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rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
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most laws are mental magic only.
What do you mean by "mental magic"?

Why do you relate mind to natural laws?

I employ the word mind as related to the natural laws in a very special sense.

I shall write about this later.
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i am not impressed, that some body got credit. for writting about an apple falling, from and apple tree. when this was common knowledge, for thousands of years.
So, did the ancients know the inverse square law of gravitation?

What could be the basis of gravitation?
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You and ATF/Volunteer guy should set up a consulting practice.

Tag line could be, "No matter too insignificant"
But, you're the dunce on this thread, right? LOL.
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Former is one of the biggest dunces here. LOL.
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QUESTION:

"The universe begins to look more like a great thought than a great machine."

- Sir James Jeans

(English physicist, astronomer and mathematician)

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PS: Most laws are mental constructs - how do we explain this statement? Does it even make sense?

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rabbee: wow it's no wonder, i am feeling a little crowded. i can remember when colorado, only had a half a million people. where you could feel, at home on deranged. and there were more, prairie dogs than people.
and there were more cattle, in weld county than people in all of colorado. and real cowboys, with sidearms. don't run into, too many indans any more. used to have some indian friends, but have lost track of them over time. and one of them who was in the same unit, was killed in vietnam right before my eyes.
One of the reasons I moved out of Arizona was I saw the same population increase and it drove me crazy. Would rather move back and live in a place which is already crowded, rather than watch a place get spoiled.

Most of the Indians are in SW part of your state I imagine.

I only drive thru the eastern flatlands in Colorado once, when I was younger, and it was pretty darn monotonous, however, according to Wiki the prairie has more variation than one might notice out their car window...

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Answer the question, if a church taxed you would you pay it?
They already do. Its called dues. And often it is income based.

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But, you're the dunce on this thread, right? LOL.
You have anointed many people here with that label. Be consistent or nobody will take you seriously.
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You have anointed many people here with that label.

Be consistent or nobody will take you seriously.
For me to take a person seriously, yes, very seriously, the person should be highly intellectual, highly fair-minded, highly free-thinking and highly spiritual with him/her being exposed to direct mystical experiences.

Mind-Matter rules.

Yes.

My criticisms of posts are meant as exercises in objectivity, truth and justice.

I hold no grudges against anyone.

I have only goodwill towards all, especially towards you, dear Papa, who I find adorable in so many ways.

I wish you the very best in life.

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For me to take a person seriously, yes, very seriously, the person should be highly intellectual, highly fair-minded, highly free-thinking and highly spiritual with him/her being exposed to direct mystical experiences.
Mind-Matter rules.
Yes.
My criticisms of posts are meant as exercises in objectivity, truth and justice.
I hold no grudges against anyone.
I have only goodwill towards all, especially towards you, dear Papa, who I find adorable in so many ways.
I wish you the very best in life.
I guess my sarcasm went over your head, for the moment.
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They already do. Its called dues. And often it is income based.
Interesting. Only the Mormons are listing as requiring it. And same with the magic underwear!

tithe
noun (Concise Encyclopedia)

Contribution of a tenth of one's income for religious purposes. The practice of tithing was established in the Hebrew scriptures and was adopted by the Western Christian church. It was enjoined by ecclesiastical law from the 6th century and enforced in Europe by secular law from the 8th century. After the Reformation, tithes continued to be imposed for the benefit of both the Protestant and Roman Catholic churches. Tithes were eventually repealed in France (1789), Ireland (1871), Italy (1887), and England (1936). In Germany support for churches is collected through the personal income tax and distributed according to the individual's religious affiliation. Tithing was never part of U.S. law, but members of certain churches (e.g., the Mormons) are required to tithe, and members of other churches may tithe voluntarily. Tithing was never accepted by the Eastern Orthodox churches.
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My criticisms of posts are meant as exercises in objectivity...
Clearly untrue.

You are spouting your opinion.

By definition: Subjective.

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Interesting. Only the Mormons are listing as requiring it. And same with the magic underwear!
tithe
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Contribution of a tenth of one's income for religious purposes. The practice of tithing was established in the Hebrew scriptures and was adopted by the Western Christian church. It was enjoined by ecclesiastical law from the 6th century and enforced in Europe by secular law from the 8th century. After the Reformation, tithes continued to be imposed for the benefit of both the Protestant and Roman Catholic churches. Tithes were eventually repealed in France (1789), Ireland (1871), Italy (1887), and England (1936). In Germany support for churches is collected through the personal income tax and distributed according to the individual's religious affiliation. Tithing was never part of U.S. law, but members of certain churches (e.g., the Mormons) are required to tithe, and members of other churches may tithe voluntarily. Tithing was never accepted by the Eastern Orthodox churches.
I might have stepped a bit too forward out of my shoes with that comment.

Synagogues usually require dues. Often, but not always, they are income based. Or at least unofficially. I assumed churches worked the same way. Maybe not. If not, maybe because they dont provide as many social services to their congregants as synagogues typically do?

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Interesting. Only the Mormons are listing as requiring it. And same with the magic underwear!
tithe
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Contribution of a tenth of one's income for religious purposes. The practice of tithing was established in the Hebrew scriptures and was adopted by the Western Christian church. It was enjoined by ecclesiastical law from the 6th century and enforced in Europe by secular law from the 8th century. After the Reformation, tithes continued to be imposed for the benefit of both the Protestant and Roman Catholic churches. Tithes were eventually repealed in France (1789), Ireland (1871), Italy (1887), and England (1936). In Germany support for churches is collected through the personal income tax and distributed according to the individual's religious affiliation. Tithing was never part of U.S. law, but members of certain churches (e.g., the Mormons) are required to tithe, and members of other churches may tithe voluntarily. Tithing was never accepted by the Eastern Orthodox churches.
Also, in almost 100% of the synagogues, anyone can come in and pray etc, without joining. But if you make it a regular habit, usually it is assumed you will join and start paying dues.
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I might have stepped a bit too forward out of my shoes with that comment.
Synagogues usually require dues. Often, but not always, they are income based. Or at least unofficially. I assumed churches worked the same way. Maybe not. If not, maybe because they dont provide as many social services to their congregants as synagogues typically do?
Wow, so you have to tell them your income?!

That's between me, TurboTax and the man.

At mass they passed the collection basket and they took what they got - though some folks gave more formally/regularly. And then of course there were the bequests.

The Catholic Church seems pretty flush. And they do a lot of charity work around the world.
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Are other churches special?
HughBe---"Indeed, the church that I attend has SPECIAL people but the church itself is not special."

Frijoles---Are other churches special?

HughBe---- Your question demonstrates that you are a "special" person. Now pay very close attention to my words which you responded to.

My words, "the church itself is not special". Sit in a corner and contemplate those words.

Hint: There cannot be "OTHER" special churches if basic comprehension skills are applied.
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HughBe---"Indeed, the church that I attend has SPECIAL people but the church itself is not special."
Frijoles---Are other churches special?
HughBe---- Your question demonstrates that you are a "special" person. Now pay very close attention to my words which you responded to.
My words, "the church itself is not special". Sit in a corner and contemplate those words.
Hint: There cannot be "OTHER" special churches if basic comprehension skills are applied.
Again, why do you go to church?

What is the name of your religion?

Is it too special to have a name?

Do you tithe? How much $?

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Wow, so you have to tell them your income?!
That's between me, TurboTax and the man.
At mass they passed the collection basket and they took what they got - though some folks gave more formally/regularly. And then of course there were the bequests.
The Catholic Church seems pretty flush. And they do a lot of charity work around the world.
Of course not. Its done on the honor basis. And most synagogues have the official flat fee, but everyone knows that you can adjust according to your ability....and others are officially income based...

Synagogues are all independent organizations. They dont get money from a central org like Catholics do.

They have to pay clergy, supporting staff, building and property expenses, plus congregant and community services such as charity meals, and some catering for events. And then there are Hebrew school fees for those who have children enrolled. Dues NEVER cover real costs, so there there are many many opportunities to donate as the year goes along, in honor of happy events, memorials, or just for specific stuff.

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HughBe---"Indeed, the church that I attend has SPECIAL people but the church itself is not special."
Frijoles---Are other churches special?
HughBe---- Your question demonstrates that you are a "special" person. Now pay very close attention to my words which you responded to.
My words, "the church itself is not special". Sit in a corner and contemplate those words.
Hint: There cannot be "OTHER" special churches if basic comprehension skills are applied.
Perfectly reasonable question which in your typical fashion you have dodged, obscured, bolted from, and weaved around.

Someday you will get the rules of proper communication right

Until then, you are sentenced to a lonely existence.
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Again, why do you go to church?
What is the name of your religion?
Is it too special to have a name?
Do you tithe? How much $?
HughBe--- Let me thank you for enjoying and being captivated by the things that I write. Your request for REPETITION is one indicator of the truth of my words.

Former---Again, why do you go to church?

HughBe--- Pay close attention, I go because I am NOT "special" as you no doubt are.

Former---What is the name of your religion?

HughBe--- Some call it Christianity

Former---Is it too special to have a name?

HughBe--- Intelligent

Former---Do you tithe? How much $?

HughBe--- No and obviously NO for the second question.

Why do you ask? Do you want to know how much to tithe?

What is tithing?

Who should collect tithes?

Is it rabbis or LEVITICAL priests?

Suppose tithe means a tenth, do you think that collecting a tenth and renaming it changes the fact that you are collecting money fraudulently?

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