Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#52286 May 13, 2013
Abolish The Fed wrote:
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These same people denying the truth will be eventually saying "so what, the war was necessary" .
Just like The Gulf of Tonkin was staged, the government apologists always claim that it was necessary.
rabbee: i fear you are giving all your false g-ds, way too much credit for staging that. just in case you cannot figure out, WHO TheReal G-D is, giving america hell too. even if it has been a kinder gentler hell, than other nations. and using us, to give them all hell too.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#52287 May 13, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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What do you think about the IRS "targeting" the Tea Party? Do you think it is ethical or not?
rabbee: if you try to throw a frog, in a pan of boiling water. it will most definatly, try to jump out. but if you put it in, a pan of ambient water. and slowly raise the corrupt temperature, it gets all comfy and warm. and yet all you frogs, still warm and comfy feel nothing is wrong. we did not get, near the boiling point with the deficit over-night. and slow to tyrannical change, is more dangerous to america than rapid changes.

and one of the trademarks of tyrany, is the suppression of all other ways to thinking but theirs. what are the dangers, of having an all democrat, or republican congress, executive, and supreme court? a two or more party governement is part, of the checks and balances too.
Voluntarist

United States

#52288 May 13, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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"tax resistence" sounds like evasion to me.
Is GE guilty of tax resistence by conspiring with its accountants to pay zero tax?
Voluntarist

United States

#52289 May 13, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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IRS did care about the evidence, as no one is claiming that they prosecuted these groups unfairly. Only that they profiled them for auditing.
I am fine with the profiling, if, as FR questioned, the members actually evaded the taxes.
Besides, even if they didnt evade taxes, the fact is that it is a political group and therefore really shouldnt be a nonprofit. That is what triggered the whole event.
It is someones actions that determine that they are a political group, not their name .
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#52290 May 13, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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I dont get how IRS investigation is implicitly tyrannical.
Lets look at a false equivalence that is being bandied around. Black people being pulled over by cops. That is wrong. In that situation, there is no reason to believe that black people are more guilty of a potential crime than white people, therefore profiling for the purpose of investigation is wrong.
But in the case of the Tea Party - these people are actually advocating illegal behavior. Therefore, the potential is there. Plus they are not acting as individuals, they are filing as an organization with voluntary membership. So it makes sense to profile the organization.
rabbee: do you think that mental prejudice, should be used to convict anyone? or to use it with deceit, to persecution. since this is not about prosecution, but subtle persecution.

and so yes, our forefathers of this nation. did commit illegal acts according to, king george and conwallis. they even had their own version, of a boston tea party. and what was, the cry then?

that the majority of americans, were being taxed unfairly without any representation. and that only the minorities, of this nation were being served and represented. and that the rights of the few, suppresed the rights of the many. and they the brittish profiled groups, in accordance to their opposition too.

do you consider, the foundation of this nation illegal? so what do you suppose G-D, had us do about it? when political suppression, is tyrany.

there is no such thing, as a non-act of G-D on this planet or all of physical totality. if you do not want, to believe in G-D. then G-D shall, command the devil to help you all. and it may only look like, muhammed's good at first. whether you, fail to see this or not. with slowly rising temp, untill it reaches the boiling point of syria. and the frogs, all start their dying.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#52291 May 13, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Is GE guilty of tax resistence by conspiring with its accountants to pay zero tax?
I see you have an opinion that you are being too coy to share...

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#52292 May 13, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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It is someones actions that determine that they are a political group, not their name .
Which is why you have to investigate before you prosecute.
Abolish The Fed

United States

#52293 May 13, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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IRS did care about the evidence, as no one is claiming that they prosecuted these groups unfairly. Only that they profiled them for auditing.
I am fine with the profiling, if, as FR questioned, the members actually evaded the taxes.
Besides, even if they didnt evade taxes, the fact is that it is a political group and therefore really shouldnt be a nonprofit. That is what triggered the whole event.
The irs never cares about evidence.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#52294 May 13, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Frijoles---"movement " suggests to me(Frijoles) EVASION
HughBe--- Thank you for your forthright opinion.
It explains, to me, the existence of the various MOVEMENTS in Judaism e.g. " All of the Orthodox MOVEMENTS are very similar in their observance and beliefs, differing only in the details that are emphasized. "
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/J...
You remind me of a little kid who has to tantrum to make his presence known.
Abolish The Fed

United States

#52295 May 13, 2013
former res wrote:
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GE followed the tax code and did nothing wrong.
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/04/warren-ge-pa...
So you would agree then that if the government couldnt prove any facts that the tax code is applicable then there is no evasion?
Abolish The Fed

United States

#52296 May 13, 2013
former res wrote:
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GE followed the tax code and did nothing wrong.
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/04/warren-ge-pa...
Your link is dead

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#52297 May 13, 2013
former res wrote:
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I'm opposed to the marijuana laws but only rarely partake!
:)
..mostly law-abiding to due to cheapness....it got real expensive since I was a teen...
A long time ago I had a friend who worked as the chief acccount / budget officer for a large city. He told me they (the City) always knew who the democrats vs the republicans were, from who checked the voluntary donation box on their tax return. In a democratic presidential year, a democrat was more likely to make the donation to fund the political party system than a republican, and vice versa. I dont know how they got access to ones tax return, but it was an interesting comment....

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#52298 May 13, 2013
Abolish The Fed wrote:
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The irs never cares about evidence.
how would you know - you claim you dont pay taxes

Why are you flirting back and forth with screen names?
Abolish The Fed

United States

#52299 May 13, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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how would you know - you claim you dont pay taxes
Why are you flirting back and forth with screen names?
There are audio admissions that the irs agents do not care about evidence.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#52300 May 13, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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You remind me of a little kid who has to tantrum to make his presence known.
Frijoles---"movement " suggests to me(Frijoles) EVASION

HughBe--- Thank you for your forthright opinion.
It explains, to me, the existence of the various MOVEMENTS in Judaism e.g. " All of the Orthodox MOVEMENTS are very similar in their observance and beliefs, differing only in the details that are emphasized. "
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/J ...

FRijoles---You remind me of a little kid who has to tantrum to make his presence known

HughBe--- Nothing has changed, I accept your words i.e. "movement suggests to me(Frijoles) EVASION".

All I have done is to make the observation that Judaism has various MOVEMENTS.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#52301 May 13, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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how would you know - you claim you dont pay taxes
Why are you flirting back and forth with screen names?
rabbee: yes and you can't tax and american indian, on their reservation. because of their, religious beliefs ether.

the federal govenment cannot tax, anyone whos religious beliefs they are in violation of. i guess this is why, they are establishing their own religious church'es in their public schools.

and denying your religious, belief of G-D in their antiG-
D religious schooling. and now you can't figure out, the reason for school massacres. because you have been, in the bucket of warming water for too long.

i have nothing against, religious freedom. untill it becomes highly selective, for the relgions against G-D.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#52302 May 13, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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how would you know - you claim you dont pay taxes
Why are you flirting back and forth with screen names?
rabbee: trying to avoid, being profiled? with one screen name, wearing sun-glasses and a mustache.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#52303 May 13, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Former---xo
HughBe--- The compound is cause for concern I am not one of your fellows, Frijoles and Eric are. I accept love but give the two to your fellow fellows.
You'll take it and you'll like it.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#52304 May 13, 2013
Abolish The Fed wrote:
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Your link is dead
q

I just clicked on it and it worked.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#52305 May 13, 2013
Abolish The Fed wrote:
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So you would agree then that if the government couldnt prove any facts that the tax code is applicable then there is no evasion?
If there is no applicable law then no law was broken.

Yes, I would agree with that.

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