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Voluntarist

United States

#56869 Aug 16, 2013
yehoshooah adam wrote:
logically no one can answer that question, without knowing what either is the specified primary or secondary device is.
firefighters even in different parts of the county have their own lingo, just like doctors and other professionals and non-professionals have their own terminology.
even the terminology in schools and colleges, does not fit that well in the terminology of the actual work places. a scientist can even go to england, and have no idea what they are talking about at first.
i am not about to guess, or play 40 questions. get me the email of the firefighter, who said that and i'll ask him.
for all i know, a screwdriver or jaws of life, could have been a secondary device. in nuclear weapons, i know what the secondary device is. but i don't think, the firefighter meant that either.
but there comes a time, when any rational person. has to terminate a discussion, with an irrational person. when it gets as bad, as arguing with a highly prejudiced muslim.
And the burnt cars on 9/11
Are you sure that your theory of a collapse holds true?
Check out these images;
http://www.google.com/images...
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#56870 Aug 16, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Here is some eye witness accounts and a demolitions expert;
http://m.youtube.com/watch...
rabbee: it showed the building, collapsing exactly as i described. don't care about all the bs. look at the video, without the bs involved. it revealed, everything i said.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#56871 Aug 16, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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And the burnt cars on 9/11
Are you sure that your theory of a collapse holds true?
Check out these images;
http://www.google.com/images...
rabbee: do you realize that even one of your alleged burnt cars, is a picture of cars burned in Afghanistan? my memory is not, as short term as yours.

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#56872 Aug 16, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Interesting considering that in the past you claim not to drink alcohol.
Alcohol would be a tea liqueur.

Get it?

I have never tasted alcohol.

I used the term tea liquor as a synonym for the brew/infusion/concoction obtained from tea leaves and water and condiments.

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#56874 Aug 16, 2013
yehoshooah adam wrote:
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the university of Berkley among others.
University of California at Berkeley? LMAO.

You're not fit enough to clear high school math, physics and chem.

I'm really laughing at you, retard.

The top achievers from the IITs sail into UCB, MIT, Stanford, Cornell, Princeton and other elite US universities after completion of the undergrad degree from the IITs.

Anyway.

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#56875 Aug 16, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Here is some eye witness accounts and a demolitions expert;
http://m.youtube.com/watch...
It's of no use attempting to make the fanatical Jews see reason despite all the evidence and logic concerning the truth behind 9/11.

They'll keep denying it and taunt anyone who tries to expose the truth because once it comes out in the open that the 9/11 incident was executed by intel agencies linked to Israel and to the US, the vanguard role of Israel in 9/11 will be fully exposed as will its role in other false flags like the Lavon Affair and so on and so for these hardcore Zionists to admit that Israel is a terrorist state is worse than say swallowing poison.

Al Qaeda is a CIA-Mossad front that uses Arab dupes and shills like Osama Laden (expired) and others at the top leadership and it cleverly makes use of the services of disgruntled Muslim youth at the lower cadres who've been brainwashed into believing they're fighting a true jihad against the infidels. LOL.

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#56876 Aug 17, 2013
This touching Hindi film song sung by a brother for his estranged sister is dedicated to my late sister, Tina - gorgeous-looking, talented, headstrong, hard-hearted who turned to alcohol towards the last stage of her short life to drown her struggle with certain aspects of her domestic life. Tina died last year in a horrific car crash in Vancouver; she was drunk while driving at high speed. She is survived by her husband, Aaron, and son, Amar Joshua,(who at present lives with his grandparents in Tel Aviv). Tina, tanuach beshalom al mishkava. Will always remember you. Peace.

HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#56877 Aug 17, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Includes both - species and type of slaughter. It also includes preparation and cooking. So no, pigs cant be kosher.
HughBe-- I read something that gave me the impression that Kosher has to do with methodology and not so much with the type of meat eaten.

Frijoles---Includes both - species and type of slaughter. It also includes preparation and cooking. So NO, pigs cant be kosher

HughBe--- Are you sure that pork is NOT kosher?

Read and explain the extract below with emphasis on paragraph 1. Reading paragraph 1 suggests to me that kosher speaks to methodology. Note NON-KOSHER PORK is banned but NOT pork consumption and sale.

"In fact, due to a law that BANS the import of NON-KOSHER-kosher meat, ALL of the PORK sold in Israel is RAISED and processed in the HOLY Land.

"Of the 30 operational pig-breeding farms in Israel which, according to the ministry of agriculture, breed around 150,000 new pigs each year, almost all are located in the Arab region of Iblin. These farms produce and sell pork to supermarkets and independent shops catering to non-kosher tastes."
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#56879 Aug 17, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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as well as eating. I.E. dont mix dairy with meat during the meal.
Very good of you but YOU have repeatedly stated that you do eat FORBIDDEN flesh and based on what I am now understanding it seems that it could be ALLOWED by your god-men/rabbis but NOT by God.

“Act Interdimensional ly”

Since: Jan 08

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#56880 Aug 17, 2013
I don't think I've seen anyone spend so much time twisting the facts to condemn Judaism since "Der Sturmer" went out of publication.

It's like watching Reed Richards play Twister.

“Act Interdimensional ly”

Since: Jan 08

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#56881 Aug 17, 2013
Shavua Tov, y'all
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#56882 Aug 17, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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On an unrelated tangent, I just finished a book on the history of pirates in the Caribbean. "The Republic of Pirates". Great book though a little detailed. Never knew much about the subject. Jamaica sure had a colorful history. Though the action was in the Bahamas.
Did you know that pirate ships were democratic and almost socialist? That most (but not all) of the pirates used fear as a tactic but werent even particularly violent?
And that in many cases, blacks were considered equals among the sailors (though slaves were still handled as property in other cases).
HughBe---Speaking about restaurants..Thank you.

Frijoles---On an unrelated tangent, I just finished a book on the history of pirates in the Caribbean. "The Republic of Pirates". Great book though a little detailed. Never knew much about the subject. Jamaica sure had a colorful history. Though the action was in the Bahamas.

HughBe---- Very good to hear about Jamaica's colourful history.
Did you know that America has a very BLACK history?

Frijoles---Did you know that pirate ships were democratic and almost socialist?

HughBe--- When your survival and your very life is dependent on others then artificial barriers e.g. RACE, CLASS etc vanish. Did you know this?

Think about war. How important are RACE and CLASS to soldiers who fight side by side on battlefields? In such circumstances as in the case of pirates the BROTHERHOOD of humanity is important.

On the other hand when one group wants to dominate, exploit and rob others then they FABRICATE justifications to deceive their own selves.



Frijoles---And that in many cases, blacks were considered equals among the sailors (though slaves were still handled as property in other cases).

HughBe--- Were white slaves given special treatment?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#56883 Aug 17, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
I don't think I've seen anyone spend so much time twisting the facts to condemn Judaism since "Der Sturmer" went out of publication.
It's like watching Reed Richards play Twister.
Rick---I don't think I've seen anyone spend so much time twisting the facts to condemn Judaism ..

HughBe---Greetings Ricky, please explain the quote and its implications. Note, don't TWIST the implications just say them in keeping with your intelligence and level of understanding.

"In fact, due to a law that bans the import of non-kosher meat, all of the pork sold in Israel is raised and processed in the Holy Land. "

“Act Interdimensional ly”

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#56884 Aug 17, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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..."In fact, due to a law that bans the import of non-kosher meat, all of the pork sold in Israel is raised and processed in the Holy Land. "
You say that like it's a bad thing. Israel isn't a theocracy, it's a democracy.

The purpose of Israel is to make one place in the world where it's OK and, relatively, easier to live as a Jew. But, because we're (meaning Jews) not a hive of mindless automatons, it's also a place were a Jew is free to live has he or she chooses.

Now, I can understand how the concept of allowing people to live as they choose and do as they choose is incomprehensible to a Xtian -- given your history of burning heretics at the stake -- but you must have read about secular democracy and have some idea how it functions to the benefit of its citizens, right?

However, being weaned on the concepts of original sin, eternal damnation, and the like, I fully understand why something as logical and life-affirming as Judaism is completely beyond your grasp.

Don't try to get us, it's way above your pay grade.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#56885 Aug 17, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
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You say that like it's a bad thing. Israel isn't a theocracy, it's a democracy.
The purpose of Israel is to make one place in the world where it's OK and, relatively, easier to live as a Jew. But, because we're (meaning Jews) not a hive of mindless automatons, it's also a place were a Jew is free to live has he or she chooses.
Now, I can understand how the concept of allowing people to live as they choose and do as they choose is incomprehensible to a Xtian -- given your history of burning heretics at the stake -- but you must have read about secular democracy and have some idea how it functions to the benefit of its citizens, right?
However, being weaned on the concepts of original sin, eternal damnation, and the like, I fully understand why something as logical and life-affirming as Judaism is completely beyond your grasp.
Don't try to get us, it's way above your pay grade.
1. You have FAILED to explain the quote. Recall, "In fact, due to a law that bans the import of non-kosher meat, all of the pork sold in Israel is raised and processed in the Holy Land. "

2. You and your masters have misled the the Jewish people in many many ways.

3. God COMMANDS, don't eat PORK.

4. Your FALSE assertion i.e. "being weaned on the concepts of original sin" has been noted.

5.I am NOT trying to get anyone as you have so FALSELY suggested.

6. I have no doubt that your masters earn more than I do but I am equally certain that they are BELOW my pay grade in INTELLIGENCE and INTEGRITY.

7. When you say that "I fully understand why something as logical and life-affirming as Judaism is completely beyond your grasp.", it tells me that your god-men have done a marvelous job in keeping you and others like you in a state of BLINDNESS and STUPOR.

HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#56886 Aug 17, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
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You say that like it's a bad thing. Israel isn't a theocracy, it's a democracy.
The purpose of Israel is to make one place in the world where it's OK and, relatively, easier to live as a Jew. But, because we're (meaning Jews) not a hive of mindless automatons, it's also a place were a Jew is free to live has he or she chooses.
Now, I can understand how the concept of allowing people to live as they choose and do as they choose is incomprehensible to a Xtian -- given your history of burning heretics at the stake -- but you must have read about secular democracy and have some idea how it functions to the benefit of its citizens, right?
However, being weaned on the concepts of original sin, eternal damnation, and the like, I fully understand why something as logical and life-affirming as Judaism is completely beyond your grasp.
Don't try to get us, it's way above your pay grade.
Oh Ricky, is there such a thing as kosher pork?

Is the word kosher a word that is tied to RELIGION or is it a secular democratic word?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#56887 Aug 17, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
<quoted text>
You say that like it's a bad thing. Israel isn't a theocracy, it's a democracy.
The purpose of Israel is to make one place in the world where it's OK and, relatively, easier to live as a Jew. But, because we're (meaning Jews) not a hive of mindless automatons, it's also a place were a Jew is free to live has he or she chooses.
Now, I can understand how the concept of allowing people to live as they choose and do as they choose is incomprehensible to a Xtian -- given your history of burning heretics at the stake -- but you must have read about secular democracy and have some idea how it functions to the benefit of its citizens, right?
However, being weaned on the concepts of original sin, eternal damnation, and the like, I fully understand why something as logical and life-affirming as Judaism is completely beyond your grasp.
Don't try to get us, it's way above your pay grade.
I SHALL expose the EVIL that the rabbis have done to the Jewish people and there is NOTHING that either you or them can do about it. Why? it is ABOVE your pay grades.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#56888 Aug 17, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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HughBe-- I read something that gave me the impression that Kosher has to do with methodology and not so much with the type of meat eaten.
Frijoles---Includes both - species and type of slaughter. It also includes preparation and cooking. So NO, pigs cant be kosher
HughBe--- Are you sure that pork is NOT kosher?
Read and explain the extract below with emphasis on paragraph 1. Reading paragraph 1 suggests to me that kosher speaks to methodology. Note NON-KOSHER PORK is banned but NOT pork consumption and sale.
"In fact, due to a law that BANS the import of NON-KOSHER-kosher meat, ALL of the PORK sold in Israel is RAISED and processed in the HOLY Land.
"Of the 30 operational pig-breeding farms in Israel which, according to the ministry of agriculture, breed around 150,000 new pigs each year, almost all are located in the Arab region of Iblin. These farms produce and sell pork to supermarkets and independent shops catering to non-kosher tastes."
Doofus - there is no prohibition about religious Jews raising unkosher food for sale to others.

Also, Israel is not a theocracy (though it has its leanings). So there is no civil law against any Jew choosing to eat unkosher. Or any civil law against anyone raising any food (provided it meets public health standards as in any country).

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#56889 Aug 17, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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I SHALL expose the EVIL that the rabbis have done to the Jewish people and there is NOTHING that either you or them can do about it. Why? it is ABOVE your pay grades.
Doofus- you asked a question and RM and I answered it in good faith.

Why do you have to go all Nazi on us?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#56890 Aug 17, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Frijoles---Did you know that pirate ships were democratic and almost socialist?
HughBe--- When your survival and your very life is dependent on others then artificial barriers e.g. RACE, CLASS etc vanish. Did you know this?
Think about war. How important are RACE and CLASS to soldiers who fight side by side on battlefields? In such circumstances as in the case of pirates the BROTHERHOOD of humanity is important.
On the other hand when one group wants to dominate, exploit and rob others then they FABRICATE justifications to deceive their own selves.
You missed the point. As usual.

Contrast the pirate ships with the naval and merchant ships of the period. In the latter, the admin was not democratic. Captains and ship owners got 90% of the take, sailors were paid nothing and or involuntarily pressed into service and had NO say over decision making.

There was nothing particularly dangerous or more dangerous about being a pirate either. Most got away with it, and violence was rarely used.

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