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former res

Cheshire, CT

#51353 Apr 30, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Your evidence is weak.
See?
Thats all one has to say.
That seems way too easy.

Do you feel you evidence is weak?
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51354 Apr 30, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
Your honor, I submit this for the record....
Thank you, sir.
Voluntarist wrote:

You dont have to believe in religion but dont be so ignorant as to believe that you know everything.
I dont have an opinion on the matter but i find athiests aggressive anti-religion sermons to be as boring and annoying as religious zealots rhetoric
My whole point in being a non-believer is to admit the unknown and the unknowable.

So I also wouldn't agree with "believing that I know everything." Quite the opposite.

But I would also disagree with you, ATF.

It seems you do have an opinion. You either believe there's a god or you don't.

This is why for years I wouldn't call myself my an atheist, instead preferring the less committal term agnostic.

Eventually it was pointed out to me that I either believed or I didn't.
JOEL

India

#51355 Apr 30, 2013
FORMER RES:

Were you in ecstasy the last tijme dear Hugh sodomized you with his 14" bamboo?

I guess you need a new boy/man every couple of days to fu-ck you, right?

LOL.
JOEL

India

#51356 Apr 30, 2013
Beliefs count for nothing. Experiences/realizations mean everythiing. The subjective and objective aspects should be explored experienced and manifrested in being.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#51357 Apr 30, 2013
former res wrote:
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That seems way too easy.
Do you feel you evidence is weak?
Why do you make this complicated? Religious zealot tells you he knows God exists because he feels it.

Evidence - feeling
Assertion - God exists

You evaluate it according to your standards
weak evidence due to subjectivity therefore low credibility
conclusion - evidence doesnt support assertion
dismissed

From the point of view of the claimant
feelings = credible evidence, subjectivity ok
conclusion - evidence supports assertion

Different standards - in the modern world your evaluation is the generally accepted standard

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#51358 Apr 30, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you, sir.
<quoted text>
My whole point in being a non-believer is to admit the unknown and the unknowable.
So I also wouldn't agree with "believing that I know everything." Quite the opposite.
But I would also disagree with you, ATF.
It seems you do have an opinion. You either believe there's a god or you don't.
This is why for years I wouldn't call myself my an atheist, instead preferring the less committal term agnostic.
Eventually it was pointed out to me that I either believed or I didn't.
I understand what you are getting at, and I agree that ATF (whether he is aware of this or not) has an opinion, he just doesnt feel like sharing it for dissection.

However, the question "Does God exist" is too simplistic to me. Too many assumptions regarding the definition of God (i.e. I dont believe God is a noun, I see the concept more like a verb). Furthermore, before one asks "Does God Exist" I think one has to first look at the question "DO I exist?".

And consider the boundary of that definition as well.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#51359 Apr 30, 2013
JOEL wrote:
Beliefs count for nothing. Experiences/realizations mean everythiing. The subjective and objective aspects should be explored experienced and manifrested in being.
I am not sure that would pass the Daubert test as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daubert_standard
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#51360 Apr 30, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
Speaking of the Blue Mountains, we brought some Blue
Mountain coffee home with us when we visited your
island nation several years ago.
The coffee was very tasty, dark and strong - much the way I
imagine you to be.
:))
Former---Speaking of the Blue Mountains, we brought some Blue
Mountain coffee home with us when we visited your
island nation several years ago.

HughBe--- No doubt it is a lovely place, in your mind.

Former--The coffee was very TASTY, dark and strong - much the way I
imagine you to be.

HughBe--- While I appreciate your good intentions I am a bit concerned about your use of TASTY as applied to me, by you a man.

No objections to your use of dark and strong. However I would have said dark as midnight and strong like a lion.

In essence you were correct even about the TASTY part. To the ladies I say taste and see how wonderfully pleasurable and satisfying I am.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#51361 Apr 30, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
nope
If you want to join our big boy conversation, suggest a view
pointless psuedo-socratic questions will be ignored
Frijoles---nope

HughBe--- Why nope? Are you illequippped to provide answers?

Frijoles---If you want to join our big boy conversation, suggest a view

HughBe--- I don't want to join BIG BOYS

AGAIN---

1.What is RELIGION a subculture of, Frijoles? YOU spoke of it so explain it, Frijoles.

2.Is MURDER a standard of bygone days?

3.Define religious EVIDENCE, Frijoles.

4.Share the INTERNAL logic that you speak of below.

Frijoles---The problem is when they apply their standards to your world, and vice versa. That is what you are getting at. You dont buy their definition, and they shouldnt assume that you should. But among themselves, they have an internal logic.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#51362 Apr 30, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Frijoles---nope
HughBe--- Why nope? Are you illequippped to provide answers?
Frijoles---If you want to join our big boy conversation, suggest a view
HughBe--- I don't want to join BIG BOYS
AGAIN---
1.What is RELIGION a subculture of, Frijoles? YOU spoke of it so explain it, Frijoles.
2.Is MURDER a standard of bygone days?
3.Define religious EVIDENCE, Frijoles.
4.Share the INTERNAL logic that you speak of below.
Frijoles---The problem is when they apply their standards to your world, and vice versa. That is what you are getting at. You dont buy their definition, and they shouldnt assume that you should. But among themselves, they have an internal logic.
apparently you dont want to join the big boys

have a nice day
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#51363 Apr 30, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
apparently you dont want to join the big boys
have a nice day
I have TWO fundamental problems with your offer--

1. JOINING is a problem as I shy away from joining, in the main.

2. It is complicate because YOU are BOYS.

3. Joining girls are a part of my policy but NOT boys.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51364 Apr 30, 2013
JOEL wrote:
FORMER RES:
Were you in ecstasy the last tijme dear Hugh sodomized you with his 14" bamboo?
I guess you need a new boy/man every couple of days to fu-ck you, right?
LOL.
Spoken just like a gang rapist.

Is that your new national sport?

How many Indians can you fit on top of a train?
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51365 Apr 30, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do you make this complicated? Religious zealot tells you he knows God exists because he feels it.
Evidence - feeling
Assertion - God exists
You evaluate it according to your standards
weak evidence due to subjectivity therefore low credibility
conclusion - evidence doesnt support assertion
dismissed
From the point of view of the claimant
feelings = credible evidence, subjectivity ok
conclusion - evidence supports assertion
Different standards - in the modern world your evaluation is the generally accepted standard
I think it's interesting that you think religion (and belief therein) is anything BUT complicated.(Though I don't really believe that's what you think.)

You said my evidence on the gun issue was weak. I simply asked whether you consider own evidence to be weak (or strong). Obviously you'd be using your own standards, not mine.

Equally obvious is the subjective nature of all of this.

Clearly you find your evidence strong enough to make you a believer - you binary switch of belief is in the "on" position.

I simply asked whether you find your evidence to be strong.

Do you not concur that the strength or weight of evidence (regardless of who is evaluating it) can be judged on continuum?
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51366 Apr 30, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>

Spoken just like a gang rapist.

Is that your new national sport?

How many Indians can you fit on top of a train?
How much gray matter can be accommodated in your tiny brain, homo?

How many millions of 12 year old girls have become pregnant in your state this year?

(smiles)
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51367 Apr 30, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
I understand what you are getting at, and I agree that ATF (whether he is aware of this or not) has an opinion, he just doesnt feel like sharing it for dissection.
It goes without saying - though I just today did say it - that ATF has the right to not engage in this discussion.
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
However, the question "Does God exist" is too simplistic to me.
Hey - I thought I was the one making it too "complicated!"
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Too many assumptions regarding the definition of God (i.e. I dont believe God is a noun, I see the concept more like a verb). Furthermore, before one asks "Does God Exist" I think one has to first look at the question "DO I exist?".
And consider the boundary of that definition as well.
Eat me.

:))
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#51368 Apr 30, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
I think it's interesting that you think religion (and belief therein) is anything BUT complicated.(Though I don't really believe that's what you think.)
You said my evidence on the gun issue was weak. I simply asked whether you consider own evidence to be weak (or strong). Obviously you'd be using your own standards, not mine.
Equally obvious is the subjective nature of all of this.
Clearly you find your evidence strong enough to make you a believer - you binary switch of belief is in the "on" position.
I simply asked whether you find your evidence to be strong.
Do you not concur that the strength or weight of evidence (regardless of who is evaluating it) can be judged on continuum?
Former---I simply asked whether you find your evidence to be strong.

HughBe--- I have found that Frijoles encounters major challenges when it comes time for him to explain his words, thoughts or beliefs.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#51369 Apr 30, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
It goes without saying - though I just today did say it - that ATF has the right to not engage in this discussion.
<quoted text>
Hey - I thought I was the one making it too "complicated!"
<quoted text>
Eat me.
:))
Be careful as he will be over in a jiffy.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51370 Apr 30, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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HughBe - I have found that Frijoles encounters major challenges when it comes time for him to explain his words, thoughts or beliefs.
LMAO.

In other words you're hinting that Frijoles is dumb or unintelligent.

Mmmmmmm, very true.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51371 Apr 30, 2013
former res wrote:
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Clearly you find your evidence strong enough to make you a believer
Evidence? LOL.

You mean he believes due to ancestral influences.

This is the sad case with all believers - they believe because their ancestors believed. Nothing more.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51372 Apr 30, 2013
former res wrote:
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Eat me.
Go find a cute boy to "eat", Mon.

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