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Voluntarist

United States

#61949 Nov 4, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
nothing wrong with the word spade.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_call_a_spade_...
Its ultimate source is Plutarch's Apophthegmata Laconica (178B) which has &#964;&#951;&#957; &#963;&#954;&#945; &#966;&#951;&#957; &#963;&#954;&#945; &#966;&#951;&#957; &#955;&#949;&#947; &#959;&#957;&#964; &#945;&#962; (ten skafen skafen legontas). &#963;&#954;&#945; &#966;&#951; (skafe) means "basin, trough", but Erasmus mis-translated it (as if from &#963;&#960;&#940; &#952;&#951; spáthe) as ligo "shovel" in his Apophthegmatum opus. Lucian De Hist. Conscr.(41) has &#964;&#945; &#963;&#965;&#954; &#945; &#963;&#965;&#954; &#945;, &#964;&#951;&#957; &#963;&#954;&#945; &#966;&#951;&#957; &#948;&#949; &#963;&#954;&#945; &#966;&#951;&#957; &#959;&#957;&#959; &#956;&#945;&#963; &#969;&#957; (ta suka suka, ten skafen de skafen onomason) "calling a fig a fig, and a trough a trough".
The phrase was introduced to English in 1542 in Nicolas Udall's translation of Erasmus, Apophthegmes, that is to saie, prompte saiynges. First gathered by Erasmus:
Philippus aunswered, that the Macedonians wer feloes of no fyne witte in their termes but altogether grosse, clubbyshe, and rusticall, as they whiche had not the witte to calle a spade by any other name then a spade.
It is evident that the word spade refers to the instrument used to move earth, a very common tool. The same word was used in England, Denmark, and in the Netherlands, Erasmus' country of origin.
The Oxford English Dictionary records a more forceful variant, "to call a spade a bloody shovel", attested since 1919.
The phrase predates the use of the word "spade" as an ethnic slur against African Americans, which was not recorded until 1928; however, in contemporary U.S. society, the idiom is often avoided due to potential confusion with the slur[3] and/or confusion with playing card references such as "black as the ace of spades".
Nothing wrong with an rebel flag either.

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#61950 Nov 4, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Nothing wrong with an rebel flag either.
Doofus - origins are everything

If you are going to try to be logical, at least be logical

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#61951 Nov 4, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
Nothing wrong with an rebel flag either.
What part of
"however, in contemporary U.S. society, the idiom is often avoided due to potential confusion with the slur[3] and/or confusion with playing card references such as "black as the ace of spades"." ...did you fail to understand?

was it the "potential" qualifier or the poker reference?

If the cliche was ACTUALLY racist the wording would of been "is often avoided due to its use as a racial slur"

Rebel flag, on the other hand.....in every context other than 1865...
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#61952 Nov 4, 2013
HughBe---The concept of non-observant Jew is actually very INSULTING. It suggests that a Jew cannot choose to belong to other RELIGIONS outside of Judaism.

Frijoles---The only PEOPLE that term seems to insult is you. And you are not Jewish, by your own identification. SO I fail to see what your issue is.

HughBe--- I am not PEOPLE. Also, once again as is your manner you speak on behalf of ALL Jews. Who authorized you to do so? Is it God or is it at a meeting of ALL Jews?

Do you speak for Jews who are Christians?

Do you speak for Jews who are Muslims?

Do you speak for Jews who have rejected religion because they are fed up with LYING creatures like you?

Frijoles---Everyone else seems to be confortable with boundaries, as complex as they are.

HughBe--- My boy, you and your masters cannot write boundaries for intelligent people. YOU plural lack capacity.

Frijoles--- Actually, the boundaries are not that complex if you would finally admit what everyone else is saying, that Jewishness is an ethno-religious concept.

HughBe--- Am I a LIAR and or a FOOL like YOU and all else who say such a thing? NO.

I know that it takes a high level of repetition before you begin to grasp a NEW and or TRUTHFUL FACT. So here I go again.

1.It is a historical FACT that there is no group of persons on earth whose ancient ancestors did not have some RELIGIOUS beliefs. So if you want to attribute religiosity to Jews who have rejected the concept of god in their lifetime or for more than one generations go ahead but YOU must also do the SAME for every GROUP on earth.

I fear that this TRUTH will go over your head. Go back and reread it.

2. For argument sake ONLY, I am wrong in point 1. YOU identify one ancient group of persons who did not believe in a god or gods 4000 years ago. Do the same for 3000 years etc and come down to even 70 years ago.

Are the Egyptians ethno-religious? If not explain.

Getting it? Of course NOT. Here is help. Every RACE could be called ethno-religious based on HISTORY. However, the RELIGION of every RACE is NOT Judaism.

Why do you and your masters DISRESPECT the religions of everybody else in the world?

How? YOU do so by NOT wanting to acknowledge that all other peoples of the world have ancient religious beliefs and gods. If this is so the ethno-religious is not a unique concept. It really does not take more than the lower level of average intelligence to get the idea.

3. Since you want to talk about Jews a RACE when my focus is on RELIGION then I shall make this comment. Based on FACTS of history, Jews are ethno-religious just like Hindus, British (white and Christian), Jamaican, Native American Indians etc.

Reread my words that YOU responded to and NOTE the RELIGIOUS focus. Here they are for you. "The concept of non-observant Jew is actually very INSULTING. It suggests that a Jew cannot choose to belong to other RELIGIONS outside of Judaism"



Frijoles---For those people of Jewish ethnicity, who no longer practice Judaism, whether they are practicing Christians or atheists, and choose not to identify with the ethnicity, than simply put, they are no longer Jews, except perhaps to the bean counters (assuming their Moms were Jewish).

HughBe--- EVIL LYING serpent. I believe that this EVIL against the Jewish people should be taken to the International Criminal Court for CRIMES against humanity. YOU and your masters are guilty of RELIGIOUS persecution of Jews and CRUEL acts against the Jewish people.

EVERYBODY in the world knows that Jews are a RACE. The emphasis on genealogy as is evidenced in the Tanakh speaks to RACE. Let me explain, it tells who the father, the grand-father etc are and this can NEVER be changed.

In my opinion, someone would have to have the mind of a CRIMINAL for him to seek to strip the Jewish people of their identity. Neither you nor your masters can REVERSE the GENEALOGICAL and BIOLOGY facts of HISTORY.

You are CORRUPT and EVIL, in my opinion.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#61953 Nov 4, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
geez- someone needs a lithium fix today
rabbee: lithium does not, keep people from lying. it only changes their mood, when they lie. it just returns any one, to the right calcium flow. unless you give them too much, then it acts like cheap speed. in fact i have a few kilos, of lithium nitrate, lithium perchlorate, lithium chloride, lithium iodide, lithium bromide, and lithium carbonate, and other various lithium salts and some metallic lithium also.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#61954 Nov 4, 2013
Post 61924 page 2792

HughBe---Judaism seeks to engraft the SECULAR Jews who have rejected all gods. This is a point that I have debated many times and have sought to expose the FOLLY and DECEPTION of the doctrine.

Frijoles---So after all this homophobia, we FINALLY found a population of human beings that you feel moved to stand up for? "SECULAR Jews who have rejected all gods?" Oh, the indignity!

HughBe--- Go play with your husband and tell him that you love him.

Frijoles---But lets call a spade a spade.

HughBe--- Your RACISM is noted. However, I am not an African American. That aside, by now YOU should have learnt that in my most depraved moment I am SUPERIOR to you in CHARACTER even when you are at your very BEST.

You are clearly not my match intellectually and otherwise including the tiny joke between your legs.

Frijoles---The only reason you are pursuing this point is that you (as you ADMITTED in the next few lines) believe only your notion of the bible is correct and that us JEWS are not eligible for our own spiritual inheritance.

HughBe--- You are TRULY a worthless LYING piece of TRASH. My 2 posts about secular Jews are below and there is no such thing in them. Again you have PROVEN the EVILS of Judaism. It is EVIL.

YOU are a PSYCHOTIC CRIMINAL.
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Post 61846 page 2788

JOEL THUMBS UP --Because it's so sensational.
Secular and liberal Jews have nothing to do with such nonsense or with all the mumbo jumbo scriptural teachings and mindless practices.

HughBe---I am FULLY aware of what you have said and I have NEVER grouped them with Judahites. They are NORMAL people going about their everyday business seeking to enjoy this life.

Judaism seeks to engraft the SECULAR Jews who have rejected all gods. This is a point that I have debated many times and have sought to expose the FOLLY and DECEPTION of the doctrine.

Understand this, there is NOT one race on this earth who has ancestors that have not worshipped some god. Ancestors include ancient or modern ones.

The race of people called Jews is no exception. The point that I am making is that when a person rejects RELIGION s/he cannot be RELIGIOUS and this is for anybody.

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Post 61918 page 2791

HughBe---Judaism seeks to engraft the SECULAR Jews who have rejected all gods. This is a point that I have debated many times and have sought to expose the FOLLY and DECEPTION of the doctrine.

Frijoles-------But secularism is not a religion, so unless you can posit a replacement religion, then Judaism is their religion, when they identify as so. The ones that reject Judaism are a different story. They are ethnically Jewish only.

HughBe--- Your "secularism is not a religion" shows that you have learnt something. I have made that point many times and that is a matter of historical fact.

Frijoles---The issue as I see it, is that you do not let them speak for themselves. Instead you impose your own doctrine on them, which has an evangelical Christian bent. That doesnt work and frankly, is insulting.

HughBe--- Incorrect, they have SPOKEN for themselves and I have ACCEPTED it as you very well know. I accept that Jews who reject God or gods are NOT religious but they REMAIN Jews.

This positions has been restated countless times. So I respect them and their human RIGHTS to believe or not to believe.

Note, I am not the author of the phrase NON-OBSERVANT JEW meaning one who does not observed Judaism. Do you know who did? The concept of non-observant Jew is actually very INSULTING. It suggests that a Jew cannot choose to belong to other religions outside of Judaism. The truth is Judaism is outside of the TRUE religion that was delivered by Moses and the prophets.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#61955 Nov 4, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Thats funny, because it WAS what you said.
So how do you propose to "treat" those "sick" people you call homosexuals?
In the US there have been "clinics" to "treat" homosexuality. Several states have declared these "clinics" and outlawed them. And, more significantly, one of the more vocal proponents of this therapy just recently APOLOGIZED for the entire enterprise.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/20/us/exodus-inter...
(CNN)-- After 37 years, Exodus International, an organization whose mission was to "help" gay Christians become straight, is shutting down. But not before issuing an apology.
<quoted text>
Nastiness, you have been exposed once again. I shall not be wasting anymore time with you.

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#61956 Nov 4, 2013
chuckle
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#61957 Nov 4, 2013
HughBe wrote:
HughBe---The concept of non-observant Jew is actually very INSULTING. It suggests that a Jew cannot choose to belong to other RELIGIONS outside of Judaism.

EVERYBODY in the world knows that Jews are a RACE. The emphasis on genealogy as is evidenced in the Tanakh speaks to RACE. Let me explain, it tells who the father, the grand-father etc are and this can NEVER be changed.
In my opinion, someone would have to have the mind of a CRIMINAL for him to seek to strip the Jewish people of their identity. Neither you nor your masters can REVERSE the GENEALOGICAL and BIOLOGY facts of HISTORY.
You are CORRUPT and EVIL, in my opinion.
rabbee: yes the alleged as jews, have worshiped in other religions. which according to The-Written Torah, and history seemed to make G-D really angry at them.

and how can you deem, the multitude that represented every known race and nation at the time a single race? so it is not about a race or religion, it is about The G-D you are actually worshiping religiously.

but i for one, do not want G-D that angry at me any more. since the asburn, makes my behind really really sore.

and if it was that bad, due to the woman deceiving me religiously. how much worse could it get, if i allow any of you to religiously deceive me?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#61959 Nov 4, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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Thank you.
I only need love. Nothing else.
With all the love that all you guys keep showering on me, I am sure to recover soon.
I am feeling better.
Just returned from a great stand-alone restaurant run by a Michelin star chef-in-the-making.
It is good to know that you are feeling better. However, if you have no objection I would like to know what has been ailing you.

I understand that it is not everything that one can share publicly and so if it is not shared it is ok.

Get fully well soon.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#61960 Nov 4, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
HUGH,
How do you reconcile these three - the teachings of the Tanach, the teachings of the NT and the discoveries of science?
Be specific.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#61961 Nov 4, 2013
yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>
rabbee: yes the alleged as jews, have worshiped in other religions. which according to The-Written Torah, and history seemed to make G-D really angry at them.
and how can you deem, the multitude that represented every known race and nation at the time a single race? so it is not about a race or religion, it is about The G-D you are actually worshiping religiously.
but i for one, do not want G-D that angry at me any more. since the asburn, makes my behind really really sore.
and if it was that bad, due to the woman deceiving me religiously. how much worse could it get, if i allow any of you to religiously deceive me?
Adam--and how can you deem, the multitude that represented every known race and nation at the time a single race?

HughBe--- I have not done that. Each group of people have had their own religion. Go back to the time of Moses and tell me that the various peoples did not have their own gods. After which trace it over the centuries.

As cultured as the Greeks were they too had their Greek gods. I have even been called a Greek god in my youth :D
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#61962 Nov 4, 2013
Back in about an hour but will not be here for long.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#61963 Nov 4, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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If there is no duty to protect what makes you think that there is a duty to provide?
That is just 1 decision, the result is that there is no duty of protection.
I think that you missed part of my post. I repeat...
Nice quoting out of context...
The duty to provide public services is owed to the public at large, and, absent a special relationship between the police and an individual, no specific legal duty exists.
The decision is saying that while the police DO have a duty to protect the public, they cannot be acountable in any individual case due to the particular circumstances that may exist, including other duties.
In other words, the police DO have a duty to protect, but that duty is to the public in general, not to any one specific individual and any particular time. They cannot be held liable for a failure to protect.

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#61964 Nov 4, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Easter eggs tend to be cheap quality chocolate (at least the ones I have been offered) and I have my standards - so no, I dont like Easter Eggs. The only thing worse than Easter egg chocolate IMO is Hannukah gelt.
Cadbury Cream Eggs...

And that Hannukah gelt is sometimes the only chocolate that I can find that is dairy free for my son.

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#61965 Nov 4, 2013
Liam R wrote:
<quoted text>
Cadbury Cream Eggs...
And that Hannukah gelt is sometimes the only chocolate that I can find that is dairy free for my son.
Check out passover chocolate

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#61966 Nov 4, 2013
HughBe wrote:
HughBe---The concept of non-observant Jew is actually very INSULTING. It suggests that a Jew cannot choose to belong to other RELIGIONS outside of Judaism.
Frijoles---The only PEOPLE that term seems to insult is you. And you are not Jewish, by your own identification. SO I fail to see what your issue is.
HughBe--- I am not PEOPLE. Also, once again as is your manner you speak on behalf of ALL Jews. Who authorized you to do so? Is it God or is it at a meeting of ALL Jews?
Do you speak for Jews who are Christians?
Do you speak for Jews who are Muslims?
Do you speak for Jews who have rejected religion because they are fed up with LYING creatures like you?
I have a larger constituency than you

nah nah nah nah nah

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#61967 Nov 4, 2013
HughBe wrote:
3. Since you want to talk about Jews a RACE when my focus is on RELIGION then I shall make this comment. Based on FACTS of history, Jews are ethno-religious just like Hindus, British (white and Christian), Jamaican, Native American Indians etc.
Reread my words that YOU responded to and NOTE the RELIGIOUS focus. Here they are for you. "The concept of non-observant Jew is actually very INSULTING. It suggests that a Jew cannot choose to belong to other RELIGIONS outside of Judaism"
Frijoles---For those people of Jewish ethnicity, who no longer practice Judaism, whether they are practicing Christians or atheists, and choose not to identify with the ethnicity, than simply put, they are no longer Jews, except perhaps to the bean counters (assuming their Moms were Jewish).
HughBe--- EVIL LYING serpent. I believe that this EVIL against the Jewish people should be taken to the International Criminal Court for CRIMES against humanity. YOU and your masters are guilty of RELIGIOUS persecution of Jews and CRUEL acts against the Jewish people.
EVERYBODY in the world knows that Jews are a RACE. The emphasis on genealogy as is evidenced in the Tanakh speaks to RACE. Let me explain, it tells who the father, the grand-father etc are and this can NEVER be changed.
In my opinion, someone would have to have the mind of a CRIMINAL for him to seek to strip the Jewish people of their identity. Neither you nor your masters can REVERSE the GENEALOGICAL and BIOLOGY facts of HISTORY.
You are CORRUPT and EVIL, in my opinion.
Thats amusing because everyone ELSE in this world, Hughbe excluded, understand the Jewish people as an ethno-religious group

Remember this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnoreligious_g...
"....An ethnoreligious group (or ethno-religious group) is an ethnic group of people whose members are also unified by a common religious background. Ethnoreligious communities define their ethnic identity neither exclusively by ancestral heritage nor simply by religious affiliation, but often through a combination of both[citation needed](a long shared history; a cultural tradition of its own; either a common geographical origin, or descent from a small number of common ancestors; a common language, not necessarily peculiar to the group; a common literature peculiar to the group; a common religion different from that of neighbouring groups; being a minority or being an oppressed or a dominant group within a larger community).[citation needed]

Examples of ethnic groups defined by ancestral religions are the Jews, the Druze of the Levant, the Copts of Egypt, the Yazidi of northern Iraq, the Zoroastrians of Iran and India, and the Serer of Senegal, the Gambia, and Mauritania.[1]...

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I suspect you will never give on this issue, as it conflicts with you agenda, and your agenda is your reason for living.

“No Allah: know peace”

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A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#61968 Nov 4, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Check out passover chocolate
This time of year? Where????
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#61969 Nov 4, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Thats amusing because everyone ELSE in this world, Hughbe excluded, understand the Jewish people as an ethno-religious group
Remember this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnoreligious_g...
"....An ethnoreligious group (or ethno-religious group) is an ethnic group of people whose members are also unified by a common religious background. Ethnoreligious communities define their ethnic identity neither exclusively by ancestral heritage nor simply by religious affiliation, but often through a combination of both[citation needed](a long shared history; a cultural tradition of its own; either a common geographical origin, or descent from a small number of common ancestors; a common language, not necessarily peculiar to the group; a common literature peculiar to the group; a common religion different from that of neighbouring groups; being a minority or being an oppressed or a dominant group within a larger community).[citation needed]
Examples of ethnic groups defined by ancestral religions are the Jews, the Druze of the Levant, the Copts of Egypt, the Yazidi of northern Iraq, the Zoroastrians of Iran and India, and the Serer of Senegal, the Gambia, and Mauritania.[1]...
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I suspect you will never give on this issue, as it conflicts with you agenda, and your agenda is your reason for living.
All peoples are ethno-religious. I know that you plural are uncomfortable with this fact because it takes away from your sense of importance.

Tell me which nation or race has not had a religious system. Start with the time of Moses to now.

Do you know the irony of it all? The Jewish people are perhaps the most SECULAR of all peoples today.

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