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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#51159 Apr 26, 2013
JOEL wrote:
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ROFL.
You're as confused as those ignorant Hebrew patriarchs.
Life force and vital airs mean almost the same thing and are aspects of the universal vital consciousness-force.
Life and breath are related terms in a deeper sense.
Besides, the infused life-force animates the physical forces like electromagnetism, matter, and its states - solid, liquid, gas, plasma, gluon-quark plasma, Einstein-Bose condensate and so on.
An aspect of the life-force with its pentuple currents infuses matter and in the body it is known as the physico-vital which gives life and animates the organ systems.
Inhalation of oxygen like the ingestion of food, sleep, touch and other modes of action are ways of replenishing the life-force as it manifests in matter.
The life-force is an aspect of the vital consciousness and the life-force animates matter and draws in life force from the universal life-force currents through breathing in of air, food, touch and rest, as stated above.
Ruach and nepesh are in this way dependent terms and both refer to the vital principle though of course the Hebrews were ignorant of the fact that the life-force was an aspect of the vital and that it (life force) had 5 currents and so on and they were also ignorant of the states of existence that exceeded the vital.
Vital exceeds matter, mind exceeds the vital, supermind exceeds the mind, and so on....
Actually the cosmic hierarchy is as follows:
1) Matter
2) Subtle Physical
3) Lower Vital
4) Higher Vital
5) Mind
6) Higher Mind
7) Illumined Mind
8) Intuition Mind
9) Overmind - 1
10) Overmind -2
11) Overmind - 3
12) Overmind - 4
13) Supermind - 1
14) Supermind - 2
15) Supermind - 3
16) Supermind -4
and so on.....
Everything about the Middle Eastern cults is based on the vital force.
The Hebrews were stuck on the lowly vital plane and their G-d too is a vital being, one being among many, that they chose to worship as they had been taught by the pre-Hebrew seers of the older cultures of the Middle East.
The soul is something else. Read my post on the soul.
Here it is. This is the true meaning of the soul and it far far exceeds the ordinary meaning of soul given by those very ignorant Hebrew patriarchs.
WHAT IS THE SOUL?
1) The soul is the psychic consciousness which is a supporting and organizing grade of consciousness with its concomitant energy that stands behind the mental, vital, subtle physical, gross physical and subconscient layers of consciousness.
2) The psychic is usually smothered in most human beings since perverse mental, vital and physical instincts tend to choke it.
3) Only under certain conditions of balance among the psychological, vital and physical elements and with sustained aspiration and intense concentration on its root vibration does the psychic effulge and come to the forefront.
4) The psychic is a delegation of the cosmic self which in turn is a projection of the supracosmic self and this in turn is a direct line of consciousness put forth by the unified field of consciousness-energy when it manifests.
CONCLUSION: The satan-worshipping, incestuously born and mass-murdering Hebrew patriarchs, our deluded and wolf-in-sheep's clothing, Jesus, and the satanist, inbred and mass-murdering Muhammad had no knowledge of the psychic and its higher gradations. Expected!
And you don't believe in intelligent design? You are too smart for your own good and the bible says you're a fool.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51160 Apr 26, 2013
susanblange wrote:
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The Spirit is composed of Energy and consciousness which is connected to the mind.
Where are the terms energy and consciousness with their innate gradations mentioned in the Bible? There are no references to these entities. Besides, consciousness and energy are unified in the ultimate analysis and exist as a unified field with an inbuilt causal mechanism.

Spirit is therefore undefined in the Bible and is a mumbo jumbo term.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51161 Apr 26, 2013
susanblange wrote:
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The Spirit is composed of Energy and consciousness which is connected to the mind.
So, you're setting up a dualism here by positing that energy, consciousness and mind are causally unrelated.

Mind is a specific gradation of the manifested unified field of consciousness-Energy.

Refer to the cosmic hierarchy that I'd posted earlier to understand the position of mind in it.

I'll type a detailed piece on mind later.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51162 Apr 26, 2013
susanblange wrote:
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With the death of the brain, all our memories perish.
LOL.

Brain is the instrumental part of expressing the higher states of consciousness in matter.

Even when you have a functional brain the causal link between brain (matter) and consciousness is well-established and in fact what the consciousness perceives, feels, senses, thinks and so on is manifested as electrical impulses in matter (brain) and these get converted into synaptic connections and hormonal discharges etc.

On death, the imprints of your life activities and thoughts are stored in the psychic consciousness and so nothing is lost.

More on this later.

The Hebrew account of life, death and the afterlife is highly misleading but this only to be expected from the ignorant patriarchs.

Anyway.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#51163 Apr 26, 2013
False yogi on this thread?

Joel, who else?
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51165 Apr 27, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Do you consider yourself a citizen?
Define your term, please.

I smell a trap.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51166 Apr 27, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Not totally, because they habitually ignore any evidence to the contrary. Thats part of evaluation of the evidence too
But we are splitting hairs.
Back to our friend's example.

What evidence does any religious person have for the existences of his deity.

Same evidence for the Easter Bunny.

At least ATF et al have some evidence, whether or not you agree with it.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#51167 Apr 27, 2013
JOEL wrote:
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So, you're setting up a dualism here by positing that energy, consciousness and mind are causally unrelated.
Mind is a specific gradation of the manifested unified field of consciousness-Energy.
Refer to the cosmic hierarchy that I'd posted earlier to understand the position of mind in it.
I'll type a detailed piece on mind later.
I didn't say they were unrelated, I said they were related, Energy, consciousness and mind are the essence of the spirit of man which continues after death. Daniel 11:38 "But in his estate shall he honor the God of forces..." This is energy, electromagnetism, gravitation, and the nuclear force.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#51168 Apr 27, 2013
JOEL wrote:
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LOL.
Brain is the instrumental part of expressing the higher states of consciousness in matter.
Even when you have a functional brain the causal link between brain (matter) and consciousness is well-established and in fact what the consciousness perceives, feels, senses, thinks and so on is manifested as electrical impulses in matter (brain) and these get converted into synaptic connections and hormonal discharges etc.
On death, the imprints of your life activities and thoughts are stored in the psychic consciousness and so nothing is lost.
More on this later.
The Hebrew account of life, death and the afterlife is highly misleading but this only to be expected from the ignorant patriarchs.
Anyway.
The scripture says upon death all your thoughts perish, I'll believe the bible. We won't remember and feel the emotions of all the bad things that happened to us and the guilt of the sins we've committed.
JOEL

Pune, India

#51169 Apr 27, 2013
Brain-dead fool.
JOEL

Pune, India

#51170 Apr 27, 2013
INTRIGUE:

Ian Stevenson, Carlson Professor of Psychiatry at the University of Virginia, researched a case “A Case of Xenoglossy.”

In this instance, an American woman living in Philadelphia was regressed hypnotically and manifested the personality of a Swedish peasant farmer. She spoke fluent Swedish, although she had no prior contact with Swedish in her life; native Swedes confirmed her pronunciation to be fluent, even though many Swedish vowel sounds are extremely difficult for Americans to enunciate.

QUESTION: Why or How was this possible in the case under investigation?
JOEL

Pune, India

#51171 Apr 27, 2013
INTUITION:

Mathematician Karl Gauss after trying unsuccessfully for years to prove a certain theorem about whole numbers one day suddenly became aware of the solution.

Gauss described this experience as follows:

“Finally, two days ago I succeeded. Like a sudden flash of lightning the riddle happened to be solved. I myself cannot say what was the conducting thread which connected what I previously knew with what made my success possible.”

QUESTION:

What is the mechanism of intuition or inspiration?
JOEL

Pune, India

#51172 Apr 27, 2013
BEYOND MATTER:

1) At the beginning of the 20th century Pierre and Marie Curie together with a group of French scientists, performed psychic experiments.

Many of their experiments examined the abilities of an Italian medium, Eusapia Palladino.

She had psychokinetic abilities - she could move things without touching them.

The Curies examined her abilities as did many other famous scientists.

Pierre and Marie Curie were very experienced experimental physicists.

They carried out many tests on Palladino and concluded that they were seeing real phenomena.

2) Alfred R. Wallace (the originator of evolution theory based on natural selection) was of the opinion that human beings are more than just gross matter.

Wallace also performed psychic experiments together
with a famous physicist, Sir William Crookes, who was awarded the Nobel Prize for discovering
thallium. He invented the cathode ray tube, used in television and computer screens.

Crookes was also a famous experimental physicist and president of the Royal Society.

Wallace and Crookes investigated one psychic medium, Daniel Dunglas Home.

This may seem strange, but Crookes and Wallace were highly respected scientists who had great experience in the experimental field.

During one of the experiments, Home played an accordion holding it with one hand without touching the keyboard.

One possible explanation was that Home had specially prepared the accordion and therefore, Wallace and Crookes bought one another accordion to preclude this.

In other experiments, they bound the legs and the arms of Home and he still produced melodies from the new accordion. They also saw the accordion fly in the air while producing different melodies.

(SOURCE: BEYOND MATTER By Michael Cremo)

QUESTION:

What conclusions can be drawn from the above two interesting case studies conducted by world famous scientists?
JOEL

Pune, India

#51173 Apr 27, 2013
"After the conversations about Indian philosophy, some of the ideas of Quantum Physics that had seemed so crazy suddenly made much more sense".

W. Heisenberg (German Physicist, 1901-1976)
JOEL

Pune, India

#51174 Apr 27, 2013
"The Vedanta and the Sankhya hold the key to the laws of mind and thought process which are co-related to the Quantum Field, i.e. the operation and distribution of particles at atomic and molecular levels."

Prof. Brian David Josephson (1940 -) Welsh physicist, the youngest Nobel Laureate
JOEL

Pune, India

#51175 Apr 27, 2013
To realize a truth, theories must be remolded according to practice and not practice made to suit the theories !
JOEL

Pune, India

#51176 Apr 27, 2013
All selves are simply individualized aspects of one Universal Self.
JOEL

Pune, India

#51177 Apr 27, 2013
TIME FOR DIRECT ACTION - BEYOND GOD, PROPHETS & SCRIPTURES:

The reach and days of the Bible, Koran and Vedas are over and their messages in varying degrees reflected the Truth or Untruth in various stages of perception at different points in time......

There is far more to what any scripture can say on the subject of The Ultimate Reality and Its graduated Manifestation.

We have to discover via direct transcendental experiences the first hand proof that these ancient books reveal and we also ought to map the unknown realms of the various planes and phenomena that're not hinted at in the books and have not been mapped or detailed and then go beyond the scope of the scriptures in our quest for something still higher and to the Ultimate Reality and make that all a part of earth life.

The time for infantile book reading, submitting to petty gods of the lower planes, blind acquiescence to ordinary dictates and belief in prophesy and revelation is over; now is the time for direct action which is to consciously ascend to the subtler cosmic and supracosmic realms and to bring down their power (beginning with the Supermind) in stages into the earth consciousness, earth matter and humanity and usher in the eternal Age of the Unified Truth - Consciousness that has the power to abolish every limitation or perversion that exists in the world.

What Krishna, Buddha, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad did not and could not do during their times can now, due to the superlative Work of later day Spiritual Pioneers like Aurobindo, be achieved as suitable conditions have gradually been created upon the unregenerate earth plane for the bringing down and the subsequent manifestation of the Supermind in the earth consciousness, earth matter and humanity that'll signal the advent of an Age based on Truth, Harmony, Progressive Perfection and absence of all existing shortcomings that humanity assumes are "normal" and has become used to.....

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#51179 Apr 27, 2013
former res wrote:
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Back to our friend's example.
What evidence does any religious person have for the existences of his deity.
Same evidence for the Easter Bunny.
At least ATF et al have some evidence, whether or not you agree with it.
Some use subjective experiential feelings, other use testament as documented in their scriptures. It IS evidence, though it doesnt meet what you might consider as "modernly" acceptable standards for credibility, because of deficiencies regarding QA/QC.(Quality Assurance/ Quality Control). But it is evidence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence

Evidence, broadly construed, is anything presented in support of an assertion. This support may be strong or weak. The strongest type of evidence is that which provides direct proof of the truth of an assertion. At the other extreme is evidence that is merely consistent with an assertion but does not rule out other, contradictory assertions, as in circumstantial evidence.

In law, rules of evidence govern the types of evidence that are admissible in a legal proceeding, as well as the quality and quantity of evidence that are necessary to fulfill the legal burden of proof. Types of legal evidence include testimony, documentary evidence, and physical evidence.

Scientific evidence consists of observations and experimental results that serve to support, refute, or modify a scientific hypothesis or theory, when collected and interpreted in accordance with the scientific method.
Voluntarist

United States

#51180 Apr 27, 2013
former res wrote:
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Define your term, please.
I smell a trap.
Just a simple question, if you vote you do voter registration?
You are a citizen correct?

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