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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Voluntarist

United States

#51986 May 8, 2013
A more honest article former res;

Yesterday Hill was sentenced to 3 months in jail followed by three
months’ home confinement after failing to pay a tax bill because
she had withdrawn from society following threats to her family.
In June last year, Hill posted a diatribe to her Tumbler account
complaining of how the music industry is “manipulated and
controlled by a media protected military industrial complex.”
As we’ve highlighted numerous times in the past, other recording
artists have made it clear that anyone who doesn’t conform to the
strict demands of the music industry or even, as Nicole
Scherzinger recently remarked , sell their soul to satan, tends to
find success hard to maintain in an industry that punishes
individuals who dare to speak their mind.
In numerous performances and speeches over the last few years,
Hill has attempted to warn young people about how “pop culture
cannibalism” and the deliberate reductionism of art and music is
damaging a whole generation and turning them into passive,
unthinking consumers – destroying inspiration and true creativity
in the name of profit.
The Judge’s order that Hill undergo what amounts to brainwashing
and re-education simply for publicly proclaiming the fact that the
music industry is designed to strangle true talent while promoting
amoral, vacuous, mindless, turgid drivel, is part of the increasing
trend towards labeling common sense as a mental illness if it goes
against the establishment grain in any way.
Since people who post vehement political opinions on Facebook
are already being kidnapped and taken to psychiatric wards across
the country, how long before criticism of the state is officially
recognized as a mental disorder?
Those considered hostile to authority have already been tagged as
sufferers of “oppositional defiant disorder” under the the DSM-IV-
TR Manual.
The definition of this mental illness is,“a recurrent pattern of
negativistic, defiant, disobedient. and hostile behavior toward
authority figures that persists for at least 6 months.”
The attempt to frame alternative opinions as dangerous mental
disorders has also entered the political realm. In 2009, Psychology
Today wrote a hit piece on Alex Jones insinuating that anyone
who believes in a secret cabal ruling the world, which is a
perfectly accurate description of the Bilderberg Group, has a
mental disorder.
We also reported recently on how Floridians are being encouraged
to report their neighbors to authorities for making hateful
comments about the government, leaving them to be targeted for
home visits by police and “mental health professionals and
caseworkers.”
Lauren Hill’s case reminds us that the establishment not only
seeks to ridicule, ostracize and sideline those who utter
“conspiracy theories,” which has become a pejorative term for
questioning authority, but they actually seek to have all dissent
against the system classified as a form of mental illness in order to
grease the skids for legally imposed “treatment” including re-
education and even pharmacological lobotomy.

http://www.infowars.com/judge-orders-conspira...

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#51987 May 8, 2013
me thinks the lady doth protest too much

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#51988 May 8, 2013
and btw we already rejected Alex Jones
Voluntarist

United States

#51989 May 8, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
and btw we already rejected Alex Jones
I dont care who you reject you are always speaking collectively , mr collectivist.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51990 May 8, 2013
JOEL wrote:
<quoted text>
Really?
Can you tell me the difference(s) between subjective and objective?
Same difference as between "signs and symptoms."

Look it up.

Next thing you'll be asking me..."what if a church
wants to arrest you?"
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51991 May 8, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
Why cant you answer?
If a church forced you to pay a tax to them would you pay it? under threat of imprisonment?
I have no relationship with any church or house of worship.

Kindly move on.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51992 May 8, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Former---Again, why do you go to church?
HughBe--- Pay close attention, I go because I am NOT "special" as you no doubt are.
You don't seem to want to tell me why you go to church or believe the way you believe.

Is it a religion you were born into or did you evaluate your beliefs and choose it on your own?

Did someone introduce you to the faith?

Do you consider yourself to be a good Christian?

Why or why not?
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Former---What is the name of your religion?
HughBe--- Some call it Christianity
Who only some?

Do you believe in Christ the Lord, son of God?

That he died for our sins?

The trilogy?
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Former---Do you tithe? How much $?
HughBe--- No and obviously NO for the second question.
You do not offer any sort of financial support for the church to which you belong?

I had understood that you were somewhat affluent (by local standards).

Your church has no financial needs or obligations?
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do you ask? Do you want to know how much to tithe?
What is tithing?
Who should collect tithes?
Is it rabbis or LEVITICAL priests?
Suppose tithe means a tenth, do you think that collecting a tenth and renaming it changes the fact that you are collecting money fraudulently?
I'm a nontheist who was raised Catholic. Probably not the best person to address these issue for you.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51993 May 8, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>

Same difference as between "signs and symptoms."
Wrong.

Expected.

Try again using the little intelligence that you have.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51994 May 8, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>

Look it up.
Looking up what others have said on the subject is infantile and is certainly not the last word on any subject for the matter.

I may look up but usually I add more to what's been said on a subject and at times I bring in a totally new outlook/reasoning.

JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51995 May 8, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>

Next thing you'll be asking me...

"what if a church wants to arrest you?"
What if I say that your mental growth has been arrested by distorted heredity and serious personality defects? LOL.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#51996 May 8, 2013
JOEL wrote:
<quoted text>
What if I say that your mental growth has been arrested by distorted heredity and serious personality defects? LOL.
I would say that you are a delusional crank

(sorry, you asked)

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#51997 May 8, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
I dont care who you reject you are always speaking collectively , mr collectivist.
WE probably asked you this before, so pardon US if WE did, but did your mother breast feed or bottle feed you when you were young?

(WE dont care so much about your habits now)
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51998 May 8, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>

I would say that you are a delusional crank

(sorry, you asked)
Ok, Papa.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#51999 May 8, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't seem to want to tell me why you go to church or believe the way you believe.
Is it a religion you were born into or did you evaluate your beliefs and choose it on your own?
Did someone introduce you to the faith?
Do you consider yourself to be a good Christian?
Why or why not?
<quoted text>
Who only some?
Do you believe in Christ the Lord, son of God?
That he died for our sins?
The trilogy?
<quoted text>
You do not offer any sort of financial support for the church to which you belong?
I had understood that you were somewhat affluent (by local standards).
Your church has no financial needs or obligations?
<quoted text>
I'm a nontheist who was raised Catholic. Probably not the best person to address these issue for you.
HughBe--- Pay close attention, I go because I am NOT "special" as you no doubt are.

Former---You don't seem to want to tell me why you go to church or believe the way you believe.

HughBe--- I have repeatedly TOLD YOU but you are not understanding it. I am using "special" in precisely the same way that YOU used it. Now if you understand your meaning then you should no difficulty in understanding my ANSWER.

Hint: try substitution

The other part about "believe the way you believe" is NEW. What exactly are you talking about, is it tithing?

Former---Is it a religion you were born into or did you evaluate your beliefs and choose it on your own?

HughBe--- My parents were Christians and I am called a Christian.

Former---Did someone introduce you to the faith?

HughBe--- YES, my parents. Who introduced you to atheism?

Former---Do you consider yourself to be a good Christian?

HughBe--- An EXCEPTIONAL person but not a good Christian. Note, exceptional is being used in the EXACT way that you are using GOOD.

Former---Why or why not?

HughBe--- no man is good in the eyes of God or God's standard.

Former---What is the name of your religion?

HughBe--- Some call it Christianity

Former--Who only some?

HughBe--- What is the number or percentage that you get from my some?

Former---Do you believe in Christ the Lord, son of God?

HughBe--- I believe in Jesus, the Christ, the Being who BECAME the Son of God, the CREATOR of this world and all that is in it.

Former--That he died for our sins?

HughBe--- Yes

Former--The trilogy?

HughBe--- I take it that you mean TRINITY which is NOT the same as TRILOGY. Lesson: TRILOGY is a SERIES of 3 whereas TRINITY is 3.

Former---Do you tithe? How much $?

HughBe--- No and obviously NO for the second question.

Former---You do not offer any sort of financial support for the church to which you belong?

HughBe--- Cite my words that confused you and led you to such a unfounded question.

Former--Your church has no financial needs or obligations?

HughBe--- I shall give you an account for you to make your contribution . Clearly you want to do so.

Please deal with the OUTSTANDING questions. Your disclaimer that you are "a nontheist" is a poor excuse in the CONTEXT of your detailed INTERROGATION plus you were a CATHOLIC.

Did you pay TITHES as a Catholic?

If not, why not?

Answer my questions.

Why do you ask? Do you want to know how much to tithe?
What is tithing?
Who should collect tithes?
Is it rabbis or LEVITICAL priests?
Suppose tithe means a tenth, do you think that collecting a tenth and renaming it changes the fact that you are collecting money fraudulently?
former res

Cheshire, CT

#52000 May 8, 2013
JOEL wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong.
Expected.
Try again using the little intelligence that you have.
What's the opposite of "above me?"
former res

Cheshire, CT

#52001 May 8, 2013
JOEL wrote:
<quoted text>
Looking up what others have said on the subject is infantile and is certainly not the last word on any subject for the matter.
I may look up but usually I add more to what's been said on a subject and at times I bring in a totally new outlook/reasoning.
Yes, well, how nice for you.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#52002 May 8, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Dont pretend you are holier than sht. Houses of worships are often much more than just hovels that provide prayer space.
Living in Jamaica you dont have the infrastructure maintenance costs, and plus your standard and cost of living is amazingly low. Plus your churches probably dont have social service components. heck you probably RECEIVE aid. Therefore you probably dont have to be concerned with raising revenue to keep your organizations like we do in the states.
Frijoles---Dont pretend you are holier than sht

HughBe--- Not only am I holier than you but I am sweeter in smell.

Before I deal with the remainder of your amusing post, please identify the questions that I have asked that have GREATLY upset YOU.
My guess is that it is the last one or number 4.


1.What is tithing?
2.Who should collect tithes?
3.Is it rabbis or LEVITICAL priests?
4.Suppose tithe means a tenth, do you think that collecting a tenth and renaming it changes the fact that you are collecting money fraudulently?

Frijoles---Living in Jamaica you dont have the infrastructure maintenance costs, and plus your standard and cost of living is amazingly low.

HughBe--- List the items that you call, "infrastructure maintenance costs"

Do you think that we have service in trees?

Frijoles---Plus your churches probably dont have social service components.

HughBe--- What an IDIOTIC utterance

Frijoles--heck you probably RECEIVE aid.

HughBe---But not from YOU.

Frijoles---Therefore you probably dont have to be concerned with raising revenue to keep your organizations like we do in the states.

HughBe--- It is an indictment on your education system that someone with a PhD could be so DUNCE.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#52003 May 8, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
I was under the impression that there are many variations among the Christian denominations. I was merely curious to see how you viewed some of them.
If you want to answer with a mono-response that is fine, and I suppose that does tell me something about how you view the other sects. Though not as interesting than if you had an assortment of differing opinions.
Once again--

Frijoles---Are other churches special?

HughBe---- the church itself is not special and so there cannot be "OTHER" special churches.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#52004 May 8, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>

What's the opposite of "above me?"
I thought above and below are relative terms, mere conventions. Redundant logic.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#52005 May 8, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
HughBe--- I have repeatedly TOLD YOU but you are not understanding it. I am using "special" in precisely the same way that YOU used it. Now if you understand your meaning then you should no difficulty in understanding my ANSWER.
Hint: try substitution
I don't do riddles.
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
The other part about "believe the way you believe" is NEW. What exactly are you talking about, is it tithing?
No. I refer to your religious beliefs.
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Former---Is it a religion you were born into or did you evaluate your beliefs and choose it on your own?
HughBe--- My parents were Christians and I am called a Christian.
Nice to meet you, Christian.
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Former---Did someone introduce you to the faith?
HughBe--- YES, my parents. Who introduced you to atheism?
Being introduced to atheism is like being introduced to not liking ice cream.

I was raised Catholic and turned away as a teenager.
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Former---Do you consider yourself to be a good Christian?
HughBe--- An EXCEPTIONAL person but not a good Christian. Note, exceptional is being used in the EXACT way that you are using GOOD.
I see. You're certainly allowed to use your own words.
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Former---What is the name of your religion?
HughBe--- Some call it Christianity
Former--Who only some?
HughBe--- What is the number or percentage that you get from my some?
Fewer than 100%. Is it a controversial movement?

Churches in this country are fairly well defined for the most part.
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Former---Do you believe in Christ the Lord, son of God?
HughBe--- I believe in Jesus, the Christ, the Being who BECAME the Son of God, the CREATOR of this world and all that is in it.
You sound like a Christian to me.
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Former--The trilogy?
HughBe--- I take it that you mean TRINITY which is NOT the same as TRILOGY. Lesson: TRILOGY is a SERIES of 3 whereas TRINITY is 3.
I misspoke. Typical atheist.
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Former---Do you tithe? How much $?
HughBe--- No and obviously NO for the second question.
Former---You do not offer any sort of financial support for the church to which you belong?
HughBe--- Cite my words that confused you and led you to such a unfounded question.
You either contribute financially to your church or you don't/

More riddles from you?
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Please deal with the OUTSTANDING questions. Your disclaimer that you are "a nontheist" is a poor excuse in the CONTEXT of your detailed INTERROGATION plus you were a CATHOLIC.
Did you pay TITHES as a Catholic?
No. I was a child.
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Answer my questions.
Why do you ask? Do you want to know how much to tithe?
What is tithing?
Who should collect tithes?
Is it rabbis or LEVITICAL priests?
Suppose tithe means a tenth, do you think that collecting a tenth and renaming it changes the fact that you are collecting money fraudulently?
I do not belong to any church or religion.

The subject of tithing is purely academic for me.

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