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#60790 Oct 17, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
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Just to be clear here, American Board of Ophthalmology is a private, not government organization.
The idea behind a more Libertarian government is not to eliminate government (that is anarchy). However, there are limits to what a government can and should provide to it's people. Both fiscal and moral limits. The idea behind Libertarianism is to increasingly allow the private sector to provide public services better and cheaper than can be done by the public sector.
Some people inherently don't trust private organizations to serve the public trust. But, I'd speculate an equal and growing number of people don't trust the public sector to serve the public trust as well.
I'm more than willing to discuss the pros and cons of Libertarian philosophy if we eliminate conspiracy theory and communist plots from the rhetoric (that part isn't aimed at you, Mr Bean)
Are you suggesting a civil discourse? That's crazy talk.
Voluntarist

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#60791 Oct 17, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Understood.
The issue about Rand Paul wasnt about government, it was about trust. The article exposes him for the charlatan he is(was), which detracts from his credibility in his other walks of life. That was a lousy preamble from the author.
I have known more than a few govt or ex govt employees who profess to have (some) libertarian views. They tell me its a reaction from working in government, and being that I had a brief taste of that years ago, I can relate.
I think one thing we all can be in agreement is that the Tea Party is not libertarian nor politically conservative. I see the masses as rooted in ethnic identity politics (origins as white, male, southern culture) and their more vocal leaders such as Cruz and Bachman as typical politicians (i.e. opportunistic).
True there are soke opportunistic politicians jumping on the wagon but the tea party is rooted in Ron Paul libertarianism, started in 2007 and has been co-opted in many ways by some neo-cons.
Just like liberalism has its progressives which are like national socialists.

Did you miss the fact that he was a member of that trade organization and his membership lapsed because he didn't think that it was fair?
There was no ill will there.

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#60792 Oct 17, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Are you suggesting a civil discourse? That's crazy talk.
Yea, sorry about that. Acid flashback.
Voluntarist

United States

#60793 Oct 17, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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I dont get how one can say the public is being bribed. We get value for the services that the government provides. Case in point - the 24? billion dollar hit and disruption to our economy by the fruitless antics of the lunatics in congress.
I see no problems with the system that cant be finer tuned. No need to throw it out.
Biggest concern from the TP is the debt. But it is falling, so this is really a non-issue.
Tea Party is not a grass roots movement. If it was, it wouldnt be based within the Republican Party. Occupy Wall Street was a grass roots movement - it had no ties to the Dems or the Repubs other than theoretical alliances in certain views.
The tea party movement started within the end the fed movement in 2007, Gary Frenchy.

Please provide proof that the debt is falling.

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#60794 Oct 17, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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True there are soke opportunistic politicians jumping on the wagon but the tea party is rooted in Ron Paul libertarianism, started in 2007 and has been co-opted in many ways by some neo-cons.
Just like liberalism has its progressives which are like national socialists.
Did you miss the fact that he was a member of that trade organization and his membership lapsed because he didn't think that it was fair?
There was no ill will there.
Its not a question of ill will. Its a question of ensuring that the standard of professional conduct is maintained. Through CEUs (continuing ed credits), screening of experience, and the like. When I go to a DR I want to know that he is up to date. Paul is/was falsely advertising he was an active member of the profession. In truth, he was an active member of a profession of 7.

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#60795 Oct 17, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
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Walmart rules ... When I need something they sell, they are my first choice. Large selection, low prices on everyday household items.
Sorry, I cant get past their shoddy quality, their shoddy lighting, their shoddy employment practices, their shoddy help, and their shoddy lines at the check out. If it wasnt for those few things, I would shop there more often. If I need a box store I go to Target, a little bit more in price but a worlds difference on those issues.

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#60796 Oct 17, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
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As for the Tea Party being Republican. I don't argue that precious few of their ranks identify with the Democratic Party. But, it's a fact that the entrenched Republican leadership is made just as nervous by the Tea Party as the Democratic leadership. The only difference is, the Republican Party leadership can't openly say anything.
The Tea Party WAS (I believe the wind has spilled from those sails) a perceived threat to career politicians from both parties.
It was originally a threat until the Repubs decided to TRY to coopt it. But the fact is noone is forcing the TP to primary in the Repub party. They see it as a natural fit.

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#60797 Oct 17, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
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Let's say I'm interested in getting elected to public office -- whether I'm running for Governor or Dog Catcher. In order to get elected I have to offer something to the voters that my opponent doesn't' offer. Maybe I have to offer the same thing as my opponent, just more of it. People have to perceive a personal benefit for voting for me. If I managed to get elected, I have to keep promising an increasing amount of fiscal blessings to the electorate to stay in office. It doesn't matter if I'm a Democrat or a Republican, I can't get elected by telling the voters I want them to have less they have now. I can however tell the voters I'm taking something away from that "other" group, and that they will end up paying less tax. But, I can't take anything away from those I expect to vote for me. That, sir, is a bribe.
Now, I didn't pay for that thing myself, I'm going to buy that thing with public money. But I will take the credit for providing it and even hit that without me you could never have received it.
An endless parade of promises and an endless chequebook to pay for those promises is the unsustainable situation of which de Tocqueville warned us about 150 years ago.
Not all politicians, and certainly less Dems than Repubs, campaign on wedge issues. That seems to be a specialty of the Republicans, rooted in the days of Lee Atwater and Karl Rove. The only thing the Dems have that is near to that is campaigning on the issue of "inequality" but really, the follow through on that is pennies compared to some of the Republicans.

Social Security and the safety net is not as unsustainable as the politicians make it out to be. Obamacare is revenue neutral, provided the Republicans dont gut its mechanisms.

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#60799 Oct 17, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Sorry, I cant get past their shoddy quality, their shoddy lighting, their shoddy employment practices, their shoddy help, and their shoddy lines at the check out. If it wasnt for those few things, I would shop there more often. If I need a box store I go to Target, a little bit more in price but a worlds difference on those issues.
Maybe it's a regional thing but I've always found Walmart employees to be helpful and courteous. Their stores are, every time I've visited, clean, well-organized and well-lit. The merchandise, while inexpensive, is the same merchandise being offered in other discount chains such as Target, Ross and KMart. In rural areas of the US, they have brought the consumers choices and savings that were never available to them in the past.

As for their employment practices, they are the largest private employer in the US by a pretty fair margin. That's a benefit to an awful lot of employees. True, they aren't the highest paying jobs in the US but they aren't the lowest either. Many people in the food services industry are paid significantly lower than Walmart employees.
Frank

Long Beach, NY

#60800 Oct 17, 2013
What's the story.
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HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#60802 Oct 17, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
Non-vegetarianism = mass murder of living creatures.
Joel---Non-vegetarianism = mass murder of living creatures

Hugh--- vegetarianism= mass murder of living creatures.

If you disagree my dear Joel please state so and give a detail explanation for your feelings.

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#60803 Oct 17, 2013
If G-d didn't want us to eat animals he wouldn't have made them out of meat.
Gtown71

Grapevine, TX

#60804 Oct 17, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
If G-d didn't want us to eat animals he wouldn't have made them out of meat.
P - people
E - eating
T - tasty
A - animals

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#60805 Oct 17, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
If G-d didn't want us to eat animals he wouldn't have made them out of meat.
Stupid reply coming from a fanatic with zero brain power. LOL.
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#60806 Oct 17, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Its not a question of ill will. Its a question of ensuring that the standard of professional conduct is maintained. Through CEUs (continuing ed credits), screening of experience, and the like. When I go to a DR I want to know that he is up to date. Paul is/was falsely advertising he was an active member of the profession. In truth, he was an active member of a profession of 7.
The service business that I am in has a trade organization that some are members of and if I joined that organization and my membership lapsed does that make me dishonest if someone that works for me accidentally advertises that I am a member?

You are grasping at straws, if that's all you can find that's weak, imagine supporting Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi with all of their skeletons.

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#60807 Oct 17, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
<quoted text>Stupid reply coming from a fanatic with zero brain power. LOL.
I'm crushed by your Oscar Wildesque level of repartee.

Do they have Lithium in India?
Voluntarist

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#60808 Oct 17, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
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Maybe it's a regional thing but I've always found Walmart employees to be helpful and courteous. Their stores are, every time I've visited, clean, well-organized and well-lit. The merchandise, while inexpensive, is the same merchandise being offered in other discount chains such as Target, Ross and KMart. In rural areas of the US, they have brought the consumers choices and savings that were never available to them in the past.
As for their employment practices, they are the largest private employer in the US by a pretty fair margin. That's a benefit to an awful lot of employees. True, they aren't the highest paying jobs in the US but they aren't the lowest either. Many people in the food services industry are paid significantly lower than Walmart employees.
Do you know what percentage of their employees are on government assistance?
Do you know how many small businesses they have put out of business while realizing huge tax breaks?

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#60809 Oct 17, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Hugh--- vegetarianism= mass murder of living creatures.
Vegetarianism - you pluck or harvest produce off a tree/plant/crop without killing it and as known fresh produce grows in place of the plucked off ones like say the re-growth of hair in place of the cut hair and besides you harvest grains after the life force leaves the plant.

Collateral damage - killing of pests arises through the application of chemicals.

Sad.

However, killing of life forms takes place even through the act of cooking, heating water, flooding, torrential rain, drought, earth quakes, volcanic eruptions, predatory habits of carnivorous animals, freezing, wars, capital punishment, walking or coughing.

So, until a higher consciousness-force that is potent enough to abolish death (of every life form) can manifest in the terrestrial nature killing remains part and parcel of life.

However, in man the highest terrestrial forces of consciousness manifest and man can choose his responses and has the capacity to rise to the higher planes of consciousness via ascetic or yogic discipline and in this way man can alter his destiny and even become immortal and invincible with the descent of a higher unifying force like the supramental into his being and can in addition become one with the whole of the universe through an uplifting and unification of his consciousness of the subject with the object kind of union.

If this so-called barbarous entity called G-d made animals to be killed this very G-d also ordered human sacrifices, killing of babies, eating of human flesh, stoning to death gays/adulteresses/disobedient sons, cruelty to slaves and women and murder of people who opposed him or who worshipped a different G-d.

What kind of a G-d is this? LOL.

Violence and killing indicate savagery and lack of the higher power to control and manipulate a situation without resorting to violence or bloodshed.

Transformation via the higher consciousness-force is the key word not killing which is an aspect of an unregenerate power.

So, killing is not the answer to any solution - at least civilized people do not kill fellow human beings and they seek to minimize the destruction of lower life forms as far as possible through the adoption of life-affirming practices like vegetarianism.

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#60810 Oct 17, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Its sad that you are so urbanized and removed from your roots that you have to shop in "exclusive specialty stores selling organic foods".

Yes, I want the best of everything material, intellectual, ecological and spiritual.

The organic foods that I shop for are of a very high quality and are local as well as imported from the best farms around the world.

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