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#59552 Oct 4, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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I saw the copters hovering yesterday. I thought maybe it was an accident on 95. I'm sure our resident conspiracy theorist thought it was "Capricorn One" come to life.
She lived in Woodside Green, of all places. I almost rented there years ago. My former webmaster, now a pornographer, lived there as well. They are really nice units - high ceilings, great location, interesting neighbors (lol)

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#59553 Oct 4, 2013
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You mean that kidney stones are caused by an accumulation of calcium oxalate in the organ.
Kidney stones usually comprised of a compound called calcium oxalate, are the result of an accumulation of dissolved minerals on the inner lining of the kidneys. These deposits can grow to the size of a golf ball while maintaining a sharp, crystalline structure.
So, obviously, it means an excess of Ca^2+ ions that bond with oxalate anions C204^2- or (COO)2*2- form kidney stones.
They is research where they grow these things in the lab. But basically, the human physiology is more complicated, and the formation depends on what is in solution to keep them in solution as much as the actual elements. Plus there are several types of stones.

Stay away from Rhubarb and spinach - they have 100x more oxalate than other foods.

K stones suck. I have had several of them, and each time I ended up in the ER.

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#59554 Oct 4, 2013
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They is research where they grow these things in the lab.

But basically, the human physiology is more complicated, and the formation depends on what is in solution to keep them in solution as much as the actual elements.
Yeah, the formation of CaC2O4 (calcium oxalate) crystals in solution reminds me a lot of crystals forming from a hot supersaturated solution that is in the cooling stage.

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#59555 Oct 4, 2013
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Plus there are several types of stones.
I guess the kidney stones with rounded edges would be less painful since rounded stones would occupy less surface area thus making it easier for them to pass out through the urinary system via the excreted urine. Besides, rounded stones means less pain as sharp projections are absent or minimal.

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#59556 Oct 4, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Stay away from Rhubarb and spinach - they have 100x more oxalate than other foods.
Till now, I have never had kidney stones.

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#59557 Oct 4, 2013
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K stones suck. I have had several of them, and each time I ended up in the ER.
Take care of your health and stay safe.

For every physical trait/condition, there exists a corresponding psychological condition in view of the close nexus between mind and matter and so I would hazard a guess that there could exist a psychological reason that supports the frequent formation of painful kidney stones as certain mind patterns could mutate the genes responsible for smooth kidney functioning thereby aiding in the process of the crystallization of calcium oxalate stones in super-saturated solution in kidney.

This appears logical to me and in my yogic experiences I have always seen a mind-matter co-relation in everything.

Well, anyway, good health and good cheer to you.
el cid 777

Scranton, PA

#59558 Oct 4, 2013
Hi! I am on a religion forum, so I will speak
about religion. The Jews have a group of people
called Zionists. These Zionists believe that a
messiah is coming to the Jewish people who will
help them conquer the world. Christians say an
anti-christ is coming to the Jews and he will be a
tyrant. The space aliens say: "Do not listen to
Biblical prophecy, because it is not going to
happen"! Biblical prophecy has outlived its time.
We are now in the 21st century and things will be
different. The world, as we know it, has ended
sometime in the year 2000. We are just now grinding
to a halt! The only thing that we still have that
is "old hat" is we still have sickness and death!
All other things are new! I am getting an error on
the page message on my computer, so I had better
sign off. Love, el cid 777

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#59559 Oct 4, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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I guess the kidney stones with rounded edges would be less painful since rounded stones would occupy less surface area thus making it easier for them to pass out through the urinary system via the excreted urine. Besides, rounded stones means less pain as sharp projections are absent or minimal.
Thats basically the idea. Though most of the pain (renal colic) is from the difference in hydraulic pressures before and after the obstruction.

You would find this article interesting about the Green Tea and crystal formation

http://www.rsc.org/Publishing/ChemScience/Vol...

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#59560 Oct 4, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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Till now, I have never had kidney stones.
There is a reasonably good chance you wont in the future either, so dont worry.
debblie

Pittsburgh, PA

#59561 Oct 4, 2013
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Israel a turd
Eric

Elk Grove Village, IL

#59562 Oct 4, 2013
debblie wrote:
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Israel a turd
Pittsburgh Rivers--full of turds

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#59563 Oct 4, 2013
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That's basically the idea. Though most of the pain (renal colic) is from the difference in hydraulic pressures before and after the obstruction.
Kidney stones are fully immersed in liquid (urine) or it could be said that they're formed in liquid by the crystallization of calcium oxalate molecules from supersaturated solution and are as such fully surrounded by the liquid media even if attached to the inner lining of the organ from where they keep moving down the urinary tract as more and even more water that is imbibed by the patient ends up in the kidneys.

This incoming water into the kidneys then increases the liquid pressure on the stone causing the stone to sink further and besides the density of the stone begins to exceed in larger measure the density of the liquid as the incoming water serves to dilute the urine and so both these factors cause the stone to keep sinking down the urinary tract to be finally expelled from the body.

Both the liquid pressure (P = hdg, h = height of the liquid column above the stone) as well as the the laws of flotation (see below) would be responsible for the liquid pressure generated and for the dynamics/motion of kidney stones.

w = weight of the body (here, kidney stone)

U = upthrust of the displaced fluid acting on the body

If w is greater than U, the body will sink in the liquid which indicates that the density of the body sinking in the liquid is greater than the density of the liquid.

But, if w = U then the body will float just inside the liquid surface implying thereby that the density of the body is equal to the density of the liquid.

Both aspects of the law of flotation come into play at various stages of the disease condition.

The liquid displaced by the kidney stone creates the upthrust and the fact that the stone is immersed in the liquid would then bring into the picture the liquid pressure (not hydrostatic pressure since urine is not only formed of water).

The downward motion of the kidney stone would be accelerated when P and d (stone) exceed U.

Right, then. Enjoy life.

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#59565 Oct 4, 2013
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There is a reasonably good chance you wont in the future either, so don't worry.
Oh, thank you, I hope so...

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#59566 Oct 4, 2013
Good night. Time to take my medicines and to relax a little.

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#59567 Oct 4, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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Kidney stones are fully immersed in liquid (urine) or it could be said that they're formed in liquid by the crystallization of calcium oxalate molecules from supersaturated solution and are as such fully surrounded by the liquid media even if attached to the inner lining of the organ from where they keep moving down the urinary tract as more and even more water that is imbibed by the patient ends up in the kidneys.
This incoming water into the kidneys then increases the liquid pressure on the stone causing the stone to sink further and besides the density of the stone begins to exceed in larger measure the density of the liquid as the incoming water serves to dilute the urine and so both these factors cause the stone to keep sinking down the urinary tract to be finally expelled from the body.
Both the liquid pressure (P = hdg, h = height of the liquid column above the stone) as well as the the laws of flotation (see below) would be responsible for the liquid pressure generated and for the dynamics/motion of kidney stones.
w = weight of the body (here, kidney stone)
U = upthrust of the displaced fluid acting on the body
If w is greater than U, the body will sink in the liquid which indicates that the density of the body sinking in the liquid is greater than the density of the liquid.
But, if w = U then the body will float just inside the liquid surface implying thereby that the density of the body is equal to the density of the liquid.
Both aspects of the law of flotation come into play at various stages of the disease condition.
The liquid displaced by the kidney stone creates the upthrust and the fact that the stone is immersed in the liquid would then bring into the picture the liquid pressure (not hydrostatic pressure since urine is not only formed of water).
The downward motion of the kidney stone would be accelerated when P and d (stone) exceed U.
Right, then. Enjoy life.
If you wanted to really be concise I suppose you could model the flow the same way one modeled groundwaterflow through a medium using Darcy's Law.

However, biology also plays a role. Contractions of the muscles in the wall of the ureter also pushed the stones along. That is the second source of pain after renal colic. This pain is not as intense, and is a good thing, as it signifies movement.

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#59568 Oct 4, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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Kidney stones are fully immersed in liquid (urine) or it could be said that they're formed in liquid by the crystallization of calcium oxalate molecules from supersaturated solution and are as such fully surrounded by the liquid media even if attached to the inner lining of the organ from where they keep moving down the urinary tract as more and even more water that is imbibed by the patient ends up in the kidneys.
Bringing us back to the original discussion of whether the concentrations of the constituent elements (calcium and oxalate for that type of stone) matter as much as the properties of the solution.

With the right pH and ion or other physical exchange, the constituent reagents are whisked away BEFORE they have a chance to precipitate and crystalize. The easiest way to have this happen is simply drink more water. A second way is to imbibe more citrate as it complexes with the calcium (drink more lemonade).

keep in mind there are several types of stones - you need to catch one and send it to a lab to figure which type you have. Calcium oxalate is the most common though.
Voluntarist

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#59569 Oct 4, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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You mean that kidney stones are caused by an accumulation of calcium oxalate in the organ.
Kidney stones usually comprised of a compound called calcium oxalate, are the result of an accumulation of dissolved minerals on the inner lining of the kidneys. These deposits can grow to the size of a golf ball while maintaining a sharp, crystalline structure.
So, obviously, it means an excess of Ca^2+ ions that bond with oxalate anions C204^2- or (COO)2*2- form kidney stones.
Absolutely not, kidney stones are formed BECAUSE of a calcium deficiency.
Voluntarist

United States

#59570 Oct 4, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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If so then why did 3 of your previous small businesses fail if the profits were "high" as you claim?
I don't know what retailing you do but obviously it's similar to a boring Mom and Pop store.
Anyway, go forward and do well in business and do good to all including yourself.
Just because a business is profitable doesn't mean there is enough volume to sustain.
Technology changed, other avenues opened up and now nobody is making money.
Nuff said without disclosing my identity, ive been in the news everyone knows me, it isn't hard to figure out who I am based on my past business.
Voluntarist

United States

#59571 Oct 4, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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If so then why did 3 of your previous small businesses fail if the profits were "high" as you claim?
I don't know what retailing you do but obviously it's similar to a boring Mom and Pop store.
Anyway, go forward and do well in business and do good to all including yourself.
Define small business, here small business in retail is under 30 employees and gross sales under $500,000.
Voluntarist

United States

#59572 Oct 4, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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very WRONG. I have MUCH research and experience in this matter. You cant snow me on this one.
There are several types of stones with several differnt etiologies. The one common thread is the need to drink more water.
For oxalate, the most common, drinking citrate is good as well (lemon) for prevention. Also, there is some evidence that Green Tea assists in the formation of a crystal with more rounded edges which might help in the long run.
Once they form and obstruct you are sht out of luck.
Dr Wallech has more research on it than you shit face again, the proof is in the pudding.

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