Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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former res

Cheshire, CT

#53111 May 23, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Ahh no, I know what alex jones says, he has had on as a guest the military guy that manipulated weather during the Vietnam war, he stated that they have the ability to increase the intensity of storms as well as the ability to decrease intensity, funny how they never decide to decrease the intensity of storms, that could save lives.
All of which is true, now if you think that they are still stuck in the 1960's with weather weapon technology you are the one that eeds their head checked.
I had heard somewhere that they looked into (and maybe even tried to) "seed" clouds to increase rain in areas that needed it.

Why would the gov't in your view only attempt destructive rather than constructive effects to the weather?

To what end?

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#53112 May 23, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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You cant answer a simple question.
It would help if you posed it.

Want to try again?

second time is the charm

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#53113 May 23, 2013
former res wrote:
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I had heard somewhere that they looked into (and maybe even tried to) "seed" clouds to increase rain in areas that needed it.
Why would the gov't in your view only attempt destructive rather than constructive effects to the weather?
To what end?
Seeding clouds has been around for years...I dont think its ever been successful.

It wouldnt suprise me that someone was working on it as a military application. Especially in the 60s. Age of space travel and what not.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#53114 May 23, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Do you ascribe to the statement "never let a good crisis go to waste"?
You mean like when W enacted the Patriot Act after 9/11 and added the dept of Homeland Security, TSA etc?

The folks on the right all play on fear and ignorance.

The conspiracy nuts mostly just on the latter.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#53115 May 23, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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FR doesnt frequent the Allah thread
A while back you admitted that people at home call you Christian, then you made no effort to refute their label
Thats good enough for me as a confession - not that there was any doubt
Frijoles---To QUOTE you(HughBe) in past posts "I am a Christian."

Frijoles now---A while back you ADMITTED that PEOPLE at home CALL you Christian

HughBe--- Dr. Flocker both statements are IRRECONCILABLE.

First you STATED that you were QUOTING me, recall "I am a Christian." and NOW you have CHANGED it to, I have admitted that people call me a Christian. Are you a FULL moron or a 99% moron?

If I call you a woman, does that make you a woman? Please don't think in terms of how you FUNCTION as a woman that is not being disputed or discussed.

former res

Cheshire, CT

#53116 May 23, 2013
former res wrote:
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I was looking for the name of the demonization, not just the broad description of Christian. For example, Methodist, Catholic etc. What sect?
I promise not to come and find you.
Talk about a Freudian slip.

I meant "denomination!"

Spell check.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#53117 May 23, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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What masters? The only master I have is my dog.
Are you always a paranoid type?
HughBe--Why have your masters taught you and others to TRAMPLE on the commandment THOU SHALL NOT LIE?

Frijoles---What masters?

HughBe-- Those who you follow as their BLIND DUMB sheep. Your pharaohs/rabbis.

Frijoles--- The only master I have is my DOG.

HughBe--- Do you provide daily SERVICE for your DOG? Is that legal in your neck of the hole?

BTW, today is called Labour Day in Jamaica and it is a public holiday.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#53118 May 23, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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No you are missing the point, I am not politically affiliated, Obama is , he accepts and is subject to the various jurisdictions, he took that public collectivist office.
And in your mind Bush is a war criminal based on the same facts.
Apples and oranges.

Beside, history tells us the victors are not prosecuted for war crimes.

Generally speaking.

Individual acts, yes - but not the top folks.

W is safe.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#53119 May 23, 2013
former res wrote:
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I was looking for the name of the demonization, not just the broad description of Christian. For example, Methodist, Catholic etc. What sect?
I promise not to come and find you.
Former---I was looking for the name of the demonization..

HughBe--- Look in the mirror and there you shall see the answer.

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#53120 May 23, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Former---I was looking for the name of the demonization..
HughBe--- Look in the mirror and there you shall see the answer.
Thats not fair. I thought I was the delegated EVIL ONE here.

FR isnt even Jewish!

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#53121 May 23, 2013
Oops I meant DESIGNATED evil one

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#53122 May 23, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Frijoles---To QUOTE you(HughBe) in past posts "I am a Christian."
Frijoles now---A while back you ADMITTED that PEOPLE at home CALL you Christian
HughBe--- Dr. Flocker both statements are IRRECONCILABLE.
First you STATED that you were QUOTING me, recall "I am a Christian." and NOW you have CHANGED it to, I have admitted that people call me a Christian. Are you a FULL moron or a 99% moron?
If I call you a woman, does that make you a woman? Please don't think in terms of how you FUNCTION as a woman that is not being disputed or discussed.
What matters to most of us are actions (in this case your stated beliefs) not labels

Your core theological beliefs are consistent to what the rest of the world would consider Christian.

Thats good enuf for us. Lets be practical and real.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#53123 May 23, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Seeding clouds has been around for years...I dont think its ever been successful.
It wouldnt suprise me that someone was working on it as a military application. Especially in the 60s. Age of space travel and what not.
I guess this could have been considered a conspiracy to terrorize the population if you happened to live in a colony populated by the 'Wicked Witches of the North.'
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#53124 May 23, 2013
former res wrote:
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Any ancient words from your scrolls, scripture, word-of-mouth etc mean nothing to me.
Any and all of these words could have been written by an old, muddled philosopher by candlelight while he sipped whiskey and/smoked a fat joint.
And you cannot prove this is not so.
And yet you accept this religion as your own.
That's your choice but don't ask me to interpret meaningless text.
Unless and until you can prove the text is of some significance in its origin and/or meaning/relevance.
Do you also give this church a lot of your money? Just curious.
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See above re my view on your scripture.
I also don't understand every fairy tale I read or hear about but that doesn't bother my much either.
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You tell him that Judaism is not the religion of the Jews when clearly it is.
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It is if you wish to be a force for good in the universe rather than a pimple on the ass of harmony and progress.
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Written by whom?
Do you have evidence of authorship.(Pure belief does not count.)
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I also stopped being Catholic.
People are free to cancel or change their beliefs.
Does not change the ethnoreligious history of the Jews.
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Not at all. As I said above, one can choose any religion to follow or none at all.
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It's an ethnoreligious group. This is widely know and accepted.
Except by you.
Is your WHOLE religion based on this concept?
HughBe--- Are you saying that the word OF holds significant meaning ONLY for believers? You were plainly asked, What is the meaning of the word OF?

Former--Any ancient words from your scrolls, scripture, word-of-mouth etc mean nothing to me.

HughBe--- OF is an ancient word and that explains why it has no meaning to you.

Former--Any and all of these words could have been written by an old, muddled philosopher by candlelight .....

HughBe--- IRRELEVANT and does not explain your INABILITY to explain a BIG word like OF.

Do you ever use the word OF? Have you ever spoken in this way, the car OF John?

Former---That's your choice but don't ask me to interpret meaningless text.

HughBe--- OF is quite meaningful to those who read and write but I accept your limitations.

Former--Unless and until you can prove the text is of some significance in its origin and/or meaning/relevance.

HughBe--- You cannot explain OF how can you grasp far more complex concepts.

Former---Do you also give this church a lot of your money? Just curious.

HughBe--- why your obsession with this topic?

Former---I also don't understand every FAIRY TALE I read or hear about but that doesn't bother my much either.

HughBe--- WHY do you think that the Jewish people FABRICATED these FAIRY TALES? Why do YOU cast aspersion on the INTEGRITY of the Jewish people?

We are NOT talking about religious dogmas that came out of the orifices of rabbis we are talking about actual EXPERIENCES of the Jewish people.

Former---You tell him that Judaism is not the religion of the Jews when clearly it is.

HughBe--- LIAR. I have said that it is the religion of many Jews. I have also said that some Jews are CHRISTIANS whether or NOT you like it. I have also indirectly said to you that the JEWS who were of the tribe of DAN did NOT follow JUDAISM and in fact were IDOLATERS for approximately 700 years.

Explain - And the children of Dan set up the graven image: and Jonathan, the son of Gershom, the son of Manasseh, he and his sons were priests to the tribe of Dan until the day of the captivity of the land."



Former--I also stopped being Catholic.

HughBe--- Are YOU ethno-religious?

Former----People are free to cancel or change their beliefs.

HughBe--- And YOU have the right to INSIST that they are still RELIGIOUS even when they have rejected religion.

Former--Does not change the ethnoreligious history of the Jews.

HUghBe--- Your agenda is NOT TRUTH instead it consists of LIES and DECEPTION.

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#53125 May 23, 2013
former res wrote:
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I guess this could have been considered a conspiracy to terrorize the population if you happened to live in a colony populated by the 'Wicked Witches of the North.'
Or Gremlins

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gremlins

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#53126 May 23, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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HughBe--- Are you saying that the word OF holds significant meaning ONLY for believers? You were plainly asked, What is the meaning of the word OF?
Former--Any ancient words from your scrolls, scripture, word-of-mouth etc mean nothing to me.
HughBe--- OF is an ancient word and that explains why it has no meaning to you.
Former--Any and all of these words could have been written by an old, muddled philosopher by candlelight .....
HughBe--- IRRELEVANT and does not explain your INABILITY to explain a BIG word like OF.
Do you ever use the word OF? Have you ever spoken in this way, the car OF John?
Former---That's your choice but don't ask me to interpret meaningless text.
HughBe--- OF is quite meaningful to those who read and write but I accept your limitations.
Former--Unless and until you can prove the text is of some significance in its origin and/or meaning/relevance.
HughBe--- You cannot explain OF how can you grasp far more complex concepts.
Former---Do you also give this church a lot of your money? Just curious.
HughBe--- why your obsession with this topic?
Former---I also don't understand every FAIRY TALE I read or hear about but that doesn't bother my much either.
HughBe--- WHY do you think that the Jewish people FABRICATED these FAIRY TALES? Why do YOU cast aspersion on the INTEGRITY of the Jewish people?
We are NOT talking about religious dogmas that came out of the orifices of rabbis we are talking about actual EXPERIENCES of the Jewish people.
Former---You tell him that Judaism is not the religion of the Jews when clearly it is.
HughBe--- LIAR. I have said that it is the religion of many Jews. I have also said that some Jews are CHRISTIANS whether or NOT you like it. I have also indirectly said to you that the JEWS who were of the tribe of DAN did NOT follow JUDAISM and in fact were IDOLATERS for approximately 700 years.
Explain - And the children of Dan set up the graven image: and Jonathan, the son of Gershom, the son of Manasseh, he and his sons were priests to the tribe of Dan until the day of the captivity of the land."
Former--I also stopped being Catholic.
HughBe--- Are YOU ethno-religious?
Former----People are free to cancel or change their beliefs.
HughBe--- And YOU have the right to INSIST that they are still RELIGIOUS even when they have rejected religion.
Former--Does not change the ethnoreligious history of the Jews.
HUghBe--- Your agenda is NOT TRUTH instead it consists of LIES and DECEPTION.
Why do you spend energy on this?

Its past the point of absurd.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#53127 May 23, 2013
HughBe---Is it RIGHT to have SEX with a 3 year old child?

Former---What is the connection?

HughBe---Follow closely. I said, I take it that you call wrong RIGHT plus to call wrong wrong does not equate to HATING any person or group.

Simplifying for YOU, my focus was on RIGHT and WRONG and to call each correctly is NOT hate.

Then in an inexplicable way YOU introduce RACE and there is no RIGHT and WRONG with RACE, simpleton.

Recall your BS, "And yet if someone called being black wrong you would call him a racist.
THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE."

How can there be no difference between RIGHT and WRONG and the matter of RACE?

That is the LINK. My focus was on RIGHT and WRONG and so my question, Is it RIGHT to have SEX with a 3 year old child?

Finally let whoever calls being BLACK wrong declare what is RIGHT and explain and support their HATE position.

HUghBe---How does BLACK impact on you and others apart from making you feel TINY?

Former---How does ones sexuality impact/affect you?

HughBe--- Question DODGED as usual. In many ways for example IDIOTS like you will tell lies on me because I DISAGREE with HOMOSEXUALITY.

Example, calling me homophobic just because I don't accept the NASTY practice. I neither FEAR which is what a PHOBIA is nor HATE homosexuals. Recall your LYING words "You are a homophobe."

Former--Are you beginning to understand?

HughBE--- Your agenda and ways are fully understood long ago.

Former--You are a homophobe.

HughBe--- I do NOT fear homosexuals. I do NOT hate homosexuals. I am attracted to people who have good and pleasant personalities be they HOMOSEXUALS or straight.

Former---Definition of HOMOPHOBIA
: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals

Not only fear. It says Huggy is an example. It's in a footnote.

HughBe--- Gay fellow,I neither FEAR homosexuals nor do I DISCRIMINATE against them. I believe that the CRIMINAL minded nastiness that pushes these LIES on people should be LOCKED up.

HughBe --However, HOMOSEXUALITY remains WRONG and a SIN.

Former--Says who? Prove who said this and explain
why you believe it.

HughBe--- I just said it. The proof is beyond the scope of your comprehension skills.

Former---Are you saying it is wrong BECAUSE you think it's a sin or is there also some other reason why you say it is wrong??

HughBe-- It is a SIN because it transgresses God's law.

Former---I believe you know it your heart that your beliefs are wrong.

HughBe--- what are you smoking?

Former---Why don't you choose to "come out" to us as a thinking person? We will welcome you gladly.

HughBe--- I promise you, I will "come out" in a thousand lifetimes from now. Please wait it will be worth the wait.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#53128 May 23, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Thats not fair. I thought I was the delegated EVIL ONE here.
FR isnt even Jewish!
Former---I was looking for the name of the demonization..

HughBe--- Look in the mirror and there you shall see the answer.

Frijoles--Thats not fair. I thought I was the delegated EVIL ONE here.

FR isnt even Jewish!

HughBe--- Read with understanding and don't slip JEWISH into where it does not belong. I shall deal with such underhand nastiness severely.

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#53129 May 23, 2013
HughBe wrote:
HughBe--- I promise you, I will "come out" in a thousand lifetimes from now. Please wait it will be worth the wait.
You aspire to be a zombie?

Really?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#53130 May 23, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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What matters to most of us are actions (in this case your stated beliefs) not labels
Your core theological beliefs are consistent to what the rest of the world would consider Christian.
Thats good enuf for us. Lets be practical and real.
What are my theological beliefs?

Do you know that they are found in the scriptures ONLY?

Had you embraced the scriptures ONLY then based on what you are saying YOU would be a Christian but alas your god-men have fabricated their own laws and have subordinated the laws of their Maker to their own laws.

What makes you feel that I have to accept anything that you and the ENTIRE world says?

As long as I am alive I shall REJECT all that is the world that I think are WRONG including labels and practices.

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