Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Safety pins and screws are still lodged in 15-year-old Ami Ortiz's body three months after he opened a booby-trapped gift basket sent to his family.

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“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#51714 May 4, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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I dont care who he was, point in fact that he does not cite any facts that the constitution and code are applicable.
Straw argument. That wasnt the point of that.

You really should study your political theory. Your fellow libertarians must be aghast.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#51715 May 4, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Will Smith has nothing to do with facts that the constitution and code are applicable.
Well, the fact is he got caught and had to pay a steep price. Thats good enough for the rest of us. And him. Government and laws exist.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#51716 May 4, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>Jesus also included his second coming on the Mount of Olives within that generation. I take issue with your statement that your God is the same as the God of the Jews. There is one striking difference that separates them. The God of Israel is alive and your god is dead, earth is called "the land of the living" and the whole purpose of the resurrection is to transcend death. The second coming on the Mount of Olives would occur within a matter of days after the Messiahs execution, it is the third Day of the Lord and will be her glory. "My glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images", Christianity is idolatry. "Their molten images are wind and confusion"
rabbee: hey! just because you still, think we are Both dead. does not make it, a true statement because you say so.

and do you know just how long, it is to the third day of G-D? that's like, 1948 man years!!!
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#51717 May 4, 2013
taulant wrote:
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Based on what you said,Germans made the right thing by killing pigs like you.you deserved it.
rabbee: sorry but the nazi pigs, missed their chance during wwii. they could no more kill me, than the pharoah could kill Moshe. but could explain my, gurgeling and cooing in the weeds for a while.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#51718 May 4, 2013
JOEL wrote:
The 7th plane and beyond are not within the body along the force centers in the spine leading to the pineal gland in the brain. The superior force fields - 7th and beyond - lie above the head. One can station one's awakened psychic in any of the planes that lie above the head and act with total command from outside the body.
rabbee: are you sure, that is not the 747th plane? cause you are really, self up there?
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#51719 May 4, 2013
JOEL wrote:
UPCOMING:
The Metempsychosis and its causal mechanism.
rabbee: didn't your mother warn you, about sniffing that flight fuel?
Voluntarist

United States

#51720 May 4, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Well, the fact is he got caught and had to pay a steep price. Thats good enough for the rest of us. And him. Government and laws exist.
Referring to what are the facts that the law is applicable.
Still waiting.

It always comes down to the gun.
Voluntarist

United States

#51721 May 4, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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can you give us an example of (voluntarist) consensual government?
Lacking an example, my belief is that your ideas are impractical over 20,000 years of human existence.
Sure, if i do will you give me $1000
Voluntarist

United States

#51722 May 4, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Straw argument. That wasnt the point of that.
You really should study your political theory. Your fellow libertarians must be aghast.
You have the straw man argument , will smith being the straw man .
People settle cases all day long without admitting guilt.

Asking for the facts is not a straw man argument.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#51723 May 4, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Referring to what are the facts that the law is applicable.
Still waiting.
It always comes down to the gun.
Straw position.

That wasnt your assertion. Your assertion was that the law and the state did not exist. Will proves it does. How it does was never in dispute.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#51724 May 4, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Sure, if i do will you give me $1000
IOW you concede on the issue of the practicality, and therefore the reality, of your ideas....

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#51725 May 4, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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You have the straw man argument , will smith being the straw man .
People settle cases all day long without admitting guilt.
Asking for the facts is not a straw man argument.
The fact he had to settle anything indicates that there was a structure....

You are obsessed with the minutia - but that isnt the point. The point is - DOES the state exist or does it not? Obviously it does. And it doesnt care what you think, only that you act in accordance.
Austinite

Austin, TX

#51726 May 4, 2013
I recall reading a few years back about Israel denying immigration to Israel black jews from Ethiopia. Rather ironic since they are supposed to be the direct decendants of Soloman.
Voluntarist

United States

#51727 May 4, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Straw position.
That wasnt your assertion. Your assertion was that the law and the state did not exist. Will proves it does. How it does was never in dispute.
No my question was what facts do you rely on that the constitition and code are applicable.
Voluntarist

United States

#51728 May 4, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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IOW you concede on the issue of the practicality, and therefore the reality, of your ideas....
An hoa is an example of a voluntary government.
Voluntarist

United States

#51729 May 4, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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The fact he had to settle anything indicates that there was a structure....
You are obsessed with the minutia - but that isnt the point. The point is - DOES the state exist or does it not? Obviously it does. And it doesnt care what you think, only that you act in accordance.
No that wasnt the question but now that you mention it, factually what is the state?
Voluntarist

United States

#51730 May 4, 2013
Report: U.S. Government and NATO
Worked with Bin Laden and His Top
Lieutenant 3 Months AFTER 9/11
Posted by WashingtonsBlog
FBI Translator Alleges that Bin Laden and His
Number 2 Worked as Part of Operation Gladio
Former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds has been
deemed credible by the Department of
Justice’s Inspector General, several senators
(free subscription required), and a coalition of
prominent conservative and liberal groups.
The ACLU described Edmonds as:
The most gagged person in the history of the
United States of America.
And famed Pentagon Papers whistleblower
Daniel Ellsberg says that Edmonds possesses
information “far more explosive than the
Pentagon Papers”.
Edmonds translated terror-related
communications for the FBI right after 9/11.
In that capacity, she read communications
between terrorists and other radicals.
Edmonds said last week that Bin Laden – and
his number 2 Al Qaeda lieutenant – Ayman
al-Zawahiri – worked with the U.S.
government for 3 months after 9/11 to
coordinate destablization in the Caucus
region:
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/05/report...
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51731 May 4, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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As long as it is consensual.
If you don't believe in democracy, what form of gov't DO you believe in?

It seems you're saying only 100% consensus is acceptable. How do you get 100% to agree on ANYTHING?

Again, what form of gov't do you propose?
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51732 May 4, 2013
Democracy is veiled autocracy.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51733 May 4, 2013
Laws and the state are mental constructs enforced through physical means.

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