
Think Hugh, think.
HughBe--- Let me start with my last comment in the post that you have responded to. It said, Get it? I hope so but I fear that I shall die in hope.

I was correct in that you have not grasped the point and you are far more confused now than earlier. Now to your lessons for the day.

Eric---MUQ is an Indian convert, Alex is a Christian convert, BMZ is from Singapore and I don't think he's Semitic.

HughBe--- Lesson 1---Is Semitic a religion? NO.

Lesson 2---You called Alex a Christian convert and so was he converting from being Semitic to Christianity? NOT possible.

Lesson 3---You are the only one on this forum that does not know that Alex is a MUSLIM.

Note, it is possible that he is Semitic.

Lesson 4 is a lesson that is brought forward as you have not learnt. If Ishmael is in the list of your "Hebrews" then BMZ, Alex and MUQ are also in the list of Hebrews. WHY? They are in the midst of your list. Put it this way they are sandwiched between Ishmael and the real list.

Your words follow, dear. "Let's see, why don't we start with the descendants of Ishmael. Ask BMZ, Alex and MUQ about the descendants of Ishmael."

Can you see that Ishmael comes before Alex, BMZ and MUQ in your list?

Of course you cannot see as your unclean agenda and intelligence limitations are getting in the way.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63581 Dec 2, 2013
Eric---Again, Hugh, there were no people referred to as Jews in 1500BCE. The term was used for at least 1300 more years.

HughBe--- There is no BCE . The entire world uses BC.

Next, those who were a part of the crossing of the sea and who saw the afflictions cannot be among the deceived, Eric.

So even though you are playing with yourself with this Jew thing if you had basic understanding you would have known and understood that I was NOT calling those who crossed the sea Jews because they CANNOT be among the DECEIVED. Do you have basic sense? NO.

The word Jews would be applicable to the DECEIVED like you who did not go through the experiences in question.

In any event I have no problem calling the ancient Israelites Jews for the purposes of conversation. I have to change this approach as those at your level cannot get the spirit in which it is being used.

You do NOT even have a true concept of who a Jew is. Take that as a FACT. You believe a LIE and you promote LIE.

STUDY :

HughBe---The plagues afflicted the Egyptians, the sea was crossed and yet those who saw all these things were not convinced.
So there is nothing new with your position.

Cult of Reason---Too bad those things never happened.
So, I'll settle for LOL'ing at you

HughBe--- I agree with you, it was all just a LIE meant to DECEIVE and to mentally enslave the Jewish people and no doubt to suck out their money.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63582 Dec 2, 2013
HughBe---If Ishmael is in the list of your "Hebrews" then BMZ, Alex and MUQ are also in the list of Hebrews. WHY? They are in the midst of your list. Put it this way they are sandwiched between Ishmael and the real list.

Eric's FULL list is below. He places Ishmael in the LIST.

"Let's see, why don't we start with the descendants of Ishmael. Ask BMZ, Alex and MUQ about the descendants of Ishmael.
And don't forget about the descendants of Abraham's other sons:
Issac
Midian
Zimran
Shuah
Jokshan
Ishbak
Medan
Eric

Elk Grove Village, IL

#63583 Dec 2, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
HughBe--- Let me start with my last comment in the post that you have responded to. It said, Get it? I hope so but I fear that I shall die in hope.
I was correct in that you have not grasped the point and you are far more confused now than earlier. Now to your lessons for the day.
Eric---MUQ is an Indian convert, Alex is a Christian convert, BMZ is from Singapore and I don't think he's Semitic.
HughBe--- Lesson 1---Is Semitic a religion? NO.
Lesson 2---You called Alex a Christian convert and so was he converting from being Semitic to Christianity? NOT possible.
Lesson 3---You are the only one on this forum that does not know that Alex is a MUSLIM.
Note, it is possible that he is Semitic.
Lesson 4 is a lesson that is brought forward as you have not learnt. If Ishmael is in the list of your "Hebrews" then BMZ, Alex and MUQ are also in the list of Hebrews. WHY? They are in the midst of your list. Put it this way they are sandwiched between Ishmael and the real list.
Your words follow, dear. "Let's see, why don't we start with the descendants of Ishmael. Ask BMZ, Alex and MUQ about the descendants of Ishmael."
Can you see that Ishmael comes before Alex, BMZ and MUQ in your list?
Of course you cannot see as your unclean agenda and intelligence limitations are getting in the way.
Listen numb nuts. In order to be a Hebrew or a descendant of Ishmael, one must be Semitic. Being Semitic has nothing to do with religion. Being a Muslim is being a member of Islam, a religion.

Now YOU are the one who said "HughBe--- Understand, if Ishmael is in the list of your "Hebrews" then BMZ, Alex and MUQ are also in the list of Hebrews." AND THAT IS WRONG WRONG WRONG. They are members of Islam, a religion, and they are therefore Muslims. BUT they are NOT descendants of Ishmael. Therefore, they cannot be Hebrews.

But it is Ishmael who is the tie between Islam and Abraham. It makes Islam an Abrahamic religion.

Yes, MUQ, Alex, and BMZ are Muslims. But that doesn't make them a descendant of Ishmael. Muhammad was the one who was a descendant of Ishmael. That makes the religion he founded an Abrahamic religion.

Get it, dumb arse.

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