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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#51073 Apr 24, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>What I am saying is that all of Israel (both houses) are half Syrian. The northern kingdom of Israel, also called Joseph is half Egyptian. Manasseh and Ephraims' mother was Egyptian. What unites them is not race, it's their common belief in the God of Israel. The Messiah will unite the righteous against the wicked and both come in all races, creeds, and colors.
rabbee: but there was, no syria or ottoman empire then.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#51074 Apr 24, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>The Arabs are not just semitic, they are also the children of Abraham thru his firstborn son, Ishmael. Sarah was the mother of Isaac and G-d chose him to continue the seed from. For this reason the matriarchs are superior to the patriarchs in prophecy.
rabbee: you forgot about, the grandchildren of Lot too? and all the ones, the multitude failed to take out as instructed by G-D.

And Their names are, Avraham, Eeshmael and Yeetzak. since you are not supposed to even, alter one name in TheTorah also. so no! you can't really change, Yeshooah Adam to the fake name jesus either. nor can you change, the name of sarah to eve either. cause it is not authorized by TheG-D of Only TheTorah Happening here in IT again. so it does not matter, what all the wicked and evil say about not being here in TheTorah thrice again.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#51075 Apr 24, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
My Jewish grandfather did NOT marry my grandmother. They F etc but no marriage.
rabbee: do not be fooled by what, this world calls a marriage. what matters is what, G-D considers as a marriage to THEM. Avraham and Sarah, did not need a piece of paper, worldly rules, or allegedly married in a ceremonial church of the world to be called a marriage by G-D. so they agreed to go into the G-Dly males tent, and stay with them. is as far, as i can determine. and it always seem to appear to be, the womans choice then.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#51077 Apr 25, 2013
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>
rabbee: but there was, no syria or ottoman empire then.
Laban the Syrian was the brother of Rebekah and the father of Leah and Rachel so Syria did exist back then. In prophecy, Syria and Assyria are interchangeable.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#51078 Apr 25, 2013
Voluntatist wrote:
<quoted text>
Its no theory that both of my posts got deleted, the one you probably didnt see from army dot com.?
I get posts deleted all the time too.
Voluntatist wrote:
<quoted text>Are you stating that there is no interment camps in the united states? or there are no plans to use them?
The article went into that under the subtopic - when all else fails, expand the conspiracy

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#51079 Apr 25, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
1.Dear clueless, I have been talking about INTERRACIAL marriages and mixing.
2.Your introduction of RELIGION i.e. Christians and Muslims is senseless.
3. I did NOT speak on ETHNICITY as you have so falsely said. I am still waiting on YOU to define ETHNICITY.
This was the latest statement I was examining

"Question, does "it stands to reason" that DISCRIMINATION cannot be as great as where there is a HIGH level of SEGREGATION as in ISRAEL?"

AGAIN, WHO THE HECK ARE THE GROUPS YOU are alleging are being discriminated?

What basis do you define their groupings?

And almost finally, how do you define discrimination?

And finally, finally, what is your empirical support for your notion that intermarriage (i.e. racial mixing) is the inverse of discrimination?

It seems to me that you can blow smoke easily but when asked for clarifications you hide
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#51080 Apr 25, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>Laban the Syrian was the brother of Rebekah and the father of Leah and Rachel so Syria did exist back then. In prophecy, Syria and Assyria are interchangeable.
rabbee: not according to G-D, are you to change any letter in TheTorah. no you can not, call assyria syria. the syria of today, is nothing like the assyria of yesterday passed by. and muslems did not even, exist then.

sound more like you have, been personaly taught by the author of all confusion.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#51081 Apr 25, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>Laban the Syrian was the brother of Rebekah and the father of Leah and Rachel so Syria did exist back then. In prophecy, Syria and Assyria are interchangeable.
rabbee: why should i believe anything you write, with your not here in TheTorah mentality? when you can't even get, the name Revekah right.

it does not seem to even, bother you. that you are constantly getting, names wrong according to scripture. are you purposly, making fun of names in scripture? or are you just too, plain ashamed to get them right according to G-D?
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#51082 Apr 25, 2013
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>
rabbee: not according to G-D, are you to change any letter in TheTorah. no you can not, call assyria syria. the syria of today, is nothing like the assyria of yesterday passed by. and muslems did not even, exist then.
sound more like you have, been personaly taught by the author of all confusion.
Unlike you, nobody has taught me anything and most of my doctrine is original. I practice the word of the living G-d. Daniel 8:12 "...and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practiced and prospered".
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#51083 Apr 25, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>Unlike you, nobody has taught me anything and most of my doctrine is original. I practice the word of the living G-d. Daniel 8:12 "...and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practiced and prospered".
rabbee: well unlike you, G-D has been my only true TEACHER. and i already told you, i do not accept new testaments.

if you can't truly answer me, with only TheTorah. then you got to be, lying somehow. so you can reject what, G-D Personaly taught to me. over your alleged, nobody teaching you.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#51085 Apr 25, 2013
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>
rabbee: well unlike you, G-D has been my only true TEACHER. and i already told you, i do not accept new testaments.
if you can't truly answer me, with only TheTorah. then you got to be, lying somehow. so you can reject what, G-D Personaly taught to me. over your alleged, nobody teaching you.
The holy Spirit has taught me thru meditation, and if you're going to call me a liar we can end this right now. Do you really think that I think I can make myself the Messiah if I'm not? I'm not that ignorant.
Voluntatist

United States

#51086 Apr 25, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
I get posts deleted all the time too.
<quoted text>
The article went into that under the subtopic - when all else fails, expand the conspiracy
So here you are asked a question and you wont answer it.

We know that through rex 84 there is a "civilian inmate labor program"
And we know that the army is looking to hire for interment camps.
And we know that there are FEMA "emergency shelters" all over this US , lock down facilities.

But those 3 things dont exist according to you? or are they just harmless government programs in your opinion?

Has the us government had internment camps operational in the past?
Why wouldnt they use them again?

As far as the Boston bombers, the city was in martial law during the so called "man hunt" would you agree?

Also i made the comment in the past that there are people out there that aspire to create a one world government, that is one governing body for the entire world and i backed that up with quotes.
So are you now saying that isnt true again?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#51087 Apr 25, 2013
Voluntatist wrote:
<quoted text>
So here you are asked a question and you wont answer it.
We know that through rex 84 there is a "civilian inmate labor program"
And we know that the army is looking to hire for interment camps.
And we know that there are FEMA "emergency shelters" all over this US , lock down facilities.
But those 3 things dont exist according to you? or are they just harmless government programs in your opinion?
Has the us government had internment camps operational in the past?
Why wouldnt they use them again?
As far as the Boston bombers, the city was in martial law during the so called "man hunt" would you agree?
Also i made the comment in the past that there are people out there that aspire to create a one world government, that is one governing body for the entire world and i backed that up with quotes.
So are you now saying that isnt true again?
You are all over the place - lets try to be systematic

1. Fema camps is a myth

2. Yes, for a very long part of a day Boston was in lockdown, and probably not a lot of fun to be in.

3. The intent for One World government clearly exists. In your mind.
Voluntarist

United States

#51088 Apr 25, 2013
It was a response to your article which was all over the place
Lets start with fema camps with my first fact
EXECUTIVE ORDER # 11000 Allows the
government to mobilize civilians into work
brigades under government supervision
do you admit or deny?
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#51089 Apr 25, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>The holy Spirit has taught me thru meditation, and if you're going to call me a liar we can end this right now. Do you really think that I think I can make myself the Messiah if I'm not? I'm not that ignorant.
rabbee: sorry! but TheRuach HaKodesh, does not tell lies. does not get names wrong, nor disavows being here in TheTorah. i have seen and spoken with G-D, and you can't get More HOLY-SPIRIT than this.

and there is the unholy spirit too, i hope you do know. and i believe you can be, just as easily decieved by them as everyone else in this world including the muslems, jews, and christian.

G-D does not send, TheRuach HaKodesh to those who only want to hear vain lies. and there is not one person in this world, that thinks they are some kind of special messiah of some sorts.

if you even think, there is more than a few holy persons in this world today. then you are painting, a false vain picture.

and you are not calling me a liar, but are calling TheG-D WHO gave this assignment to me a liar. so how can any holy spirit, call THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT a liar?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#51090 Apr 25, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
It was a response to your article which was all over the place
Lets start with fema camps with my first fact
EXECUTIVE ORDER # 11000 Allows the
government to mobilize civilians into work
brigades under government supervision
do you admit or deny?
No, that article had a specific topic, and lets stay on that topic for a change.

It proposed a modal personality and suggested several ways to sustain that personality. Was there anything in that article you really objected to? One of the more interesting things I got from it is that conspiracy theorists conjure their ideas up as a need to control their reality. Is that the case with you?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#51091 Apr 25, 2013
http://www.salon.com/2013/04/24/why_people_be...

What are the psychological forces at play in conspiracy thinking?

Basically what’s happening in any conspiracy theory is that people have a need or a motivation to believe in this theory, and it’s psychologically different from evidence-based thinking. A conspiracy theory is immune to evidence, and that can pretty well serve as the definition of one. If you reject evidence, or reinterpret the evidence to be confirmation of your theory, or you ignore mountains of evidence to focus on just one thing, you’re probably a conspiracy theorist. We call that a self-sealing nature of reasoning.

Another common trait is the need to constantly expand the conspiracy as new evidence comes to light. For instance, with the so-called Climategate scandal, there were something like nine different investigations, all of which have exonerated the scientists involved. But the response from the people who held this notion was to say that all of those investigations were a whitewash. So it started with the scientists being corrupt and now not only is it them, but it’s also all the major scientific organizations of the world that investigated them and the governments of the U.S. and the U.K., etc., etc. And that’s typical — instead of accepting the evidence, you actually turn it around and say that it’s actually evidence to support the conspiracy because it just means it’s even broader than it was originally thought to be.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#51092 Apr 25, 2013
http://www.salon.com/2013/04/24/why_people_be...

Everyone is prone to some degree of bias and motivated reasoning — where do you draw the line, if there is one?

The crucial difference between having a preconceived notion — we all do that, of course — and conspiratorial thinking is when you get into that self-sealing reasoning and ignore every piece of evidence that is pointing the other way, when you’re starting to broaden the circle of conspirators, and when your skepticism gets to be nihilistic — when you believe absolutely nothing that the government or the media is saying — that’s when you’ve crossed the line.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#51093 Apr 25, 2013
http://www.salon.com/2013/04/24/why_people_be...

First of all, why do people believe conspiracy theories?

There are number of factors, but probably one of the most important ones in this instance is that, paradoxically, it gives people a sense of control. People hate randomness, they dread the sort of random occurrences that can destroy their lives, so as a mechanism against that dread, it turns out that it’s much easier to believe in a conspiracy. Then you have someone to blame, it’s not just randomness.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51094 Apr 25, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
.... and it’s psychologically different from evidence-based thinking. A conspiracy theory is immune to evidence, and that can pretty well serve as the definition of one. If you reject evidence, or reinterpret the evidence to be confirmation of your theory [belief], or you ignore mountains of evidence to focus on just one thing .....
Sounds a lot like religion - both Testaments!

How are things downstate? Nice up here in New Haven County.

Did I see Huggybear lurking around here again?

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