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HughBe

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Frijoles wrote:
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Their sexual habits remain wrong in the sight of God and in many places ILLEGAL.
Very sad opinion.
Someday you will learn how to respect gay people
HughBe---They(gays) tend to be very pleasant people and so there is nothing to dislike about them. Their sexual habits remain wrong in the sight of God and in many places ILLEGAL.

Frijoles---Their sexual habits remain wrong in the sight of God and in many places ILLEGAL.

HughBe--- Given that you RESPECT the words of your rabbis ABOVE those of your Maker, I shall not ask you a question based on religion.

Tell me, is it RIGHT or WRONG to break the laws of say the US? Recall, I spoke of homosexuality as being ILLEGAL and in my mind that means WRONG by law. You educate me.

Frijoles---Someday you will learn how to respect gay people

HughBe--- Why do you always speak so foolishly in cases where people hold a different opinion from you hold?

My position has NOTHING to do with RESPECT, it is about being RIGHT or being WRONG in the sight of God and in many countries in the eyes of men.

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TRUISM:

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REVERSE SNOBBERY:

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JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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If you condemn Judaism per se then, well, the hate, bloodshed, racism, wars, fanaticism and cruelty are splattered all across the Tanach.
So, if this is what you're driving at then you'll have to reject the Tanach and its G-d. That you won't do. Right?
Why do you think a large chunk of Jews are ex-Jews or are simply non-observant?
However, while the Tanach is chock full of violence, supremacism, murder, infanticide, stoning, intolerance, human sacrifices, cannibalism, rape, slavery and other evils, most lay Jews are only interested in its benign parts like for instance observing the mitzvot (feeding the poor, acting kindly to the stranger, observing the shabbath, keeping kashrut, don't steal, don't kill, etc, etc) and consider the bloodshed and cruelty as part of the most early stages of their religion that need have no relevance in modern times with the stress being on communing with G-d by keeping his commands and evolving in faith with changing circumstances. Besides, most Jews have nothing to do with the globalists (who incidentally are drawn from every religion, race and culture).
Now, do you get it?
1. Explain the word ex-Jews.

2. I am not condemning Judaism I am condemning the EVIL that is taught in it.

3. Judaism today would be unrecognizable by Moses the lawgiver.

For one thing Moses would ask, what the hell are those ORAL Laws? He would say, I WROTE EVERYTHING.
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JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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Yes, some of them are virulent. As I said it depends on the branch of Judaism but most observant Jews are not Sabatean Frankists freaks or Zio-terrorists. Besides, the rise in demographics of the supremacist Haredi Jews is a bit worrying.
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HughBe wrote:
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1. Explain the word ex-Jews.
2. I am not condemning Judaism I am condemning the EVIL that is taught in it.
3. Judaism today would be unrecognizable by Moses the lawgiver.
For one thing Moses would ask, what the hell are those ORAL Laws? He would say, I WROTE EVERYTHING.
Pardon me to say, the "art of writing" was not so advanced in the time of Moses. MOST of his teachings were Oral (as for most prophets of the past). What was written down were ten commandments and some basic teachings.

Not the details about different sacrifices and details about Ark of YHWH!!

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HUGH, PLEASE GROW UP:

1) Get rid of your stone age morality where marriage, sex and sexual orientation are concerned. Those were the days of ignorance about human nature and the role played by genes in determining human proclivities.

2) In the light of modern understanding of human nature based on genetics, evolution and psychology and in hard logical terms:

A) MARRIAGE is a misnomer or a superfluous institution as you don't need a mumbo jumbo religious ceremony to sanctify your union with a partner;

B) SEX is not taboo and one may have sex prior to or out of marriage provided one is protected from diseases and provided one does not end up with serious mental obsessions of the damaging kind and provided one's partner is open to the idea of multiple sex partners and does not mind one's promiscuity;

C) SEXUAL ORIENTATION is a matter of genetic inclination of which there are 3 types - heterosexuality, homosexuality/lesbianism and bisexuality. Besides, modern reproductive techniques like invitro and cloning have made procreation through male-female sexual means redundant.

Ok, Mon?

Grow up.
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Pardon me to say, the "art of writing" was not so advanced in the time of Moses. MOST of his teachings were Oral (as for most prophets of the past). What was written down were ten commandments and some basic teachings.
Not the details about different sacrifices and details about Ark of YHWH!!
The scriptures say, Moses wrote the law.

"And Moses wrote this law, and delivered it unto the priests the sons of Levi, which bare the ark of the covenant of the Lord, and unto all the elders of Israel."

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3. Judaism today would be unrecognizable by Moses the lawgiver.
For one thing Moses would ask, what the hell are those ORAL Laws? He would say, I WROTE EVERYTHING.
A cursory observation reveals that Moses' sayings are not unique or exhaustive or binding in many cases.

Moses' knowledge and experiences are not the last word on any subject for the matter.

If you hold Moses as a role model then you'll have to support or condone or imitate all his savagery which are too well known to be repeated here....

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1. Explain the word ex-Jews.
As simple as saying that a man has changed his old shirt for a fresh one.

If you're referring to the genetic part then I have explained my stance in a previous post.

New beliefs bring in new mind-matter vibrations that gradually overlay and modify the old ones with the passage of time and besides the formation of the new mind-matter patterns depend on the intensity of the new beliefs or new practices.

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2. I am not condemning Judaism I am condemning the EVIL that is taught in it.
Then reject the Tanach per se knowing well that in large parts it is a manual promoting war, bloodshed, slavery, fanaticism and cruelty.
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JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
HUGH, PLEASE GROW UP:
1) Get rid of your stone age morality where marriage, sex and sexual orientation are concerned. Those were the days of ignorance about human nature and the role played by genes in determining human proclivities.
2) In the light of modern understanding of human nature based on genetics, evolution and psychology and in hard logical terms:
A) MARRIAGE is a misnomer or a superfluous institution as you don't need a mumbo jumbo religious ceremony to sanctify your union with a partner;
B) SEX is not taboo and one may have sex prior to or out of marriage provided one is protected from diseases and provided one does not end up with serious mental obsessions of the damaging kind and provided one's partner is open to the idea of multiple sex partners and does not mind one's promiscuity;
C) SEXUAL ORIENTATION is a matter of genetic inclination of which there are 3 types - heterosexuality, homosexuality/lesbianism and bisexuality. Besides, modern reproductive techniques like invitro and cloning have made procreation through male-female sexual means redundant.
Ok, Mon?
Grow up.
Joel---SEXUAL ORIENTATION is a matter of genetic inclination

HughBe---Give the link to the scientific data.
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JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
HUGH, PLEASE GROW UP:
1) Get rid of your stone age morality where marriage, sex and sexual orientation are concerned. Those were the days of ignorance about human nature and the role played by genes in determining human proclivities.
2) In the light of modern understanding of human nature based on genetics, evolution and psychology and in hard logical terms:
A) MARRIAGE is a misnomer or a superfluous institution as you don't need a mumbo jumbo religious ceremony to sanctify your union with a partner;
B) SEX is not taboo and one may have sex prior to or out of marriage provided one is protected from diseases and provided one does not end up with serious mental obsessions of the damaging kind and provided one's partner is open to the idea of multiple sex partners and does not mind one's promiscuity;
C) SEXUAL ORIENTATION is a matter of genetic inclination of which there are 3 types - heterosexuality, homosexuality/lesbianism and bisexuality. Besides, modern reproductive techniques like invitro and cloning have made procreation through male-female sexual means redundant.
Ok, Mon?
Grow up.
It all goes back to The Weimar Republic and the same people here today.
"The Sexual Decadence of Weimar Germany"

by Lasha Darkmoon
and Veterans Today dotcom
A must read!

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/09/24/sexua ...
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JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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As simple as saying that a man has changed his old shirt for a fresh one.
If you're referring to the genetic part then I have explained my stance in a previous post.
New beliefs bring in new mind-matter vibrations that gradually overlay and modify the old ones with the passage of time and besides the formation of the new mind-matter patterns depend on the intensity of the new beliefs or new practices.
The ex-Jew concept makes no sense. Jews had their identity long before Judaism.

Do you share your progenitors religious beliefs?

If you do not share their beliefs, are you now an ex-son of your parents and grandparents etc?

How do the descendants of Israel become his ex-descendants?
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JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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Then reject the Tanach per se knowing well that in large parts it is a manual promoting war, bloodshed, slavery, fanaticism and cruelty.
No, the Tanach does not teach that all who are not Jews are only born to serve Jews etc.

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Wow. I have been gone from here since January, and there are over 11,000 posts. I suspect that I am not going to try and read every one of them...

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No, the Tanach does not teach that all who are not Jews are only born to serve Jews etc.
You're ignorant.

Tanach says various things attributed to various patriarchs at different points in the history of the evolving Yahudi community but remember even a seemingly benign revelation coming after a savage or an intolerant one where the same subject matter is concerned is mostly based on tribalism meaning that what's good for the tribe is to be done and it is never meant in a secular or in a universal or a global context - the good to be done with respect to goyim should be done to make gains for the community or to safeguard the interests of the community . It does not say - all paths to Truth are equal nor does it say that any form of worship is the same as El worship nor does it say that any other typal being other than El is G-d nor does it say that the prophets of other faiths are equal to the Hebrew patriarchs and so on.

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The ex-Jew concept makes no sense. Jews had their identity long before Judaism.

Do you share your progenitors religious beliefs?

If you do not share their beliefs, are you now an ex-son of your parents and grandparents etc?

How do the descendants of Israel become his ex-descendants?
Your reptilian brain has failed to understand the logic.

Anyway, believe what you will but don't disturb the peace nor go around imposing your fanatical beliefs on others and above all do good, better and best to your own self and to others irrespective of faith, race, socio-economic status and nationality.

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Two non-Jews, who hate Jews, and have no first-hand knowledge of Jews or Judaism ... arguing what they believe to be the beliefs, nature and practices of Judaism.

Comedy Gold!

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Liam R wrote:
Wow. I have been gone from here since January, and there are over 11,000 posts. I suspect that I am not going to try and read every one of them...
I'd advise against it. There is a surgeon general's warning against reading too many posts in this thread in succession.

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