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“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#62991 Nov 19, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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HughBe--- I did nothing. Here is how it went. My Jewish grandfather saw my sexy non-Jewish grandmother and knew her. As a result my mother was born. Now had you the intelligence to call my mother Jewish I would have accepted it because she is the seed of a MAN who is a Jew.
As for me, I am no Jew as my father was not one.
I am the son of a Jewish woman but my father was not Jewish and so I am NOT Jewish. Compare my words to the example in the Tanach.
I know that you neither believe Moses nor God but I shall still quote the Torah.
"Now the SON of an Israelite MOTHER and an Egyptian FATHER went out AMONG the Israelites, and a fight broke out in the camp between HIM and AN Israelite." Leviticus 24:10
Clear his MOTHER did NOT make him an Israelite. My mother cannot make me a Jew.
Finally, your father is a Jew and so both you and your brother are Jews and nothing can change that, not even your love of LIES and stupidity. Your brother could worship an ANT, he shall always be a Jew.
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There, You said it. Your moms' mom was not Jewish.

Therefore most Jewish denominations would not accept you as Jewish.

Now, lets pretend for the moment that you were born Jewish. I.E. Your Mom was Jewish because her mom was Jewish. And then you decided that the Christian path was the right path for you.

You would have the choice at that point to call yourself what ever you want. Just like you have the choice now. However, freedom to choose a label does not translate into the right of others to accept that label. So once you became Christian, even if you called yourself a Jew, virtually no other Jew would accept you as a Jew. The identities are mutually exclusive. You, as the outside would not have the right to redefine what the rest of the group accepts as membership criteria. Case closed on that one.

Regarding your quotation of Torah - it has been firmly established on the forum (and in real life) that us Jews are not fundamentalists i.e. we interpret and apply law rather than following your citations. Yes, we all know Judaism was originally patrilineal, and then it changed somewhere down the road - in Greek or Roman times.

However, we are now in modern times, and this is how Jews apply the law now. You have no standing to be aggrieved because you are not a member of our group. Nor are we preventing you from joining our group, provided you follow out entry process.

Since: May 13

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#62992 Nov 19, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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What nonsense is that?

"scale of relativity"

What are you measuring?

I just said that there are different modes of expression. Do you know what the word "different" means?

What is the goal of Bhuddism? What is the goal of Christianity? What is the goal of Judaism? They are totally different goals. You can not even compare them.

A real Bhuddist would NEVER waste their time making the type of judgements you make.
ha ha, you didn't get it?

A scale of relativity of the different religious worldviews would mean that the religious scriptures of the world are evaluated on the basis of textual content, deeds of the founding prophets, universality of ethics and scientific information.

In this exercise in comparing the teachings/practices of the various world religions, obviously, Judaism ranks at the bottom given the evils preached by the Hebrew Bible as seen in the wrathful, jealous, murderous, abusive and vindictive nature of its G-d; the barbarism of its patriarchs; its perverse blood sacrifices; its inhuman punishments to apostates, homosexuals, slaves and disobedient sons; its command to indulge in cannibalism; the genocides of rival tribes; its narrow tribal nature; its preaching of intolerance/hatred/violence/sc orn directed at other faiths; its irrationality in teaching creation from nothing and many other negative instances.

All this savagery and illogic and more pushes Judaism to the bottom of the heap of world religions.

Since: Nov 13

Denver, CO

#62993 Nov 19, 2013
here in TheOnly Story, TheG-D of Only TheTorah gives. in this whole world that only says, they are not here in IT only again.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#62994 Nov 19, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
<quoted text>
ha ha, you didn't get it?
A scale of relativity of the different religious worldviews would mean that the religious scriptures of the world are evaluated on the basis of textual content, deeds of the founding prophets, universality of ethics and scientific information.
But I did get it. Who died and made you the Ayatollah of comparative religious indices?

I surely did not. And you lack the scholarly background or the objectivity to even attempt this endeavor if someone did appoint you.

You cant compare any of these systems with Vedanta. Its goals are crazily different than Western religious goals. Any serious "student" of Bhuddism would laugh at you (with equanimity, ideally).

It was never the goal of the Torah to offer a serious theology, universal ethics (its a tribal covenant for Gods sake!), or a basis for science. And yet you are analyzing its content in those terms.

N/A
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#62995 Nov 19, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
Then Jesus was not Jewish because his father was not Jewish.
Son, Jesus is not your business. WE understand and know that Jesus based on BIOLOGY was Jewish. WE also know and understand that He was divine.

Leave this matter and get back to the lessons taught and STUDY them.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#62996 Nov 19, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
There, You said it. Your moms' mom was not Jewish.
Therefore most Jewish denominations would not accept you as Jewish.
Now, lets pretend for the moment that you were born Jewish. I.E. Your Mom was Jewish because her mom was Jewish. And then you decided that the Christian path was the right path for you.
You would have the choice at that point to call yourself what ever you want. Just like you have the choice now. However, freedom to choose a label does not translate into the right of others to accept that label. So once you became Christian, even if you called yourself a Jew, virtually no other Jew would accept you as a Jew. The identities are mutually exclusive. You, as the outside would not have the right to redefine what the rest of the group accepts as membership criteria. Case closed on that one.
Regarding your quotation of Torah - it has been firmly established on the forum (and in real life) that us Jews are not fundamentalists i.e. we interpret and apply law rather than following your citations. Yes, we all know Judaism was originally patrilineal, and then it changed somewhere down the road - in Greek or Roman times.
However, we are now in modern times, and this is how Jews apply the law now. You have no standing to be aggrieved because you are not a member of our group. Nor are we preventing you from joining our group, provided you follow out entry process.
Frijoles---Therefore most Jewish denominations would not accept you as Jewish.

HughBe--- So what? I don't accept myself as Jewish and you believe that I would be concerned if others hold that same position.

Get back to the lessons that were delivered by me.

Since: May 13

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#62997 Nov 19, 2013
Fool. LOL.

Since: May 13

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#62998 Nov 19, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>

But I did get it. Who died and made you the Ayatollah of comparative religious indices?

I surely did not. And you lack the scholarly background or the objectivity to even attempt this endeavor if someone did appoint you.

You cant compare any of these systems with Vedanta. Its goals are crazily different than Western religious goals. Any serious "student" of Bhuddism would laugh at you (with equanimity, ideally).

It was never the goal of the Torah to offer a serious theology, universal ethics (its a tribal covenant for Gods sake!), or a basis for science. And yet you are analyzing its content in those terms.

N/A
Fool. LOL.

End of debate.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#62999 Nov 19, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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As usual you are confusing civil law with religious law. Where we live, they are separate systems with separate jurisdictions. I know this must blow your mind.
Occasionally you can surprise me with something intelligent.

The confusion is all yours. Please reread my post and address the issues.

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However, before the question I want you to be aware that it does not replace the other SCIENTIFIC based questions.

Suppose you have children and all are underage and they decided to convert to Christianity could YOU disown them and say they are no longer your children?

Would you be free of your LEGAL responsibilities to care and protect them?

Would they have any legal claims to your parents estate if they died intestate? If not why not?

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#63000 Nov 19, 2013
"I have an invisible, incorporeal dragon in my garage."

- Carl Sagan

Since: May 13

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#63001 Nov 19, 2013
Does a wife's use of a vibrator amount to infidelity?

(smiles)

Since: May 13

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#63002 Nov 19, 2013
According to the Canadian psychiatrist Norman Doidge, habitual viewing of porn is making men impotent when it comes to actual vaginal sex with a female. He says addiction to porn has and is rewiring the brains of tens of millions of porn addicts.

Is it so?

I don't know the answer.

Maybe, Hugh would know....

Since: May 13

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#63003 Nov 19, 2013
DE-POPULATION OF JAPAN AS YOUNG PEOPLE SHUN SEX:

Young Japanese men and women aren't having sex. The "celibacy syndrome" portends a demographic catastrophe. Japan's declining population of 126 million is projected to plunge a further one-third by 2060.

A 2011 survey found that 61% of unmarried men and 49% of women aged 18-34 were not in any kind of romantic relationship... a third of people under 30 had never dated at all...Although there has long been a pragmatic separation of love and sex in Japan - a country mostly free of religious morals - sex fares no better.... The Japan Family Planning Association (JFPA) found that 45% of women aged 16-24 "were not interested in or despised sexual contact". More than a quarter of men felt the same way."

COMMENT: Had all men or had most men been homosexual, the human race would have become extinct long ago.

Since: May 13

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#63004 Nov 19, 2013
Had all men or had most men been homosexual, the human race would have become extinct long ago.

Since: May 13

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#63006 Nov 19, 2013
When men had to get married to have sex, women were courted and loved. Later, they were honored for their contributions as wife and mother. These days, with the free availability of sex, women are treated as sex objects to be used and discarded like used condoms.

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#63007 Nov 19, 2013
Men need to look for women who are gentle, chaste and accommodating, who have skills, character, personality and make good mothers.

Since: May 13

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#63008 Nov 19, 2013
Sexual attraction is a terrible basis for a marriage. It inevitably fades.

Since: May 13

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#63009 Nov 19, 2013
"I went to the woods because I wished to live deliberately, to front only the essential facts of life, and see if I could not learn what it had to teach, and not, when I came to die, discover that I had not lived."

- Henry David Thoreau, 1854
Eric

Lombard, IL

#63010 Nov 19, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Son, Jesus is not your business. WE understand and know that Jesus based on BIOLOGY was Jewish. WE also know and understand that He was divine.
Leave this matter and get back to the lessons taught and STUDY them.
Now you are contradicting yourself. You said that you are not Jewish, although you have Jewish ancestors and relatives, because your father was not Jewish. Well, according to the New Testament, Jesus' father was not Jewish either. Therefore, Jesus cannot be Jewish. There is no difference between you and the Jesus of the New Testament. Your father was not Jewish. Jesus' father as set forth in the New Testament was not Jewish.

Consistency, Hugh, consistency.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63011 Nov 19, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
Sexual attraction is a terrible basis for a marriage. It inevitably fades.
Only when the dick fades or is of no value.

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