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Voluntarist

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#59850 Oct 8, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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You have to remember, that n his deluded mind, most diseases, including cancer, can be treated naturally - hence, no need for expensive medical treatments (what with all that expensive R&D and safety measures). It's a major flaw in his logic.
You brain is flawed if you wouldn't try the naturopathic way first because the track record for healing is better than traditional medicine.

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#59851 Oct 8, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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try answering my question for once, instead of being pompous
not impressed
I don't wish to go into details and mechanisms, so please excuse me.

I am not surprised that you goofed up that ordinary bit of chemistry on citrate and citric acid considering your weak foundation in math and science.

As for your question on arsenic, well, once again I don't wish to explain since it'll take me into explanation about the 4 quantum numbers - n, l, m and s, crystal field splitting energy, valence bond theory and then I'll have to explain the nuances of oxidation state which you think you know but you don't - for instance, if I ask you to find the oxidation state of S in the transformation of sodium thiosulfate to sodium tetrathionate in acidic medium showing all the working steps you will not know how to begin. And, if I ask you to contrast that with valence, milliequivalents, moles and ppm you won't know how to proceed.

So, well, I will drop the topic and forget about it for now.

Maybe some other time.

But, I am really not interested.

When I was preparing for the IIT JEE in Grades 9 to 12, I always referred to advanced Chemistry reference books like Morrison and Boyd, Bruce Mahan, Cotton, Sareen and Sareen,- these books are mainly used by university students but students wishing to crack the IIT JEE have to compulsorily refer to these books in detail.

In-depth knowledge of chem or math will hardly take you deep into the nature of the reality nor will it make one a better person.

Ok, then, best regards.
Eric

Elk Grove Village, IL

#59852 Oct 8, 2013
HughBe wrote:
From the American company ABC site---
"Yosef wielded influence over ALL Israelis."
ALL is a PRETTY SMALL number of persons. I wonder what number and percentage are left after the ALL is taken away.
Over all ISRAELIS. Get it ISRAELIS. Not Jews as a whole. Not American Jews. Not Jews worldwide. ISRAELIS

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#59853 Oct 8, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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You brain is flawed if you wouldn't try the naturopathic way first because the track record for healing is better than traditional medicine.
Naturopathy has its place. Alternative medicine has its place. I regularly see a body worker (LMT) who specializes in energy work, mainly cranial sacral. I also receive accupuncture a few times a year. But the key is that this is complementary to regular medicine. To do only alternative is nuts, and potentially harmful.

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#59854 Oct 8, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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I don't wish to go into details and mechanisms, so please excuse me.
I am not surprised that you goofed up that ordinary bit of chemistry on citrate and citric acid considering your weak foundation in math and science.
As for your question on arsenic, well, once again I don't wish to explain since it'll take me into explanation about the 4 quantum numbers - n, l, m and s, crystal field splitting energy, valence bond theory and then I'll have to explain the nuances of oxidation state which you think you know but you don't - for instance, if I ask you to find the oxidation state of S in the transformation of sodium thiosulfate to sodium tetrathionate in acidic medium showing all the working steps you will not know how to begin. And, if I ask you to contrast that with valence, milliequivalents, moles and ppm you won't know how to proceed.
So, well, I will drop the topic and forget about it for now.
Maybe some other time.
But, I am really not interested.
When I was preparing for the IIT JEE in Grades 9 to 12, I always referred to advanced Chemistry reference books like Morrison and Boyd, Bruce Mahan, Cotton, Sareen and Sareen,- these books are mainly used by university students but students wishing to crack the IIT JEE have to compulsorily refer to these books in detail.
In-depth knowledge of chem or math will hardly take you deep into the nature of the reality nor will it make one a better person.
Ok, then, best regards.
BOth questions, not that I expected an answer, could easily be answered in a single sentence a piece.

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#59855 Oct 8, 2013
Eric wrote:
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Over all ISRAELIS. Get it ISRAELIS. Not Jews as a whole. Not American Jews. Not Jews worldwide. ISRAELIS
Oh he gets it. We've been saying this for 5 days and lots of pages.

Its his mission to be irascible to the thinking public.

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#59856 Oct 8, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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You brain is flawed if you wouldn't try the naturopathic way first because the track record for healing is better than traditional medicine.
You misunderstood. I'm not adverse to natural remedies, provided there is hard, scientific evidence backing it up. The following chart shows those which hold promise.

http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/play/sn...

For natural "remedies" for which there is scant evidence of efficacy, you're taking a gamble with your health and will likely achieve negative results.

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#59857 Oct 8, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Family of 4.
I just imputed family of 4, two parents aged 45, and 2 children aged 8 and 17.

They gave me 16 plans to compare.

I couldnt get into the $1200 range until I hit the Silver plans. MOst of the plans were in the $900 range. Which is competitive with my private insurance plan (though I admit I dont know all the details.)

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#59858 Oct 8, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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BOth questions, not that I expected an answer, could easily be answered in a single sentence a piece.
A single sentence answer? What?

That would be too superficial.

If I answer the questions on citrate versus citric acid and the one on oxidation state (of arsenic), the details will stretch to at least 2 pages and will involve in-depth concepts and calculations and I don't wish to type out all the numerous details.

Not now at least when I have a fever and am feeling a bit dizzy.

Take care.

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#59859 Oct 8, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Oh he gets it. We've been saying this for 5 days and lots of pages.
Its his mission to be irascible to the thinking public.
Typical Hugh. Getting caught up in a web of deception of his own making, and then continuing to squirm until the original point is so obfuscated, everyone just gives up on him and he considers it a victory.

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#59860 Oct 8, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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You misunderstood. I'm not adverse to natural remedies, provided there is hard, scientific evidence backing it up. The following chart shows those which hold promise.
http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/play/sn...
For natural "remedies" for which there is scant evidence of efficacy, you're taking a gamble with your health and will likely achieve negative results.
My take on alt medicine is that often they at least give you enough time and space to fully discuss your problem. Allopathic (modern) medicine is always in a hurry. However, all the time in the world doesnt help if they dont solve your problem.
Eric

Elk Grove Village, IL

#59861 Oct 8, 2013
HughBe wrote:
Note what the ABC report says. Understanding the report is as easy as ABC.
"Sephardic Jews make up roughly HALF of Israel's Jewish population"
Again, "Sephardic Jews make up roughly HALF of Israel's Jewish population"
This statement is incorrect. There are between 1.1 million and 1.5 million Sephardi in Israel. There are 5.75 million Jews in Israel. That's 19%- 26%.

You only get the 50% by adding the Mizrahim.

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#59862 Oct 8, 2013
NATUROPATHY, DIET AND PERSONALITY DEFECTS:

One usually needs naturopathy when one eats a predominantly non-vegetarian diet or is heavily into junk foods and when one has serious personality defects like high amplitude anger which upsets the mind-body balance and lowers the immunity.

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#59863 Oct 8, 2013
KIDNEY STONES & PERSONALITY FLAWS:

From a subtle perspective, those persons who suffer from kidney stones are more likely to have unclean thoughts, hold grudges, have a low sense of fair-mindedness and who support perversions and fanaticisms of the religious or cultural kind.

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#59864 Oct 8, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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A single sentence answer? What?
That would be too superficial.
If I answer the questions on citrate versus citric acid and the one on oxidation state (of arsenic), the details will stretch to at least 2 pages and will involve in-depth concepts and calculations and I don't wish to type out all the numerous details.
Not now at least when I have a fever and am feeling a bit dizzy.
Take care.
NO need to answer, obviously I already know the answer. I was just giving you the opportunity if you enjoyed it.

Conciseness and brevity is a skill that goes far in this world. If one cant reduce their thoughts into a manageable format then perhaps one's thoughts need to be rethought.

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#59865 Oct 8, 2013
NATURAL REMEDIES - MOSTLY HOGWASH

As part of the Yoga, I have studied alternate systems of medicines in detail and am unimpressed. These natural remedies work slowly and superficially and are effective only in treating certain lifestyle diseases. Nothing more. The air of sanctity surrounding nature treatments and all talk about the natural medicines reaching into your prana kosh (vital force), manomay kosh (mind force) and so on are hogwash and ignorant hype.

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#59866 Oct 8, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
KIDNEY STONES & PERSONALITY FLAWS:
From a subtle perspective, those persons who suffer from kidney stones are more likely to have unclean thoughts, hold grudges, have a low sense of fair-mindedness and who support perversions and fanaticisms of the religious or cultural kind.
and homosexual activity causes tsunamis

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#59867 Oct 8, 2013
Eric wrote:
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This statement is incorrect. There are between 1.1 million and 1.5 million Sephardi in Israel. There are 5.75 million Jews in Israel. That's 19%- 26%.
You only get the 50% by adding the Mizrahim.
Ouch. Dont confuse the poor boy. I am sure he has no idea what you are referring to. And once he figures it out he will ignore it anyhow.
Voluntarist

United States

#59868 Oct 8, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
You misunderstood. I'm not adverse to natural remedies, provided there is hard, scientific evidence backing it up. The following chart shows those which hold promise.
http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/play/sn...
For natural "remedies" for which there is scant evidence of efficacy, you're taking a gamble with your health and will likely achieve negative results.
Proof through testimony through first hand witnesses is all the proof I need.

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#59869 Oct 8, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Typical Hugh. Getting caught up in a web of deception of his own making, and then continuing to squirm until the original point is so obfuscated, everyone just gives up on him and he considers it a victory.
But the thing is, its not obfuscated. His entire missionary vision is that Jews WORLDWIDE are controlled by the "Rabbis". This exchange cuts to that core. Sure, he can reduce his argument for the moment to only cover certain Israelis, but being that this is not helpful to his grander vision, he has no choice but to go back to the broader argument.

Basically, he has blundered into his own Waterloo.

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