Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Safety pins and screws are still lodged in 15-year-old Ami Ortiz's body three months after he opened a booby-trapped gift basket sent to his family.

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“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#51434 Apr 30, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Guns could be a symbol of independence.
Guns are merely an object. Your interpretation of what they mean - their symbolic meaning is a cognitive act.

Independence implies freedom from something (one could just as easy interpret guns as a symbol of dependance)- its all in your head according to ones world view.

If your world view is that the world is an unsafe place, then obviously you would interpret gun ownership as a way to make that place safer by giving yourself a degree of independence from existing conditions. If your world view is that the world is a safe place, then one could equally interpret gun ownership as an unnecessary complication into your life, and therefore a burden and a dependence upon a crutch to make you feel better.

Its all about creating predictability of one's "world" around them. And that "world" is more in one's head than anywhere else, IMO.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#51435 Apr 30, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Building 7 fell at near free fall speed
The mayor exited his bunker because he was told that the buildings were going to collapse (too bad he didnt warn those firefighters)
But right before the south tower collapsed, I noticed a lot of
people just left the lobby, and I heard we had a crew of all
different people, high-level people in government, everybody was
gone, almost like they had information that we didn't have.
[Joseph Pfeifer, Battalion Chief (F.D.N.Y.)]
I went down to the scene and we set up
headquarters at 75 Barkley Street, which
was right there with the Police
Commissioner, the Fire Commissioner, the
Head of Emergency Management, and we
were operating out of there when we were
told that the World Trade Center was going
to collapse. And it did collapse before we
could actually get out of the building, so
we were trapped in the building for 10, 15
minutes, and finally found an exit and got
out, walked north, and took a lot of people
with us.”
No modern steel high rise has ever collapsed due to fire.
What exactly is your theory?

What is the support for your theory?

What are the competing alternative hypothesis?

How does your support negate the competing hypotheses?

If you can START to fill in those questions, then you are on the entrance way to logically sound scientific thinking.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#51436 Apr 30, 2013
JOEL wrote:
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I'm your beloved kid.
A kid has every right to butt in when Papa is busy with others or to arm-twist Papa in giving him attention. This kid also corrects Papa when Papa errs for has it not been said that child is father of man? This kid of yours doesn't mind when Papa growls at him.
Be proud of your kid - me.
(smiles)
You're so adorable in many ways.
Dont be weird.

Just behave.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#51437 May 1, 2013
former res wrote:
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I won't press further.
We all need our personal space and time and experiences.
You DO realize that I accept "religion" on faith, and not on the analysis of evidence. ALl of that discussion is my guess about other people who convince themselves it is a logical process. I dont waste my time convincing myself of that.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#51438 May 1, 2013
JOEL wrote:
ROFL, Oh my, Susie, you're the height of stupidity. LOL.
That's okay. At least I am clear and want to be understood. Your posts are long and unintelligible, I don't even read most of them. You talk a lot but you not so smart.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#51439 May 1, 2013
Republicans embrace conspiracy theory that DHS is buying up ammo

James Inhofe and Jim Jordan believe the Obama Administration is trying to curb access to bullets

http://www.salon.com/2013/04/30/republicans_e...

A conspiracy theory is getting renewed life among Republicans who claim that the Obama administration, specifically the Department of Homeland Security, is buying up ammunition in order to thwart gun owners by taking over the market.

Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla., and Rep. Frank Lucas, both Republicans from Oklahoma, introduced a bill last week to crack down on the alleged practice......

....Even the NRA debunked these kinds of conspiracy theories in a press release last summer, saying that the DHS buying ammo is perfectly normal:“Much of the concern stems from a lack of understanding of the law enforcement functions carried about by officers in small federal agencies. These agents have the power to make arrests and execute warrants, just like their better-known counterparts at agencies like the FBI.”.....
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51440 May 1, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Except for
.....These findings are alarming because they show that conspiracy theories sow public mistrust and undermine democratic debate by diverting attention away from important scientific, political and societal issues.......
More likely the other way around.

The come FROM a sense of public mistrust.

And I don't see many NON-conspiracy types being swayed or distracted by these folks.

It's more like background static.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51441 May 1, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Religion also gives a path for those who need a focus - some way to whittle away at the time
There is no universal answer because people are all different.
Absolutely. As stated in the Ted piece:

Many other purposes for religion have been theorized but no universal answer has been found.
Frijoles wrote:
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I do think there is a difference in substance between conspiracy theorests and religionists, though. Conspiracists, on the average, are a whole lot more of crazy. They have to be.
My pointing out a few seemingly common elements [mostly just to be difficult], certainly doesn't imply these groups are the same as one another in any significant way.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51442 May 1, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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I was focusing on the literature aspect - the morals, the archetypes and the archtypical themes....
I like that part.

Great lessons for living.

The Sermon on the Mount has all the good stuff IMO.(beatitudes; golden rule; lord's prayer...)

(of course spoken like a fallen Christian - more familiar with the the NT)
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51443 May 1, 2013
JOEL wrote:
TOP 3 DUNCES ON THIS THREAD:
1) MUQ
2) Frijoles
3) Eric
I bet Huggy and I are tied for the #4 spot.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51444 May 1, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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True but if you are claiming that they are fairy tales then the burden is on you.
True. I can't prove who wrote them, when, where or why.(Nor can anyone else.)

I only suggest that they may be nothing more than fairy tales.

Anyone suggesting they are the word of god needs to prove this or at the very least, show some evidence of this being true.

And BTW - I would love to be proved wrong on all of this. Seriously.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51445 May 1, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Guns could be a symbol of independence.
Then call me independent!
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51446 May 1, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Are people that cling to their privacy or their free speech or their right to be left alone absent a search warrant just as bad?
Never said anyone was bad.

People need to meet their own needs in different ways.

As long as you aren't bothering anyone else, have at it.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51447 May 1, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Atheism was developed by our government in order to prepare us for One World government. That is why the government created Karl Marx.
What differentiates you from one who shares atheist beliefs, regardless of labels? Forget about groups, militancy etc. I'm focusing on the belief or lack thereof.

(I had missed this reply from you but just saw when looking for something else.)
JOEL

Thane, India

#51448 May 1, 2013
Ouch, Susie's punched me below the belt but my balls are safe. I thought she wanted to crush my testicles.

(wink wink wink)
JOEL

Thane, India

#51449 May 1, 2013
former res wrote:
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I bet Huggy and I are tied for the #4 spot.
LOL.

Chill, friend.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51450 May 1, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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You DO realize that I accept "religion" on faith, and not on the analysis of evidence. ALl of that discussion is my guess about other people who convince themselves it is a logical process. I dont waste my time convincing myself of that.
No but you're happy to waste my time arguing the point! A point you admit is "thoughtless."

:))

From last Friday:

"But my point was to show there are two populations you are mixing. The thoughtless and the thoughtful. Really, your grievance is with the thoughtless, the ones who rely on faith but claim it is evidence based. Not the thoughtful, who rely on faith, but have no such claim."

__________

It never fails to floor me how believers seem to forever be putting one another down.

They all believe in something unknown and likely unknowable but each feels superior to every other faction.(Not all feel that way but many do.)

"Thoughtless" "Fundies" "Anti-science" etc.

But you believe in something admittedly without a shred of evidence (or any pretense of) and therefore you label yourself one of the "thoughtful" believers.

Is this a self-serving analysis? Who can say? Certainly not me.

"I know nothing" Socrates
JOEL

Thane, India

#51451 May 1, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Dont be weird.

Just behave.
Ok, Papa.
JOEL

Thane, India

#51452 May 1, 2013
Atheism is as old as theism and perhaps it could be anterior to the latter...these days, atheism is fast catching on and if the stats are to believed more people are quitting religion than those joining it and it's predicted that in a few decades from now religion will become a fossil.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#51453 May 1, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
Republicans embrace conspiracy theory that DHS is buying up ammo
James Inhofe and Jim Jordan believe the Obama Administration is trying to curb access to bullets
http://www.salon.com/2013/04/30/republicans_e...
A conspiracy theory is getting renewed life among Republicans who claim that the Obama administration, specifically the Department of Homeland Security, is buying up ammunition in order to thwart gun owners by taking over the market.
Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla., and Rep. Frank Lucas, both Republicans from Oklahoma, introduced a bill last week to crack down on the alleged practice......
....Even the NRA debunked these kinds of conspiracy theories in a press release last summer, saying that the DHS buying ammo is perfectly normal:“Much of the concern stems from a lack of understanding of the law enforcement functions carried about by officers in small federal agencies. These agents have the power to make arrests and execute warrants, just like their better-known counterparts at agencies like the FBI.”.....
rabbee: most conspiracy theories, are like taking a stab in the dark. and seeing what comes up, on your own fork.

they are the result of knowing ,there is something wrong with this world today. but you do not know, for sure what it is. it's like deadly radiation, you can't see it, hear it, feel it, or taste it. but you just know, it is out there. and the chance are, you are all wrong about what it is. and are not smart enough, to figure out what is really is, or what it is all about.

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