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Voluntarist

United States

#61165 Oct 24, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Don't kid yourself based on your personal interpretation of the constitution. Even the founding fathers couldn't agree on the limits of the federal government.
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So you concede that they are obstructionists. Good.
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Even those deemed "essential" employees were not paid until the shutdown was over.
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The government has no problem getting financing. Are you delusional?
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Didn't you just say that the Tea Party is a sub-party of the Republican party? If they are going to caucus with them, then they need to own their decisions as well.
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How so? I see a president who had the baggage of two wars handed to him by the previous administration.
Did you forget the war mongering for Syria and Rand Paul and others wanting the president to check with congress first?

Are you a progressive liberal?

Congress has 18 enumerated powers, that's it.
Voluntarist

United States

#61166 Oct 24, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Wrong. Taxes were not federal because until the federal system there was no US. But you bet there was local taxes. When the colonies merged into a federation you bet they assumed that their would be taxation at that level as well. with representation.
Thats what you dont get. Unlike today, the "TP" back then did not promote anarchy. They were against the Brits, fully accepted the idea of local government, provide they had a say.
But here you are chanting for non-local federal government.

You make no sense.

Where do you see the tea party promoting anarchy?

That is just a word libs throw around to make people believe that they need government.
Voluntarist

United States

#61167 Oct 24, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Wrong. Taxes were not federal because until the federal system there was no US. But you bet there was local taxes. When the colonies merged into a federation you bet they assumed that their would be taxation at that level as well. with representation.
Thats what you dont get. Unlike today, the "TP" back then did not promote anarchy. They were against the Brits, fully accepted the idea of local government, provide they had a say.
Btw local taxes paled in comparison.

What's interesting is reading the 16th amendment wording that didn't get passed.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#61168 Oct 24, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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But here you are chanting for non-local federal government.
You make no sense.
Where do you see the tea party promoting anarchy?
That is just a word libs throw around to make people believe that they need government.
Let me ask you this. When the yankees (and others) fought the Brits, did they want independence for their respective colonies? Or did they anticipate a federation? I hope you know the answer for that.

an·ar·chy noun \&#712;a-n&#601;r-k &#275;,-&#716;när-\
: a situation of confusion and wild behavior in which the people in a country, group, organization, etc., are not controlled by rules or laws

Sound like anarchy to me. Dont forget that the House couldnt even agree on their demands during that fleeting period where they pretended it wasnt about Obamacare.

Shutting government down for reasons we still have yet to divine is anarchy.

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#61169 Oct 24, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Btw local taxes paled in comparison.
Thats a relative comparison.

Only certainty in life is death and taxes. Doesnt matter where you live.
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>What's interesting is reading the 16th amendment wording that didn't get passed.
to you.

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#61170 Oct 24, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Did you forget the war mongering for Syria and Rand Paul and others wanting the president to check with congress first?
Are you a progressive liberal?
Congress has 18 enumerated powers, that's it.
There has always been a tension between the executive branch and legislative branch regarding the trigger to the War Powers Act. Obama did not create this tension, nor was it specific to Syria issue. Rand Paul didnt create anything new here.

Your view regarding the interpretation of those powers, are, to put it mildly, not shared by most people.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#61171 Oct 24, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Just this once kindly just admit you were wrong. You might feel a little better, not having to issue these spasms. Stop sounding like a twit.
HughBe---Eric your man said that you thought that a MAN was a woman. How intelligent of you.

Frijoles---Just this once kindly just admit you were wrong.

HughBe--- I was wrong to think that you were not able to tell the difference between males and females.

Based on what you are saying I have concluded that your problem is not with identifying the difference between men and women it lies in your misclassification of them . So for you men are women and women are men.



Frijoles--- You might feel a little better, not having to issue these spasms. Stop sounding like a twit.

HughBe--- I feel better now and I am sure it is the same for you.
Voluntarist

United States

#61172 Oct 24, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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There has always been a tension between the executive branch and legislative branch regarding the trigger to the War Powers Act. Obama did not create this tension, nor was it specific to Syria issue. Rand Paul didnt create anything new here.
Your view regarding the interpretation of those powers, are, to put it mildly, not shared by most people.
That wasn't a view or an opinion that's a fact.

And your first statement doesn't make Obama any less of a war monger than Bush.

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#61173 Oct 24, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Just this once kindly just admit you were wrong. You might feel a little better, not having to issue these spasms. Stop sounding like a twit.
But his spasms provide such a constant source of amusement.

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#61174 Oct 24, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Did you forget the war mongering for Syria and Rand Paul and others wanting the president to check with congress first?
Are you a progressive liberal?
Congress has 18 enumerated powers, that's it.
Yea, I'm sure he checked with congress mainly because Rand Paul reminded him. Face up to reality. Your hero Rand Paul is nothing but an opportunistic twit.

“Act Interdimensional ly”

Since: Jan 08

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#61175 Oct 24, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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But the thing is, its never about pure economic concerns. The fiscal fixation is just a veil to push a social agenda.
The same party that is promoting the TP also welcomes those who are anti-gay, anti-woman, anti-hispanic, anti-poor, anti-anything other than evangelical Christianity, anti-science, anti-anything except white men. The act that there has never been a major public rebellion by the "mainstream" Repubs indicates that they are a supporting party to this anarchy.
You would never fit in the TP here in the US. First, you are too thoughtful. Second, you are Jewish. Either of those is fatal.
Every political party in History has extremists and moderates. If you're looking for examples of extreme positions in the Democrats fold, they are easy to find. It makes sense that a fiscally conservative party would contain socially conservative people. I myself hold many socially conservative positions.

However, the stated position of the Tea Party isn't anti-gay, anti-immigration, or even pro-Xtianity. The first principles of the Tea Party are in fact fiscal conservatism and small government. These two go hand in hand. Small government is something everyone should embrace -- be they socially conservative or liberal. A small government doesn't intrude into people's lives as much as a large government and that works in your favour regardless of your political bent.

How do you make a government smaller? There is really only one way, to remove its source of income.

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#61176 Oct 24, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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That wasn't a view or an opinion that's a fact.
And your first statement doesn't make Obama any less of a war monger than Bush.
Kindly compare the number of wars that Obama has engaged in vs Bush

0 vs 2

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#61177 Oct 24, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
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Every political party in History has extremists and moderates. If you're looking for examples of extreme positions in the Democrats fold, they are easy to find. It makes sense that a fiscally conservative party would contain socially conservative people. I myself hold many socially conservative positions.
However, the stated position of the Tea Party isn't anti-gay, anti-immigration, or even pro-Xtianity. The first principles of the Tea Party are in fact fiscal conservatism and small government. These two go hand in hand. Small government is something everyone should embrace -- be they socially conservative or liberal. A small government doesn't intrude into people's lives as much as a large government and that works in your favour regardless of your political bent.
How do you make a government smaller? There is really only one way, to remove its source of income.
Yes, you can make the claim that the TP has a clean ideology, but the reality is much different. As per my links.

Where were these people when the govt expenses was expanding under Bush? As per the size of govt, that has been shrinking since Clinton. Which means the TP is tilting at windmills.

See http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/05/business/ec...

Its not about the money, its about the social agenda. That is clear. Hence the preoccupation with Ayn Rand.

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#61178 Oct 24, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Based on what you are saying I have concluded that your problem is not with identifying the difference between men and women it lies in your misclassification of them . So for you men are women and women are men.
Not for me. In the words of them.

"Its a mixed up world, its a shook up world, said my Lola..."

You have a bit of learning to do.
Eric

Knoxville, TN

#61179 Oct 24, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Not for me. In the words of them.
"Its a mixed up world, its a shook up world, said my Lola..."
You have a bit of learning to do.
He'd rather stab, chop and murder them.

“Act Interdimensional ly”

Since: Jan 08

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#61180 Oct 24, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Yes, you can make the claim that the TP has a clean ideology, but the reality is much different. As per my links.
Where were these people when the govt expenses was expanding under Bush? As per the size of govt, that has been shrinking since Clinton. Which means the TP is tilting at windmills.
See http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/05/business/ec...
Its not about the money, its about the social agenda. That is clear. Hence the preoccupation with Ayn Rand.
That's more or less my point. Every political party is tainted by the extremity of its membership. When you find that clean party let me know, I'll join it even if they advocate a mandatory Clown College Draft for all males 17-25.

As for the size of federal government shrinking, it's a clever argument that government spending is falling as a percentage of GDP since the Clinton administration. However, I can show a Forbes article ( http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikepatton/2013/0... ) that shows a steady increase in the number of government employees since the Reagan years with the first decline in the 2nd part of the Obama administration, due mostly to smaller state and local government spending cutbacks related to shrinking tax bases -- not federal.

But, what I find more troubling that the rising government workforce is the rising number of occasions where executive fiat has successfully circumvented congressional oversight. The system of checks and balances is, I believe, much too heavily skewed in favour of the executive. A smaller federal workforce could reverse than trend.

That is also my point, federal government grows steadily regardless of who is office. The system in place guarantees that perpetuation. Government programs can only grow, they can never shrink until, one day, they become unworkable and are replaced by another program.

Given that the blame is shared equally between both parties in power, it only makes sense that a 3rd Party (which I believe the TP must become in order to survive ideologically) are the only people with a chance to make any sort of change.

To make an analogy, if you want fewer sex offenders teaching primary school. You would be a fool to recruit teachers from the ranks of registered sex offenders. I'm not naive enough to believe all sex offenders are registered. But you have a better chance hiring those who don't have a proven record than hiring those who do and hoping THIS TIME they won't molest the children.

As for TP member being Rand ideologues. I doubt many are that familiar with her ideology. There is copious evidence that Rand herself had considerable problems making her ideology fit into any real-world scenarios. In her later years, Rand was all over the map trying to reconcile issues like anti-war movement, military draft, abortion rights, women's and gay rights into her theoretical structure. That being said, much of Rand's ideology (better explained in her concise non-fiction work than her fictional tomes) is perfectly applicable to real world scenarios.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#61181 Oct 24, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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But his spasms provide such a constant source of amusement.
I try my very best and so I am honoured that you appreciate the effort.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#61182 Oct 24, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>He'd rather stab, chop and murder them.
I am not into such things. I am disappointed that you have not even learnt that much.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#61183 Oct 24, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Not for me. In the words of them.
"Its a mixed up world, its a shook up world, said my Lola..."
You have a bit of learning to do.
Frijoles---You have a bit of learning to do.

HughBe--- I take it that you cannot learn anything more or if you can it is very little.
Voluntarist

United States

#61184 Oct 24, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Kindly compare the number of wars that Obama has engaged in vs Bush
0 vs 2
US drone strikes could be classed as war
crimes, says Amnesty International
Joint report with Human Rights Watch judges US attacks in Yemen
and Pakistan to have broken international human rights law
US officials responsible for the secret CIA drone campaign against
suspected terrorists in Pakistan may have committed war crimes
and should stand trial, a report by a leading human rights group
warns. Amnesty International has highlighted the case of a
grandmother who was killed while she was picking vegetables and
other incidents which could have broken international laws
designed to protect civilians.
The report is issued in conjunction with an investigation by
Human Rights Watch detailing missile attacks in Yemen which the
group believes could contravene the laws of armed conflict,
international human rights law and Barack Obama's own
guidelines on drones.
The reports are being published while Nawaz Sharif, Pakistan's
prime minister, is in Washington. Sharif has promised to tell
Obama that the drone strikes – which have caused outrage in
Pakistan – must end.
Getting to the bottom of individual strikes is exceptionally difficult
in the restive areas bordering Afghanistan, where thousands of
militants have settled. People are often terrified of speaking out,
fearing retribution from both militants and the state, which is
widely suspected of colluding with the CIA-led campaign.

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