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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63021 Nov 19, 2013
bye
Eric

Batavia, IL

#63022 Nov 19, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Focus on your lesson. Leave Jesus to me.
Absolutely not. The same rules apply to Jesus being a Jew as apply to you being a Jew. You say that you aren't a Jew because your father wasn't a Jew. Therefore, Jesus as described in the New Testament was not a Jew because his father, as set forth in the New Testament, is not a Jew.

Consistency, Hugh, consistency.

Jesus was a Jew because his mother was a Jew.

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#63023 Nov 19, 2013
I am highly impressed with Japan and Germany. Kudos.

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#63024 Nov 19, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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As long as the women remain NORMAL I am comfortable with such a scenario.
But, Monny, you like boys, don't you?

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#63025 Nov 19, 2013
Good night.

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#63026 Nov 19, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>Absolutely not. The same rules apply to Jesus being a Jew as apply to you being a Jew. You say that you aren't a Jew because your father wasn't a Jew. Therefore, Jesus as described in the New Testament was not a Jew because his father, as set forth in the New Testament, is not a Jew.
Consistency, Hugh, consistency.
Jesus was a Jew because his mother was a Jew.
More details regarding this perspective...

Genealogy
He [Jesus] was not descended from the House of David. According to Jewish law, tribal identification comes from the father's side, being Jewish, from the mother's side. According to Matthew 1, Joseph was descended from David (Although there are many contradictions between his genealogy there and that listed in Luke, however according to the same text, Joseph did not have sexual relations with Mary, therefore Jesus was not related to Joseph, and not a descendant of King David.

Three answers to this problem are given in classic Christian sources:

The genealogy is that of Mary - This is inadequate, since if he is claimed to be the Jewish messiah, and according to Jewish tradition he must be descended on his father's side, Mary's genealogy is irrelevant.
He was adopted by Joseph -According to Jewish law, adoption does not change the status of the child. If an Israelite is adopted by a Cohen,(A descendant of Aaron the High Priest), the child does not become a Cohen, likewise if a descendant of David, adopts someone who is not, he does not become of the tribe of Judah and a descendant of David.
It doesn't matter, he was a spiritual inheritor of King David - If it doesn't matter, why do Christian scriptures spend time establishing his genealogical pedigree? And if he is claimed to be the Jewish messiah, then according to Jewish tradition it does matter!

http://ohr.edu/ask/ask00j.htm#Q1.A2
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63027 Nov 19, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>Absolutely not. The same rules apply to Jesus being a Jew as apply to you being a Jew. You say that you aren't a Jew because your father wasn't a Jew. Therefore, Jesus as described in the New Testament was not a Jew because his father, as set forth in the New Testament, is not a Jew.
Consistency, Hugh, consistency.
Jesus was a Jew because his mother was a Jew.
As usual you have been successful in deceiving your own self. Your sideshow is just that. The lesson that I instructed you in stands.

Given that you feel that you have a point in relation to my Jesus then cleave to your point. I am comfortable with my Jesus.

Also you need to realize your folly i.e. you have introduced Jesus into an equation that prior to His introduction the equation stretched your mental capacity to its maximum and yet you could not understand. So why add more to jackass back?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63028 Nov 19, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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But, Monny, you like boys, don't you?
Hugh---As long as the women remain NORMAL I am comfortable with such a scenario.

Joel---But, Monny, you like boys, don't you?

Hugh--- Yes, but not sexually.

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#63029 Nov 19, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Joel---But, Monny, you like boys, don't you?

Hugh--- Yes, but not sexually.
Sexually.

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#63030 Nov 19, 2013
Surprisingly, nondualism finds a prominent place in the NT.

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#63031 Nov 19, 2013
The nondualism in the NT is a union in consciousness of the subject with the object on the plane of the vital consciousness and it goes no further since Jesus' reach extended merely to the vital and not to the planes exceeding the vital. Nevertheless, the fact that the highest teaching of nondualism finds mention in the NT indicates that its teachings/practices are a marked improvement over crude dualistic teachings that automatically lead to a violation in the laws of causation giving rise thereby to the absurdities called creationism and the extra-cosmic God before whom devotees perpetually cower in fear and submission.

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#63032 Nov 19, 2013
Science advocates a physical nondualism, while mysticism promotes a nondualism involving a union of energy, matter and consciousness - the broadest possible unification.

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#63033 Nov 19, 2013
Unity in variety is the natural law.

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#63034 Nov 19, 2013
Unification is the fundamental theme in existence as indicated by the theories of science and by the experiences of the mystic.
Eric

Batavia, IL

#63035 Nov 19, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
As usual you have been successful in deceiving your own self. Your sideshow is just that. The lesson that I instructed you in stands.
Given that you feel that you have a point in relation to my Jesus then cleave to your point. I am comfortable with my Jesus.
Also you need to realize your folly i.e. you have introduced Jesus into an equation that prior to His introduction the equation stretched your mental capacity to its maximum and yet you could not understand. So why add more to jackass back?
Don't go away mad Hugh. Just go away. Oh, don't let the door hit you in the backassward as you leave.
Eric

Batavia, IL

#63036 Nov 19, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
More details regarding this perspective...
Genealogy
He [Jesus] was not descended from the House of David. According to Jewish law, tribal identification comes from the father's side, being Jewish, from the mother's side. According to Matthew 1, Joseph was descended from David (Although there are many contradictions between his genealogy there and that listed in Luke, however according to the same text, Joseph did not have sexual relations with Mary, therefore Jesus was not related to Joseph, and not a descendant of King David.
Three answers to this problem are given in classic Christian sources:
The genealogy is that of Mary - This is inadequate, since if he is claimed to be the Jewish messiah, and according to Jewish tradition he must be descended on his father's side, Mary's genealogy is irrelevant.
He was adopted by Joseph -According to Jewish law, adoption does not change the status of the child. If an Israelite is adopted by a Cohen,(A descendant of Aaron the High Priest), the child does not become a Cohen, likewise if a descendant of David, adopts someone who is not, he does not become of the tribe of Judah and a descendant of David.
It doesn't matter, he was a spiritual inheritor of King David - If it doesn't matter, why do Christian scriptures spend time establishing his genealogical pedigree? And if he is claimed to be the Jewish messiah, then according to Jewish tradition it does matter!
http://ohr.edu/ask/ask00j.htm#Q1.A2
Hey, you're preaching to the choir. I understand well. It's a point that Jews often espouse when explaining why Jesus is not the Messiah. Hugh will never accept the inconsistency in his positions.

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#63037 Nov 19, 2013
Unification indicates not only a fundamental unity of all existence but it also paves the way for the most moral behavior and opens up an understanding that sees the incarnation of typal principles, transmutation of one type into another, emergence, evolution, causation, conservation, eternal cycles of manifestation and dissolution and psychic phenomena as natural outcomes. Unification does away with the fear and illogic of the extra-cosmic God, creation from nothing, wars, hatred, the need for diabolic blood sacrifices, racism and petty tribalism.

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#63038 Nov 19, 2013
Where the fundamental theme of unification is concerned, scientists are mystics are in agreement.

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#63039 Nov 19, 2013
typo

scientists AND mystics are in agreement.
nosy

Bergisch Gladbach, Germany

#63040 Nov 19, 2013
As much as I know Rome was not the first to make christianity an "official" religion. Aksum did this about 50 years earlier.
And I think some other orthodox-churches were even earlier than Aksum...

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