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May 22, 2013
 
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Who are YOU to label me?
Now, I can tell YOU and your masters who JEWS are based on HISTORY, FACTS and also on how non-religious Jews classify themselves.
The WARPED definition of your masters are only accepted by the BLIND like you.
Reality says something far different from what the pharaohs of Judasim say. Science and the DNA testings also contradict your self-serving god-men.
Finally, God Almighty calls them LIARS.
Are you not Jamaican and Christian?

Stop frothing at the mouth, it is not attractive.

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Frijoles---ethno-religious - we have been down this explanation too many times already.
HughBe--- Correct and repeating your LIES will not change the FACTS.
Again, it is a FACT that Judaism does NOT make them Jews. One proof is below.
Now, Judahite, defender of LIES and DECEPTION, explain the passages below and link it to your LIE that JUDAISM makes one a JEW.
Help: Is the worship of GRAVEN IMAGES acceptable to Judaism. Is that Judaism? Note, the Danites worshipped IMAGES for HUNDREDS of years, DECEIVER.
" And they called the name of the city Dan, after the name of Dan their father, who was born unto Israel: howbeit the name of the city was Laish at the first.
30 And the children of Dan set up the GRAVEN image: and Jonathan, the son of Gershom, the son of Manasseh, he and his sons were priests to the tribe of Dan until the day of the CAPTIVITY of the land." Judges 18
Its not my lies - its the accepted concept

Noone but you pushes your notions
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May 22, 2013
 
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Its not my lies - its the accepted concept
Noone but you pushes your notions
Frijoles---Noone but you pushes your notions

HughBe--- If you are correct then ALL others are BLIND DUMB sheep. Walk in the light while I am with you for I will not always be with you.

I shall repeat, it is a FACT that Judaism does NOT make any SEED of Israel an Israelite or Jew.

Any IDIOT knows this axiomatic statement to be TRUE, except for rabbis. Why are they SPECIAL idiots?

Now go get the brightest of your rabbis to explain the passages below and tell them to show how it proves me wrong and their LIE right.

I now challenge ALL of your brainless deceiving dim-witted rabbis.

Help: Is the worship of GRAVEN IMAGES acceptable to Judaism. Is that Judaism? Note, the Danites worshipped IMAGES for HUNDREDS of years, DECEIVER.

Am I correct that your deceiving rabbis say that if Jews are into IDOLATRY they are NOT Jews? YES, I am so let those self-serving instruments of Satan explain the passages below and link it to their LIE.

" And they called the name of the city Dan, after the name of Dan their father, who was born unto Israel: howbeit the name of the city was Laish at the first.

30 And the children of Dan set up the GRAVEN image: and Jonathan, the son of Gershom, the son of Manasseh, he and his sons were priests to the tribe of Dan until the day of the CAPTIVITY of the land." Judges 18:29-30
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May 22, 2013
 
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Are you not Jamaican and Christian?
Stop frothing at the mouth, it is not attractive.
Frijoles---What is a Jew? Ask a Jew, not a Jamaican Christian

HughBe--- Using your argument, are YOU a Christian? If not who the .... are you to speak?

What is a Christian? Ask a Christian Jew or Christian non-Jew, not a Judahite.

Frijoles---Are you not Jamaican and Christian?

HughBe--- Who are YOU to label me, Judahite?

Finally, as uncomfortable as it is for YOU an ATHEIST Jew will NEVER call himself or herself ethno-RELIGIOUS. Think about, dim-witted Dr. Flocker.

S/he will identify herself or himself as ETHNIC Jews.
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May 22, 2013
 
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Difference is that Bush destroyed America's image as protector. The US have done many dubious things throughout history (covert operations, Nagasaki, Hiroshima, Mujahadeen etc etc the list goes on). But the reputation as the protector of the weak and defender of the righteous was still in tact until GW Bush's presidency.
Now America is considered an antagonistic element in an already politically sensitive gloabl arena.
The one thing you should thank Obama for is giving the US some credibility again on the world stage.
But, the world also saw how Americans reacted to having a black man in the white house and it wasn't pretty. The accusations of terrorism, islamic fundamentalism, that he hates whites, that he hates christianity and wants to destroy america were shocking to a world who has been told that democratic elections are the only path to societal order.
But we saw thousands of Americans saying that they wanted to secede from the United States rather than be presided over by this democratically elected black man.
As a sociologist it was very interesting to watch.
If you like socialism so much why dont you move to Venezuela?
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You accept international law.
How about the UN?
World Bank etc. Int'l Monetary Fund?
BTW - how did our President break the law? by finally getting UBL?
Torture is still going on.
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You accept international law.
How about the UN?
World Bank etc. Int'l Monetary Fund?
BTW - how did our President break the law? by finally getting UBL?
Your logic is off, obummer accepted his office and took an oath, has nothing to do with my beliefs.
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May 22, 2013
 
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enhance and weaken
Hmmmmm...doesnt sound like control to me
con·trolled, con·trol·ling, con·trols
1. To exercise authoritative or dominating influence over; direct. See Synonyms at conduct.
2. To adjust to a requirement; regulate: controlled trading on the stock market; controls the flow of water.
3. To hold in restraint; check: struggled to control my temper.
So cloud seeding is a government plot? Keep that darn Gobernmint outta my clouds!
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Your own definition uses the term "direct", I believe that is possible as well.
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May 23, 2013
 
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HughBe--- Good for you. Explain the meaning of "Spirit of God moved..." Is that the same as saying, God moved? What is the difference? What is the meaning of the word OF?
It holds significant meaning only for believers such as yourself. To me, these are only words a human being wrote many years ago.
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Former--Again, this is your personal faith.
HughBe--- Really? what I say can be found in the scriptures and UNDERSTOOD with very basic comprehension skills.
Again to me, only ancient words recorded by man.
To you evidently, much more. To each his own my shiny friend.
I do not think less of you for believing in fairy tales.
You generally mean no harm until you begin to tell Frijoles what his religion is and isn't. stick to your own beliefs and allow others to do the same.
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Former--Faith is defined as "belief without evidence."
HughBe--- opinion noted. Scriptures say otherwise. "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."
We discussed the meaning of 'scripture' to each of us respectively.
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Former--You would be better off not commenting on the beliefs that others hold just as dearly as you hold your own.
HughBe--- How would I be better off?
Live and let live.
believe and let others do the same
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Former--None of you really have a leg to stand in terms of reality.
HughBe--- My leg is what is WRITTEN and that can be understood by even the simple.
You have no evidence to support the reality of your beliefs.
This is why we call it faith.
Do you understand this?
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HughBe--- You have made your choice and your current lack of religious beliefs surely does not take away from the beliefs of your parents.
Same with non-believing Jews.
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However, none of this change the FACT that many Jews are ATHEISTS and AGNOSTICS and so hold no RELIGIOUS affiliation including JUDAISM. Can YOU respect their CHOICE?
Of course. Look at me.
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The children of these JEWS will surely not be taught about any God or gods by their parents.
ok
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Can you RESPECT them and their approach without trying to FORCE a RELIGIOUS link upon them?
of course
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HughBe---I take it that you call wrong RIGHT, I am not like you. So once again, to call wrong wrong does not equate to HATING any person or group. Please THINK, it will not hurt you.
And yet if someone called being black wrong you would call him a racist.

There is no difference.

You are a homophobe.

At the very least, you need to accept this truth.

ps...what is the name of you religious club?
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Who are YOU to label me?
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It is YOU who is attempting to re-label Jews.

We have established that you are Jamaican and we have established that you are Christian.

Therefore you are a Jamaican Christian.

Who is also a homophobe (who blames this fact on his religion).

A religion you refuse to name.

Probably out of fear of the gay Jews coming to find you!

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Voluntarist wrote:
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Torture is still going on.
You accept international law.
How about the UN?
World Bank etc. Int'l Monetary Fund?
BTW - how did our President break the law? by finally getting UBL?
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ATF's mentor - Alex Jones - the brain behind Infowars:

Via Raw Story:

Conspiracy talk show host Alex Jones, increasingly a favorite of conservative media for his extremely vocal support of gun rights, outed himself Tuesday as a tornado truther by telling a caller on his show,“Of course there’s weather weapons stuff going on.”
Jones, a longtime proponent of the idea that the U.S. government can manipulate and even produce weather systems like tornadoes and hurricanes, went on to say that if people saw helicopters or small aircraft in the area, then “you better bet your bottom dollar they did this.”

“But, who knows if they did?” he asked.“You know, that’s the thing. We don’t know.”
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Voluntarist wrote:
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Your logic is off, obummer accepted his office and took an oath, has nothing to do with my beliefs.
You stated "He [Obama] is a war criminal aka international law. "

To me this seems to indicate you accept the legitimacy of int'l law.

So please respond to the questions I asked. Thank you

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It is YOU who is attempting to re-label Jews.
We have established that you are Jamaican and we have established that you are Christian.
Therefore you are a Jamaican Christian.
Who is also a homophobe (who blames this fact on his religion).
A religion you refuse to name.
Probably out of fear of the gay Jews coming to find you!
:))
Oy Th'vay!

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Frijoles---Noone but you pushes your notions
HughBe--- If you are correct then ALL others are BLIND DUMB sheep. Walk in the light while I am with you for I will not always be with you.
I shall repeat, it is a FACT that Judaism does NOT make any SEED of Israel an Israelite or Jew.
Any IDIOT knows this axiomatic statement to be TRUE, except for rabbis. Why are they SPECIAL idiots?
Now go get the brightest of your rabbis to explain the passages below and tell them to show how it proves me wrong and their LIE right.
I now challenge ALL of your brainless deceiving dim-witted rabbis.
Help: Is the worship of GRAVEN IMAGES acceptable to Judaism. Is that Judaism? Note, the Danites worshipped IMAGES for HUNDREDS of years, DECEIVER.
Am I correct that your deceiving rabbis say that if Jews are into IDOLATRY they are NOT Jews? YES, I am so let those self-serving instruments of Satan explain the passages below and link it to their LIE.
" And they called the name of the city Dan, after the name of Dan their father, who was born unto Israel: howbeit the name of the city was Laish at the first.
30 And the children of Dan set up the GRAVEN image: and Jonathan, the son of Gershom, the son of Manasseh, he and his sons were priests to the tribe of Dan until the day of the CAPTIVITY of the land." Judges 18:29-30
relax, mon

noone other you and perhaps your churchmembers buy into your ideas...

and just because you repeat something ten times doesnt make it true

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Frijoles---What is a Jew? Ask a Jew, not a Jamaican Christian
HughBe--- Using your argument, are YOU a Christian? If not who the .... are you to speak?
What is a Christian? Ask a Christian Jew or Christian non-Jew, not a Judahite.
Frijoles---Are you not Jamaican and Christian?
HughBe--- Who are YOU to label me, Judahite?
Finally, as uncomfortable as it is for YOU an ATHEIST Jew will NEVER call himself or herself ethno-RELIGIOUS. Think about, dim-witted Dr. Flocker.
S/he will identify herself or himself as ETHNIC Jews.
To quote you in past posts

"I am a Christian."

foolishness

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Voluntarist wrote:
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Your own definition uses the term "direct", I believe that is possible as well.
Sorry, as usual, I have a hard time buying into your "connections". You appear to have an issue with exaggerated scale of influence.

Even Alex Jones walked away a bit from his comment yesterday. Are you the last man standing? For what?
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You stated "He [Obama] is a war criminal aka international law. "
To me this seems to indicate you accept the legitimacy of int'l law.
So please respond to the questions I asked. Thank you
According to the laws that he abides by, he is.
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Sorry, as usual, I have a hard time buying into your "connections". You appear to have an issue with exaggerated scale of influence.
Even Alex Jones walked away a bit from his comment yesterday. Are you the last man standing? For what?
Operation Popeye (Project Popeye/Motorpool/Intermediary-
Compatriot) was a US military cloud seeding operation (running
from March 20, 1967 until July 5, 1972) during the Vietnam war
to extend the monsoon season over Laos , specifically areas of the
Ho Chi Minh Trail. The operation seeded clouds with silver iodide,
resulting in the targeted areas seeing an extension of the
monsoon period an average of 30 to 45 days. As the continuous
rainfall slowed down the truck traffic, it was considered relatively
successful.[1] The 54th Weather Reconnaissance Squadron carried
out the operation to "make mud, not war." [2]
The resultant rain and subsequent flooding of the nearby Song
Con River is sometimes blamed for the move of POWs from the
prison camp at Son Tay and therefore, the failure of Operation
Ivory Coast .[3]
Overview
Project Popeye was an experiment in increased rainfall through
cloud seeding jointly approved by the U.S. Department of State
and U.S. Department of Defense. The technical aspects of the
experiment were verified by Dr. Donald F. Hornig, Special
Assistant to the President of the United States for Science and
Technology. The government of Laos was not informed of the
project, its methods or its goals.
Robert S. McNamara, U.S. Secretary of Defense, was aware that
there might be objections raised by the international scientific
community but said in a memo to the president that such
objections had not in the past been a basis for prevention of
military activities considered to be in the interests of U.S.
national security.
During October 1966, Project Popeye was tested in a strip of the
Laos panhandle east of the Bolovens Plateau in the Se Kong River
valley. The test was conducted by personnel from the Naval
Ordnance Test Station located at China Lake California. Fifty
cloud seeding experiments were conducted with the result that
82% of the clouds produced rain within a brief period after having
been seeded. It was claimed that one of the clouds drifted across
the Vietnam border and dropped nine inches of rain on a US
special forces camp over a four hour period. After the successful
completion of the test phase, Project Popeye transitioned from an
experiment to an operational program of the U.S. Defense
department.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Pope...

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