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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Voluntarist

United States

#51841 May 6, 2013
Eric wrote:
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So now you are licensed to practice law in the state of Illinois. Plus you know more about IL law than the IL Supreme Court.
Can you give us a citation then to the correct law in IL?
Illinois is a mess, that monopoly of force gets away with murder.
Voluntarist

United States

#51842 May 6, 2013
former res wrote:
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I don't agree with everything my gov't does.
I didn't believe in W using my tax dollars to invade the wrong country in 2002.
That was a taking of my property (my money) for a reason I didn't agree with. This was also enriching private contractors - Halliburton etc. Why should I line the pockets of Cheney's friends and colleagues?
But you asked me if it was moral. Moral - no. But ethical, strictly speaking - yes. It was within the law.
Laws under a form of gov't with which I agree. I have no better form of gov't to propose.
I don't believe in allowing the perfect becoming the enemy of the good.
Do believe in social contracts?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract
In political philosophy the social contract or political contractis a theory or model, originating during the Age of Enlightenment, that typically addresses the questions of the origin of society and the legitimacy of the authority of the state over the individual.[1] Social contract arguments typically posit that individuals have consented, either explicitly or tacitly, to surrender some of their freedoms and submit to the authority of the ruler or magistrate (or to the decision of a majority), in exchange for protection of their remaining rights. The question of the relation between natural and legal rights, therefore, is often an aspect of social contract theory.
And what are the elements of a contract and are they present in government dealings?
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#51843 May 6, 2013
Eric wrote:
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So now you are licensed to practice law in the state of Illinois. Plus you know more about IL law than the IL Supreme Court.
Can you give us a citation then to the correct law in IL?
rabbee: they should not have to, change the constitution. just use it the way, the founders meant for it to be used. it is not supposed to be a court, where the few can suppress the rights of the many. and is supposed to avoid, decision about religions activities as much as possible. unless they have become a danger, to the common good, healh or welfare of the state or nation.

i am presently preparing a case, of someone in one state vs someone else in another. so i have to bone up, on their states constitution too. now i must consider, in which district court is in my advantage to file. theirs or colorado's, ninth district. do i file a js44 in their state district federal court, or in colorado federal district court.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#51844 May 6, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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In Connecticut it states in the so called constitution that the legislature makes law, so some ordinances crafted by local pud face gangsters at town hall cant be considered law.
incorrect

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#51845 May 6, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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And what are the elements of a contract and are they present in government dealings?
conĚtract (kntrkt)
n.
1.
a. An agreement between two or more parties, especially one that is written and enforceable by law. See Synonyms at bargain.
b. The writing or document containing such an agreement.

I.E. it doesnt necessarily have to have its elements spelled out, it can be oral and implied
Voluntarist

United States

#51846 May 6, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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That sounds a lot like Voluntarist's voluntary government.
Sorry, I just raped, robbed and mutilated your relatives, but since I didnt buy into your self government, there is nothing you can do about it.....
A truly voluntary government would need consent of all parties.
An hoa is just an example.
If only the government would stick to protecting life, liberty and property we wouldnt have these problems.
Voluntarist

United States

#51847 May 6, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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conĚtract (kntrkt)
n.
1.
a. An agreement between two or more parties, especially one that is written and enforceable by law. See Synonyms at bargain.
b. The writing or document containing such an agreement.
I.E. it doesnt necessarily have to have its elements spelled out, it can be oral and implied
Dont be a dolt, in order for a contract to be valid it must contain certain elements.
Voluntarist

United States

#51848 May 6, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
conĚtract (kntrkt)
n.
1.
a. An agreement between two or more parties, especially one that is written and enforceable by law. See Synonyms at bargain.
b. The writing or document containing such an agreement.
I.E. it doesnt necessarily have to have its elements spelled out, it can be oral and implied
Even if it is oral or implied there are still elements that have to be there to make the provisions of the contract enforceable.
Voluntarist

United States

#51849 May 6, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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incorrect
Prove it.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#51850 May 6, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
conĚtract (kntrkt)
n.
1.
a. An agreement between two or more parties, especially one that is written and enforceable by law. See Synonyms at bargain.
b. The writing or document containing such an agreement.
I.E. it doesnt necessarily have to have its elements spelled out, it can be oral and implied
rabbee: oral agreements gets, kind of sticky. since should it involve the courts, you need at a least one credible wittness who heard the agreement. one persons word against another, is a tough road to hoe.

and most major contracts, are generally filed with the courts or magistrates office, or county clerk etc. and you will find that many contracts, are on court available forms. or court acceptable forms, as modified by an attorney.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#51851 May 6, 2013
JOEL wrote:
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LOL.
You've failed to understand the context and meaning of the line - "quality is inversely proportional to quantity".
Let's analyze the logic to show that you're wrong.
Here goes:
We clearly have 2 distinct sets of people in the world -
1) The intellectual elites who're as expected very few in number.
2) The masses who constitute the majority.
So, in this sense, when we talk of the masses who comprise the overwhelming majority of people, we invariably observe a dramatic drop in quality (whereas the intellectual elites who're in a minority constitute the high quality people in the world).
Now, let's push the analysis further.
The intellectual elites are always in a minority but usually it's seen that whatever they think, say or do is usually of a consistently high quality and so logically speaking we set up a direct proportion for this relationship - a top notch intellectual is highly productive and so the number of his high quality thoughts, words and deeds number a lot and as these are consistently of a high quality thus the output (number of high quality thoughts, words and deeds) of a top-end intellectual is high and since these are usually of a high quality thus there exists a direct relationship (proportion) between the two.
So, to reiterate the point, we see a direct proportionality between the large number of an intellectual's thoughts, words and deeds and the high quality of the same.
So, you're wrong in your reasoning as usual.
ROFL.
You should have given that clarification, when you made that Single line statement.

I consider that rule is valid for number of posts one posts on these threads. Quality is inversely proportional to the quantity.

The more number of posts you do, the quality goes down.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#51852 May 7, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Prove it.
Every town has local regulations - some towns are subdivisions of the state and given that power.

Speed on a local road. That will be the proof.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#51853 May 7, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Even if it is oral or implied there are still elements that have to be there to make the provisions of the contract enforceable.
We are talking about social contracts, not lawyer tools. Expand your mind a little, understand a little about political theory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract

In political philosophy the social contract or political contractis a theory or model, originating during the Age of Enlightenment, that typically addresses the questions of the origin of society and the legitimacy of the authority of the state over the individual.[1] Social contract arguments typically posit that individuals have consented, either explicitly or tacitly, to surrender some of their freedoms and submit to the authority of the ruler or magistrate (or to the decision of a majority), in exchange for protection of their remaining rights. The question of the relation between natural and legal rights, therefore, is often an aspect of social contract theory.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51854 May 7, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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You should have given that clarification, when you made that Single line statement.

I consider that rule is valid for number of posts one posts on these threads. Quality is inversely proportional to the quantity.
The more number of posts you do, the quality goes down.
The problem with you is that you're not intelligent and so you tend to generalize based on your superficial and narrow outlook.

Where personality is concerned, remember each individual is unique and so there cannot be sweeping generalizations.

Anyway, good luck and take care.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51856 May 7, 2013
INSIGHTS ON THE PHYSICO-VITAL CONSCIOUSNESS-FORCE:

1) The life-force is an aspect of the vital consciousness-force.

2) When the life-force with its pentuple currents infuses the physical plane, it is known as the physico-vital.

3) The physico-vital force animates the physical energies and it also enlivens matter and works the organ systems. It's not surprising to know that there exist 5 fundamental physical forces - electrical, magnetic, gravitation, strong nuclear force and weak nuclear force. So, it's evident that the 5 life-force currents animate the 5 fundamental physical forces in nature.

4) When the physico-vital vibrations get into a state of disorder or when they begin vibrating in an irregular fashion, the result is diseases and when the physico-vital force permanently quits the body the condition is known as death.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51857 May 7, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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HughBe--- Our local flesh is NOT SWEET it is closer to being salt than sweet.
Clearly there I was referring to the milo.
HughBe wrote:
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Would you be interested in EATING our salt FISH?


Yes I would and anything else you recommend. I am very adventurous when it comes to trying different cuisines.
HughBe wrote:
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Former--Was that a yes or no about the Red Strip beer?
HughBe-- I am not a consumer of beer
No alcohol at all?
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51858 May 7, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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And what are the elements of a contract and are they present in government dealings?
No. Never said they were.

I asked you about social contracts.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51859 May 7, 2013
HOW DOES THE PHYSICO-VITAL FORCE VIVIFY THE BODY?

1) The physico-vital force has a rapid in and out motion which can be compared to a fast-moving sewing needle that moves in and out of the fabric in quick succession as it stitches.

2) The physico-vital force, with its pentuple currents, runs in and out of cells and tissues at a tremendous speed and in doing so it creates a fast-moving peristaltic wave in the medium it infuses and this is what causes the infused medium to get vivified and with this animation in place the indwelling mental consciousness gets in to a state of greater awareness and this accounts for the domination of the mental being (human being) over all other sentient species.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51860 May 7, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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A truly voluntary government would need consent of all parties.
An hoa is just an example.
If only the government would stick to protecting life, liberty and property we wouldnt have these problems.
If you buy into a community with an HOA in place, you must comply.

If you live in the USA, you must comply with the rights, privileges and responsibilities of being a US citizen.

America: Love it leave it.

We'll miss you.

BTW - where should we forward your mail?
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51861 May 7, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
We are talking about social contracts, not lawyer tools. Expand your mind a little, understand a little about political theory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract
In political philosophy the social contract or political contractis a theory or model, originating during the Age of Enlightenment, that typically addresses the questions of the origin of society and the legitimacy of the authority of the state over the individual.[1] Social contract arguments typically posit that individuals have consented, either explicitly or tacitly, to surrender some of their freedoms and submit to the authority of the ruler or magistrate (or to the decision of a majority), in exchange for protection of their remaining rights. The question of the relation between natural and legal rights, therefore, is often an aspect of social contract theory.
I posted this for him - see top post on this page where he replied to me and ignored my question about this exact same paragraph.

It might be too abstract for him to consider.

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