Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Safety pins and screws are still lodged in 15-year-old Ami Ortiz's body three months after he opened a booby-trapped gift basket sent to his family.

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JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51373 Apr 30, 2013
Yawn, yawn, yawn.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#51374 Apr 30, 2013
JOEL wrote:
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LMAO.
In other words you're hinting that Frijoles is dumb or unintelligent.
Mmmmmmm, very true.
Frijoles raised the points below, I simply asked the questions. Now tell me why his response is nope and avoidance. Former is having the same problem with him.

1.What is RELIGION a subculture of, Frijoles? YOU spoke of it so explain it, Frijoles.

2.Is MURDER a standard of bygone days?

3.Define religious EVIDENCE, Frijoles.

4.Share the INTERNAL logic that you speak of below.

Frijoles---The problem is when they apply their standards to your world, and vice versa. That is what you are getting at. You dont buy their definition, and they shouldnt assume that you should. But among themselves, they have an internal logic.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51375 Apr 30, 2013
JOEL wrote:
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How much gray matter can be accommodated in your tiny brain, homo?
How many millions of 12 year old girls have become pregnant in your state this year?
(smiles)
BTW, did I mention that I speak Indian? Though I can only say two phrases:

"Thank you. Come again."

"Excuse me, please."
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51376 Apr 30, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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....To the ladies I say taste and see how wonderfully pleasurable and satisfying I am.
How strong is your evidence of this?

Or is it just a feeling you have?
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51377 Apr 30, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Frijoles raised the points below, I simply asked the questions. Now tell me why his response is nope and avoidance. Former is having the same problem with him.

1.What is RELIGION a subculture of, Frijoles? YOU spoke of it so explain it, Frijoles.

2.Is MURDER a standard of bygone days?

3.Define religious EVIDENCE, Frijoles.

4.Share the INTERNAL logic that you speak of below.

Frijoles---The problem is when they apply their standards to your world, and vice versa. That is what you are getting at. You dont buy their definition, and they shouldnt assume that you should. But among themselves, they have an internal logic.
Why bother Frijoles with such issues when it's evident that he's a dogmatist and knows nothing about the reality via direct experiences.

When a man (Frijoles) says, as he once said to me many years ago, that the soul is the life-force or that the highest reality is the life-force take it for granted that he's an ignorant person and is simply quoting ignorant scripture.

Even those ignorant prophets who he reveres equated the highest reality with the life force and so they would not know that the life force is simply an aspect of the vital consciousness-force and manifests in a pentuple movement as it penetrates matter and besides those violent and shallow prophets were ignorant of the numerous supra-vital planes and had little knowledge of the infra-vital planes and of the true vital plane as well - their minor experiences extended to exclusively the lower vital planes of the adverse kind. LOL.

The words "internal logic" are invariably used by those who fail to explain their beliefs.

They escape being taken to task with this phrase "internal logic" which means actually means nothing - even an idiot or an insane man can say that his method has an "internal logic" knowable only to him or to people like him. LMAO.

See, instinct is exceeded by reason, reason is exceeded by intuition.

When an intuition is true it will, on close scrutiny, always be supported by instinct and reason from below with there being no contradictions.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51378 Apr 30, 2013
CHINA CAPTURES INDIAN TERRITORY:

Meanwhile, Chinese troops have infiltrated tens of km into Indian territory and have encamped there with no intention as of now of budging and are waving banners in English that read, "You are in Chinese territory." The government of India is under severe pressure from the Indian public to take military action.

I remember, two things in this context:

1) In the late 1960s, the Mother, Sri Aurobindo's Jewish spiritual collaborator, had, in a vision, seen Chinese troops marching into the heart of Southern India several thousands of kms away from the Indo-China border, and

2) Many years ago, my ex-master had told someone that in the future China would conquer India.

Well, let's see what happens....
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51379 Apr 30, 2013
Interestingly, both the satanists and the spiritualist aim at a one world order sans geo-political borders, sans religions, sans politics, sans money, sans the old way of living. Barfani Baba, a 220 year old plus yogi living in the Indian state of Madhya Pradesh, had, in a booklet published many years ago, stated that by 2015 the world would experience great difficulties leading to destruction with just a handful of people surviving the mega-holocaust. Bose is busy accumulating ex-military personnel to help out during the destructive phase - world war 3. I am saying nothing for known reasons and am on the sidelines.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51380 Apr 30, 2013
Ylang Ylang essential oil is simply awesome with its combination of floral and woody top notes.
Voluntarist

United States

#51381 Apr 30, 2013
former res wrote:
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Thank you, sir.
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My whole point in being a non-believer is to admit the unknown and the unknowable.
So I also wouldn't agree with "believing that I know everything." Quite the opposite.
But I would also disagree with you, ATF.
It seems you do have an opinion. You either believe there's a god or you don't.
This is why for years I wouldn't call myself my an atheist, instead preferring the less committal term agnostic.
Eventually it was pointed out to me that I either believed or I didn't.
I would say besides scriptures which is reliable as hearsay i do not see any evidence of god but, I am in no way close minded to the thought that there is a supreme being,, a grand architect.

There is way too much in life to know and by the time you finish getting to know who you are dead
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51382 Apr 30, 2013
Rentals in the elite areas of South Mumbai are quite high. In Cuffe Parade, the monthly rental for a spacious 4 bedroom apartment ranges from $ 20,000 to $ 25,000 per month plus a refundable deposit of around $ 30,000 is taken from the lessee. The broker handles the entire deal. I've leased my 4 bedroom Cuffe Parade apartment for 3 years to an international bank who'll use the place as a guest-house for their short-term overseas visitors. The apartment is haunted and holds sad memories for me. Altamount Road, where I've shifted to, is swankier than Cuffe Parade. I want peace and a place to recover from the serious damage of the past.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51383 Apr 30, 2013
The Ezras are now my neighbors in Altamount Road.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51384 Apr 30, 2013
This shabbath the Ezras and I are scheduled to visit a quaint synagogue, Shaar Hashameim, Gate of Heaven, in suburban Mumbai where a sizable Jewish population comprising Baghdadi Jews and Bene Jews have settled. The senior Ezras have asked me to light 3 Yarzheit candles in memory of my late parents and late sister, Tina. I'm dead against hollow rituals and rely on a healthy combination of physical proof, intuition, higher logic and direct transcendental experiences. Shalom.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51385 Apr 30, 2013
Voluntarist's mind is choc-a-bloc with conspiracies and vain imaginations on a variety of subjects over which he has little or no grasp. Anyway, he's kind, courteous and a bit open-minded.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51386 Apr 30, 2013
"There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

William Shakespeare

(smiles)
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51387 Apr 30, 2013
Hueeeeeks, where art thou? Fiddling with your oijua board? Come online, Mon.

(laughs)
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51388 Apr 30, 2013
typo - ouija, not oijua.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#51389 Apr 30, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Former---I simply asked whether you find your evidence to be strong.
HughBe--- I have found that Frijoles encounters major challenges when it comes time for him to explain his words, thoughts or beliefs.
Rich words coming from the guy who evades any opportunity to post a developed set of thoughts in paragraph format

- choosing instead to ask preordained questions AND to pointlessly dissect other posts line by line - destroying the forest by dwelling on the trees
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51390 Apr 30, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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I would say besides scriptures which is reliable as hearsay i do not see any evidence of god but, I am in no way close minded to the thought that there is a supreme being,, a grand architect.
There is way too much in life to know and by the time you finish getting to know who you are dead
To paraphrase Socrates, "All I know is that I know nothing."

I too am open-minded which is why I resisted the atheist label for s long. It's too important to get this wrong.

But it's currently unknown and likely unknowable.

Two questions for you:

You say that "besides scripture" you see no evidence of god. Does this mean you consider scripture to be evidence of god?

And why do you consider scripture to be "reliable as hearsay?" How do you know these weren't written as fairy tales? Why couldn't they simply be ancient literature

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#51391 Apr 30, 2013
former res wrote:
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I think it's interesting that you think religion (and belief therein) is anything BUT complicated.(Though I don't really believe that's what you think.)
You said my evidence on the gun issue was weak. I simply asked whether you consider own evidence to be weak (or strong). Obviously you'd be using your own standards, not mine.
Equally obvious is the subjective nature of all of this.

Clearly you find your evidence strong enough to make you a believer - you binary switch of belief is in the "on" position.
I simply asked whether you find your evidence to be strong.
Do you not concur that the strength or weight of evidence (regardless of who is evaluating it) can be judged on continuum?
You DO understand that your earlier post had two topics - 1) nature of evidence and 2) my view on atheism

I never got to the second part. Here....

Under modern standards - feelings are weak evidence. Under relgious standards they are stronger. And from a personal perspective, I dont weigh much credibility with feelings, however experiences through meditation and the like are a whole other story...

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#51392 Apr 30, 2013
former res wrote:
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Hey - I thought I was the one making it too "complicated!"
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Eat me.
:))
You were kind of making the earlier issue complicated once it was reduced to a set of standards. Standards simplify things.
However, the greater discussion, without getting bogged down to assigning probabilities, is a very complicated topic, oversimplified, IMO by certain fundies who like to babble scripture as the ANSWER to it all without examining the nature of the question and its underlying assumptions and pre conceived concepts.

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