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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Voluntarist

United States

#52680 May 17, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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There are a few meanings and uses for fact.
In the scientific world, you can perhaps exchange the word "facts" for "data", and "truth" for conclusion, or even hypothesis. I.E. to adapt that approach back into the nonscientific world, facts are what you reason with to make conclusions (truth).
I think the legal system works the same way.(?)
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ultimate fact n. in a trial, a conclusion of fact which is logically
deduced from evidence ("evidentiary facts"). Example: the evidentiary
facts were that driver Larry Leadfoot a) exceeded the speed limit, b)
drove over the double-line, c) skidded and lost control of his car; the
ultimate fact was, therefore, Leadfoot was negligent. It is essential to
introduce the evidentiary facts during the trial in order to prove the
ultimate fact. A mere statement by a witness that "Leadfoot was
negligent" is not sufficient, since it is an opinion of the witness and is
not evidence.(See: evidence)
Voluntarist

United States

#52681 May 17, 2013
former res wrote:
I should have said:
Something can be factually ACCURATE while not capturing the truth of the thing.
Your statement should read "capture the truth of the whole thing"
Voluntarist

United States

#52682 May 17, 2013
former res wrote:
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True about Congress. We agree on that but we probably disagree about where to cut spending. You folks always want a lot of military spending.
But I do believe in paying ones debts.
Try not to make generalizations "you folks", not me.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#52683 May 17, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Again you imply that if someone sits in a cage that somehow legitimizes a law.
btw Sherman is not a good attorney like others make him out to be.
Re Sherman, Michael Skakel agrees with you.

Remember I told you I'm more of a pragmatist than an idealist?

I pay my taxes like I brush my teeth. Not because I enjoy it.

Makes more sense to do it than to not do it.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#52684 May 17, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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ultimate fact n. in a trial, a conclusion of fact which is logically
deduced from evidence ("evidentiary facts"). Example: the evidentiary
facts were that driver Larry Leadfoot a) exceeded the speed limit, b)
drove over the double-line, c) skidded and lost control of his car; the
ultimate fact was, therefore, Leadfoot was negligent. It is essential to
introduce the evidentiary facts during the trial in order to prove the
ultimate fact. A mere statement by a witness that "Leadfoot was
negligent" is not sufficient, since it is an opinion of the witness and is
not evidence.(See: evidence)
Conversely, for many folks, they have absolutely no facts/evidence that their god exists, but their personal "truth" is that he does and that he hears their prayers.

My truth is that I don't know. And yet I'm operating form the same facts of he case.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#52685 May 17, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Your statement should read "capture the truth of the whole thing"
I tend to think of it more as the essential truth.

You are speaking more legally, as in "the whole truth and nothing but..."

It' a more technical take on it.

Mine being more philosophical.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#52686 May 17, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Try not to make generalizations "you folks", not me.
You either care about poor people or you don't.

You don't.

You and your kind.
Voluntarist

United States

#52687 May 17, 2013
former res wrote:
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Conversely, for many folks, they have absolutely no facts/evidence that their god exists, but their personal "truth" is that he does and that he hears their prayers.
My truth is that I don't know. And yet I'm operating form the same facts of he case.
Same goes for you who believes that the constitution and laws are applicable to you.

If the church put you in a cage you would be a believer.
Voluntarist

United States

#52688 May 17, 2013
former res wrote:
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You either care about poor people or you don't.
You don't.
You and your kind.
Not true I care about poor people but the government doesn't teach a man how to fish
former res

Cheshire, CT

#52689 May 17, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Same goes for you who believes that the constitution and laws are applicable to you.
If the church put you in a cage you would be a believer.
And if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.

I've told you repeatedly that my paying of taxes is not faith-based. It simply seems like the wise thing to do.

But you can continue to frame as a matter of blind faith if it pleases you.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#52690 May 17, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Not true I care about poor people but the government doesn't teach a man how to fish
So you would vote to stop feeding them fish
in the meantime?

That is, until they learned to fish?
Voluntarist

United States

#52692 May 17, 2013
former res wrote:
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And if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.
I've told you repeatedly that my paying of taxes is not faith-based. It simply seems like the wise thing to do.
But you can continue to frame as a matter of blind faith if it pleases you.
I was referring to applicability
Voluntarist

United States

#52693 May 17, 2013
former res wrote:
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So you would vote to stop feeding them fish
in the meantime?
That is, until they learned to fish?
Necessity is the mother of invention
former res

Cheshire, CT

#52695 May 17, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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I was referring to applicability
You wrote:

"Same goes for you who believes that the constitution and laws are applicable to you."

I believe nothing.

I pay for the reasons I stated.

Nothing to do with belief.

Thank you.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#52696 May 17, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Necessity is the mother of invention
Has the starvation-induced invention theory worked well
for the many in Africa?

It's ok to be honest but not to pretend you care when you make no sense.

Perhaps I misunderstood you. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and a chance to explain...

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#52697 May 17, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Not true I care about poor people but the government doesn't teach a man how to fish
Factually incorrect

http://www.ct.gov/deep/cwp/view.asp...

Connecticut Aquatic Resources Education (CARE)
Schedule of Classes
Voluntarist

United States

#52698 May 17, 2013
former res wrote:
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You wrote:
"Same goes for you who believes that the constitution and laws are applicable to you."
I believe nothing.
I pay for the reasons I stated.
Nothing to do with belief.
Thank you.
Ok so you are now on the fence, whether the constitution and laws apply to you, I believe that we made progress.
Voluntarist

United States

#52699 May 17, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Factually incorrect
http://www.ct.gov/deep/cwp/view.asp...
Connecticut Aquatic Resources Education (CARE)
Schedule of Classes
Factually incorrect, see snap benefits, they aren't teaching anyone anything at the snap program .

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Since: Sep 11

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#52700 May 17, 2013
New Study: Climate Scientists Overwhelmingly Agree Global Warming Is Real and Our Fault

http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2013...

A new study has just come out that looked at nearly 12,000 professional scientific journal papers about global warming, and found that—of the papers expressing a stance on global warming—97 percent endorse both the reality of global warming and the fact that humans are causing it.

Ninety-seven percent. That’s what we call a “consensus”, folks.

The study was clever. They found the papers by searching on the terms “global warming” and “global climate change”. Once they compiled the list of papers, they looked at the abstracts (a short summary of the results scientists put at the top of their papers) to see if the paper itself talked about the causes of global warming. About 4000 of the papers did so. That may seem like a smallish fraction, but most papers analyze measurements and climate effects, not the cause of global warming (like most astronomical papers on, say, galaxies don’t discuss how galaxies form, but focus on their structure, content, and so on—also, because there is such a strong consensus on warming, scientists don't generally feel the need to state the obvious in their abstracts).

Examining those 4000 papers, the study authors determined that 97.1 percent of them endorsed the consensus that humans are causing global warming. And here’s where they did the clever bit: They contacted 8500 authors of the papers in question and asked them to self-rate those papers. They got responses from 1200 authors (a nice fraction), and, using the same criteria as the study, it turns out 97.2 percent of the authors endorse the consensus.

That’s a remarkable agreement! And it’s no surprise. There have been several studies showing almost exactly the same thing. This new one is interesting due to the methodology, and the fact that it’s so robust.

So, the bottom line: The vast majority of scientists who conduct climatological research and publish their results in professional journals say humans are the cause of global warming. There is essentially no controversy among actual climate scientists about this.

Of course, if you read the Wall Street Journal or the contrarian blogs, you might think the controversy among scientists is bigger. But you’ll find that the vast majority of people writing those articles, or who are quoted in them, are not climatologists. You’ll also find many, including politicians so vocally denying global warming, are heavily funded by fossil fuel interests, or lead institutes funded that way.

Because deniers tend to go to the OpEd pages and TV, rather than science journals, the public perception is skewed in their favor; people think this is a bigger controversy than it is. The only controversy here is a manufactured one; made up by people who are basing it on ideology, not facts, evidence, and science. That’s not just my opinion; that statement itself is backed up by facts, evidence, and science.

Global warming is real. Climate change is happening. Carbon dioxide in the air is increasing, and is at a higher level than it has been for the past three million years. That carbon dioxide is increasingly heating us up: we are warming at a rate faster than in the past 11,000 years, and most likely far longer than that.

And it’s our fault. It’s well past time we do something about it, and we need to get past this false controversy. For more information, go to The Consensus Project, and see what we can do about it.
Voluntarist

United States

#52701 May 17, 2013
former res wrote:
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Has the starvation-induced invention theory worked well
for the many in Africa?
It's ok to be honest but not to pretend you care when you make no sense.
Perhaps I misunderstood you. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and a chance to explain...
Africa is a big place, be more specific.

When was the last time that you a) ran across someone that was starving and b) fed them
?

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