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#59733 Oct 7, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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You are an attorney you should know better, I said it won't work THAT WAY.
OK, we're listening. Fill the room with your intelligence! Layout how you are going to offer healthcare to everyone where each pays according to their means.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#59734 Oct 7, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Sounds very affordable, I guess the affordable health care act worked for you.
I have a friend self employed, insurance going up 37% to almost $1200 per month.
Very affordable.
rabbee: well i have the most affordable health care plan, so screw Obama's the most unaffordable one. and knowing this government ability to not balance a budget, i know it is going to get more and more unaffordable.

and sorry if onesies and twosies, don't get the united health care bulk rate. about the only hope for that, is to form a large organized group of individuals. so you can negotiate, on a larger scale for a lower overall cost.

but if you think that is high, you should check out the five digit flood insurance here in Colorado now - from $1200 to $12,000+.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#59735 Oct 7, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Sounds very affordable, I guess the affordable health care act worked for you.
I have a friend self employed, insurance going up 37% to almost $1200 per month.
Very affordable.
Well, I just went to the CT site, and for a middle of the road plan (bronze), it would cost my family about $800 for a 12k deductible

I also imputed what it would cost if I was a senior, and then I hit the $1200 mark. However, that would be moot as I would also qualify for medicare/
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#59736 Oct 7, 2013
geo wilson wrote:
<quoted text>If you are not getting the response you want, stop the socratic bs. If you have a point to make, make it. I'm not going to make your points for you. Israeli Sephardic Jews are but a small fraction of the Jews in the world. Their leadership, therefore, has no impact outside of their own community.
GW---I'm not going to make your points for you. Israeli Sephardic Jews are but a small fraction of the Jews in the world. Their leadership, therefore, has no impact outside of their own community.

HughBe--- It is unfortunate that my point has gone completely over your head. Please try and follow the discourse from here. Best of luck.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#59737 Oct 7, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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You ask questions, we either answer them or point you towrds the internet, and you respond negatively.
At some point you either need to stop throwing a hissy fit or find a new medium to play with. Because this one sure isnt working out for ya.
I look forward to the day that you will be TRUTHFUL but alas today is just like any other day, in the past.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#59738 Oct 7, 2013
Everyone--- look, note and LEARN.

Eric---I never heard of him.(Yosef)

HughBe---Yosef is the rabbi that CHANGED politics and religion in Israel i.e. based on what a leading Israeli newspaper states.
Yet Eric, the Lawyer and member of Judaism has NEVER heard of him.

Eric, Frijoles and others make it seems that Yosef is insignificant. I wrote and told them otherwise and in fact I told Frijoles that given that the man is INSIGNIFICANT when he dies it would not be covered.

Now guess what? Yosef died a COUPLE of hours ago. What has happened in Israel meaning what is the response to the death of this INSIGNIFICANT personality called Yosef.

Let me quote.

1."Jerusalem (AFP)- More than 700,000 people took to Jerusalem's streets Monday to mourn the spiritual leader of Israel's Sephardic Jews, in an UNPRECEDENTED procession for an INFLUENTIAL figure who died after surgery.

Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, 93, wielded ENORMOUS INFLUENCE among Israeli Jews of Middle Eastern and North African ancestry"

Comment : did you see "UNPRECEDENTED procession for an INFLUENTIAL figure"?

Do you understand it? Tell the DECEIVERS to go to hell.

2."We estimate there are more (than) 700,000 people taking part in the LARGEST of funerals ever in Israel," police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld wrote on Twitter.

Comment: Did YOU see what follows? "LARGEST of funerals ever in Israel"

I rest my case. These fellows are in bed with LIES and there is very little by way of TRUTH in them.

http://news.yahoo.com/israels-influential-rab...

“Act Interdimensional ly”

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#59739 Oct 7, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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But you are a religious man, a jew.
You believe that god is the creator of the
universe?
Did you observe god create the universe?
There are only two reasons in the world I would share my religious beliefs with you.

A) If I sought to bring you to believe the same as I believe -- OR --
B) If I was seeking to justify my beliefs to you or myself

I don't seek to make you believe the way I believe. In fact, I find great comfort in the fact you don't believe as I do. Everyone is a moral compass -- some just point south instead of north.

My beliefs are my own, a considered combination of lifelong observation, religious instruction and my education (poor as it has been). They actually fit me quite well and I find myself very comfortable in them. If I found they were no longer comfortable, instead of trying to justify them, I would alter them to fit new information.
Voluntarist

United States

#59740 Oct 7, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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I find it very hard to believe that premiums are that much. Unless he doesnt qualify for a subsidy. Or lives out of our state.
She, is in the $75,000 range and lives in your state of denial.
She is upping her deductible to $10,000 to cover the difference in cost.
Voluntarist

United States

#59741 Oct 7, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
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There are only two reasons in the world I would share my religious beliefs with you.
A) If I sought to bring you to believe the same as I believe -- OR --
B) If I was seeking to justify my beliefs to you or myself
I don't seek to make you believe the way I believe. In fact, I find great comfort in the fact you don't believe as I do. Everyone is a moral compass -- some just point south instead of north.
My beliefs are my own, a considered combination of lifelong observation, religious instruction and my education (poor as it has been). They actually fit me quite well and I find myself very comfortable in them. If I found they were no longer comfortable, instead of trying to justify them, I would alter them to fit new information.
Ill take that as you have a belief and are afraid of looking like a hypocrite.
Voluntarist

United States

#59742 Oct 7, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, I just went to the CT site, and for a middle of the road plan (bronze), it would cost my family about $800 for a 12k deductible
I also imputed what it would cost if I was a senior, and then I hit the $1200 mark. However, that would be moot as I would also qualify for medicare/
Almost $20,000 per year for health insurance, that is more than a McDonald's employees minimum wage job.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#59743 Oct 7, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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We can go round and round and round, but the facts remain.
Shas is relatively unknown and definitely uninfluential in relation to Jews who live outside of Israel. Plus they are a political party who represent a narrow ethnic interest (sephardic Israeli), so even those who know them within Israel, its akin to the rest of Americans knowing about the KKK.
This shall be the last time I will mention this. Its the fourth time, and at some point you have to recognize that ignoring our comments does not make you correct. You are not Ted Cruz.(who, by the way, using your logic, is one of the more influential Americans in Jamaica.)
Frijoles---Plus they are a political party who represent a narrow ethnic interest (sephardic Israeli), so EVEN those who know them within Israel, its akin to the rest of Americans knowing about the KKK.

HughBe--- By the way, KKK is well known in America. That info is free.

Your DISHONEST attempt at taking away from Yosef will not work and I know that it is one of the main tools used by you and your kind. The other main one is to DISCREDIT ALL sources except ONE. There is ONLY one TRUE source,for your kind, and I have learnt that and so I use it.

Lesson: God has ALWAYS reserved a remnant who will speak the TRUTH. Pass that info to your masters.

Now son, I want YOU to read with UNDERSTANDING the response of the
the Israeli PRESIDENT to the pending death of YOUR insignificant man Yosef.

"News of his deteriorating health prompted President Shimon Peres to CUT SHORT A WORKING MEETING with his Czech counterpart Milos Zeman and rush to the rabbi's bedside, his office said."
Voluntarist

United States

#59744 Oct 7, 2013
geo wilson wrote:
<quoted text>
OK, we're listening. Fill the room with your intelligence! Layout how you are going to offer healthcare to everyone where each pays according to their means.
The best way to do it would be to eliminate insurance companies and let the free market take over.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#59745 Oct 7, 2013
"I held his hand which was still warm and kissed his forehead. When I pressed his hand I felt I was touching HISTORY and when I kissed his head it was as though I kissed the very greatness of Israel," he said of his earlier meeting with the rabbi."

Comment:Yet these fellows claim that he is not INFLUENTIAL.
Voluntarist

United States

#59746 Oct 7, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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I find it very hard to believe that premiums are that much. Unless he doesnt qualify for a subsidy. Or lives out of our state.
Why should someone that never had to get subsidized have to get subsidized?

Why are the rates going through the roof?

“Act Interdimensional ly”

Since: Jan 08

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#59747 Oct 7, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Ill take that as you have a belief and are afraid of looking like a hypocrite.
You'll never know, will you?

Like having an itch you can never scratch.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#59748 Oct 7, 2013
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Jews had lost "one of the WISEST men of this generation."

That is the Israeli PM speaking, above.

What is YOUR understanding of the Prime Minister's words?

Keep in mind that the DECEIVERS here try as usual to DECEIVE. Yosef if you follow them lacks INFLUENCE.

YOU know that they are LIARS.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#59749 Oct 7, 2013
Source of quote below is the BBC. Do you know what BBC means Eric and Frijoles?

Tell me about the lack of INFLUENCE of Yosef,now.

Shame on YOU, go back to your masters and tell them that you have been exposed and you need to change strategy.

Understand, Yosef's death has been COVERED and done so QUICKLY.

"Several hundred thousand people have attended the funeral in Jerusalem of influential Rabbi Ovadia Yosef."
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#59750 Oct 7, 2013
Sorry, girls.

This is the link.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-2...
Eric

Elk Grove Village, IL

#59751 Oct 7, 2013
HughBe wrote:
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Jews had lost "one of the WISEST men of this generation."
That is the Israeli PM speaking, above.
What is YOUR understanding of the Prime Minister's words?
Keep in mind that the DECEIVERS here try as usual to DECEIVE. Yosef if you follow them lacks INFLUENCE.
YOU know that they are LIARS.
Damn't Hugh, what do you want. I am not going to respect someone who said the things that he did. I think for my self. He is not MY Rabbi. I only have 2. If Netanyahu liked him in Israel, that fine. He had to be referring to the Jews of Israel because no one in the US knew of him. He was a typical Israeli Orthodox Rabbi all of whom I can't stand. Name one thing that he did for the US Jews. I bet you can't because we were outside his sphere of influence. Give us a quote from an American non-Orthodox Jew about him.

Would you rather that I sing his praise knowing what he said?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#59752 Oct 7, 2013
More coverage of his death.

"Rabbi Ovadia Yosef was a religious GIANT with an IMMENSE following. "

In the minds of the DECEIVERS i.e. Eric, Frijoles et.al. this GIANT with IMMENSE following was not influential.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/20...

Source--"The Christian Science Monitor" which "is an international news organization that delivers thoughtful, global coverage via its website, weekly magazine, daily news"

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