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Voluntarist

United States

#51979 May 8, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
If a church collapsed in a forest, would you hear it?
Just answer the question.
Why cant you answer?
If a church forced you to pay a tax to them would you pay it? under threat of imprisonment?

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#51980 May 8, 2013
former res wrote:
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Sounds a lot like tithing (by definition income-based), possibly with variation on the percentage expected. Though I think we just tossed some money in the basket. They had special "offering" envelopes where you could write your name and address for the more serious givers.
I don't know if the typical church gets money from the central office or pays money TO HQ. Maybe each according to its means.
Of course they've been pretty tapped out too with all the molestation lawsuits.
And I know many parents have complained about the steep increases in tuition at parochial schools (not to mention the closure/consolidations of the schools).
The full time day religious schools are a different animal altogether - they are independent from the synagogues. They have official fees, plus a mandatory annual "donation" (separate tax deduction status) and often financial aid available. The financial aid does require tax form disclosure I think in most or some cases. Tuition in our area is reasonable.

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#51981 May 8, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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HughBe--- Let me thank you for enjoying and being captivated by the things that I write. Your request for REPETITION is one indicator of the truth of my words.
Former---Again, why do you go to church?
HughBe--- Pay close attention, I go because I am NOT "special" as you no doubt are.
Former---What is the name of your religion?
HughBe--- Some call it Christianity
Former---Is it too special to have a name?
HughBe--- Intelligent
Former---Do you tithe? How much $?
HughBe--- No and obviously NO for the second question.
Why do you ask? Do you want to know how much to tithe?
What is tithing?
Who should collect tithes?
Is it rabbis or LEVITICAL priests?
Suppose tithe means a tenth, do you think that collecting a tenth and renaming it changes the fact that you are collecting money fraudulently?
Dont pretend you are holier than sht. Houses of worships are often much more than just hovels that provide prayer space.

Living in Jamaica you dont have the infrastructure maintenance costs, and plus your standard and cost of living is amazingly low. Plus your churches probably dont have social service components. heck you probably RECEIVE aid. Therefore you probably dont have to be concerned with raising revenue to keep your organizations like we do in the states.

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#51982 May 8, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
Why cant you answer?
If a church forced you to pay a tax to them would you pay it? under threat of imprisonment?
Keep up with the stream here. We gave up on the ideological silliness and are off on better tangents as usual.

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#51983 May 8, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Poor Frijoles, let me try one more time.
Frijoles---Are other churches special?
HughBe---- the church itself is not special and so there cannot be "OTHER" special churches.
I was under the impression that there are many variations among the Christian denominations. I was merely curious to see how you viewed some of them.

If you want to answer with a mono-response that is fine, and I suppose that does tell me something about how you view the other sects. Though not as interesting than if you had an assortment of differing opinions.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51984 May 8, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>

I guess my sarcasm went over your head, for the moment.
I find you adorable and am very proud to have you as my dad.

Take care.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51985 May 8, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>

Clearly untrue.

You are spouting your opinion.

By definition: Subjective.
Really?

Can you tell me the difference(s) between subjective and objective?
Voluntarist

United States

#51986 May 8, 2013
A more honest article former res;

Yesterday Hill was sentenced to 3 months in jail followed by three
months’ home confinement after failing to pay a tax bill because
she had withdrawn from society following threats to her family.
In June last year, Hill posted a diatribe to her Tumbler account
complaining of how the music industry is “manipulated and
controlled by a media protected military industrial complex.”
As we’ve highlighted numerous times in the past, other recording
artists have made it clear that anyone who doesn’t conform to the
strict demands of the music industry or even, as Nicole
Scherzinger recently remarked , sell their soul to satan, tends to
find success hard to maintain in an industry that punishes
individuals who dare to speak their mind.
In numerous performances and speeches over the last few years,
Hill has attempted to warn young people about how “pop culture
cannibalism” and the deliberate reductionism of art and music is
damaging a whole generation and turning them into passive,
unthinking consumers – destroying inspiration and true creativity
in the name of profit.
The Judge’s order that Hill undergo what amounts to brainwashing
and re-education simply for publicly proclaiming the fact that the
music industry is designed to strangle true talent while promoting
amoral, vacuous, mindless, turgid drivel, is part of the increasing
trend towards labeling common sense as a mental illness if it goes
against the establishment grain in any way.
Since people who post vehement political opinions on Facebook
are already being kidnapped and taken to psychiatric wards across
the country, how long before criticism of the state is officially
recognized as a mental disorder?
Those considered hostile to authority have already been tagged as
sufferers of “oppositional defiant disorder” under the the DSM-IV-
TR Manual.
The definition of this mental illness is,“a recurrent pattern of
negativistic, defiant, disobedient. and hostile behavior toward
authority figures that persists for at least 6 months.”
The attempt to frame alternative opinions as dangerous mental
disorders has also entered the political realm. In 2009, Psychology
Today wrote a hit piece on Alex Jones insinuating that anyone
who believes in a secret cabal ruling the world, which is a
perfectly accurate description of the Bilderberg Group, has a
mental disorder.
We also reported recently on how Floridians are being encouraged
to report their neighbors to authorities for making hateful
comments about the government, leaving them to be targeted for
home visits by police and “mental health professionals and
caseworkers.”
Lauren Hill’s case reminds us that the establishment not only
seeks to ridicule, ostracize and sideline those who utter
“conspiracy theories,” which has become a pejorative term for
questioning authority, but they actually seek to have all dissent
against the system classified as a form of mental illness in order to
grease the skids for legally imposed “treatment” including re-
education and even pharmacological lobotomy.

http://www.infowars.com/judge-orders-conspira...

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#51987 May 8, 2013
me thinks the lady doth protest too much

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#51988 May 8, 2013
and btw we already rejected Alex Jones
Voluntarist

United States

#51989 May 8, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
and btw we already rejected Alex Jones
I dont care who you reject you are always speaking collectively , mr collectivist.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51990 May 8, 2013
JOEL wrote:
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Really?
Can you tell me the difference(s) between subjective and objective?
Same difference as between "signs and symptoms."

Look it up.

Next thing you'll be asking me..."what if a church
wants to arrest you?"
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51991 May 8, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Why cant you answer?
If a church forced you to pay a tax to them would you pay it? under threat of imprisonment?
I have no relationship with any church or house of worship.

Kindly move on.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51992 May 8, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Former---Again, why do you go to church?
HughBe--- Pay close attention, I go because I am NOT "special" as you no doubt are.
You don't seem to want to tell me why you go to church or believe the way you believe.

Is it a religion you were born into or did you evaluate your beliefs and choose it on your own?

Did someone introduce you to the faith?

Do you consider yourself to be a good Christian?

Why or why not?
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Former---What is the name of your religion?
HughBe--- Some call it Christianity
Who only some?

Do you believe in Christ the Lord, son of God?

That he died for our sins?

The trilogy?
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Former---Do you tithe? How much $?
HughBe--- No and obviously NO for the second question.
You do not offer any sort of financial support for the church to which you belong?

I had understood that you were somewhat affluent (by local standards).

Your church has no financial needs or obligations?
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do you ask? Do you want to know how much to tithe?
What is tithing?
Who should collect tithes?
Is it rabbis or LEVITICAL priests?
Suppose tithe means a tenth, do you think that collecting a tenth and renaming it changes the fact that you are collecting money fraudulently?
I'm a nontheist who was raised Catholic. Probably not the best person to address these issue for you.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51993 May 8, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>

Same difference as between "signs and symptoms."
Wrong.

Expected.

Try again using the little intelligence that you have.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51994 May 8, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>

Look it up.
Looking up what others have said on the subject is infantile and is certainly not the last word on any subject for the matter.

I may look up but usually I add more to what's been said on a subject and at times I bring in a totally new outlook/reasoning.

JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51995 May 8, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>

Next thing you'll be asking me...

"what if a church wants to arrest you?"
What if I say that your mental growth has been arrested by distorted heredity and serious personality defects? LOL.

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#51996 May 8, 2013
JOEL wrote:
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What if I say that your mental growth has been arrested by distorted heredity and serious personality defects? LOL.
I would say that you are a delusional crank

(sorry, you asked)

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#51997 May 8, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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I dont care who you reject you are always speaking collectively , mr collectivist.
WE probably asked you this before, so pardon US if WE did, but did your mother breast feed or bottle feed you when you were young?

(WE dont care so much about your habits now)
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51998 May 8, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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I would say that you are a delusional crank

(sorry, you asked)
Ok, Papa.

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