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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Voluntarist

United States

#50861 Apr 17, 2013
Eric wrote:
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you have to be more specific. The phrase is unreasonable searches and seizures.
Every arrest without a warrant is presumptively unreasonable.
Eric

La Grange Park, IL

#50862 Apr 17, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Nice attorning there, and checkpoints have been ruled reasonable as long as they stop everyone.
and your point is? The constitution not only contains the 4th amendment but also the 3d article. We are a nation of laws. Someone has to decide in times of dispute what is reasonable. That decision was made by those who are charged with that chore under the 3d article.
Eric

La Grange Park, IL

#50863 Apr 17, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Every arrest without a warrant is presumptively unreasonable.
so a crime committed in front of the officer shouldn't result in arrest. The officer should let the perpetrator go and get a warrant and then find the perpetrator again?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#50864 Apr 17, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Proof that the government is using the bombing to clamp down on civil liberties.
You would have to show me the article.

But dont bother - because all it will do is move the conversation over to what is considered a reasonable action vs a clamping down of civil liberties - and I doubt you and I will ever agree on that.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#50865 Apr 17, 2013
Eric wrote:
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so a crime committed in front of the officer shouldn't result in arrest. The officer should let the perpetrator go and get a warrant and then find the perpetrator again?
no wonder why my taxes are so high.

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#50866 Apr 17, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Nice attorning there, and checkpoints have been ruled reasonable as long as they stop everyone.
Dotn forget the fema camps. We are building one just for you.
Voluntarist

United States

#50868 Apr 17, 2013
Eric wrote:
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so a crime committed in front of the officer shouldn't result in arrest. The officer should let the perpetrator go and get a warrant and then find the perpetrator again?
No that would be an exception to the warrant requirement, but once the alleged perpetrator is detained the arresting officer has a duty to present the accused before proper authority.

For authority to hold.
Eric

La Grange Park, IL

#50869 Apr 17, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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No that would be an exception to the warrant requirement, but once the alleged perpetrator is detained the arresting officer has a duty to present the accused before proper authority.
For authority to hold.
So, it's the grand jury or the probable cause hearing. Nothing new here.
Voluntarist

United States

#50870 Apr 17, 2013
Eric wrote:
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So, it's the grand jury or the probable cause hearing. Nothing new here.
A probable cause determination by a neutral magistrate.

An arrest without a warrant is presumably unlawful unless there is that determination by a magistrate.

So does an officer have authority to make a warrantless arrest, yes but it is not presumed lawful.

The same should hold for a warrantless search but politicians in dresses claim that this RIGHT can be abridged as long everyone is searched.
So how is that any different in principle than institutionalized discrimination?
Voluntarist

United States

#50871 Apr 17, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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He is talking about Communism, and his gift to our country on that issue was the initiation into involvement into Vietnam.
I dont get any link with that with anything going on now. Noone except Volunteerist is claiming additional government control due to the recent bombing.
That is a false statement, I am not the only one.

Commuters said they welcomed the additional security in
the wake of the Boston Marathon bombings. The
Metropolitan Transportation Authority is increasing patrol
coverage and bag inspections on Metro-North and Long
Island railroads as a result of the attack, Aaron Donovan,
an MTA spokesman said.

http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/...

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#50872 Apr 18, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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That is a false statement, I am not the only one.
Commuters said they welcomed the additional security in
the wake of the Boston Marathon bombings. The
Metropolitan Transportation Authority is increasing patrol
coverage and bag inspections on Metro-North and Long
Island railroads as a result of the attack, Aaron Donovan,
an MTA spokesman said.
http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/...
Like I just said, what some might see as logical and legally sound responses, others might see as infringements to civil liberties. Nothing new there.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#50873 Apr 18, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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That is a false statement, I am not the only one.
Commuters said they welcomed the additional security in
the wake of the Boston Marathon bombings. The
Metropolitan Transportation Authority is increasing patrol
coverage and bag inspections on Metro-North and Long
Island railroads as a result of the attack, Aaron Donovan,
an MTA spokesman said.
http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/...
I see nothing alarmist in that article, nothing that hasnt been done before, nothing that is an expansion past reasonable

Obviously you disagree. Which tells me that your beef is not with the response, which is logical, but with legality of the paradigm which has been in place BEFORE the bombing.

So stop citing the bombing, its a red herring to your argument.

As for your real argument, I dont buy into it, obviously.

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" Security at rail stations and on board Metro-North commuter trains was visibly heightened Tuesday, as bomb-sniffing dogs, along with local, federal and transit authorities, patrolled platforms and rode rail cars.

Commuters said they welcomed the additional security in the wake of the Boston Marathon bombings. The Metropolitan Transportation Authority is increasing patrol coverage and bag inspections on Metro-North and Long Island railroads as a result of the attack, Aaron Donovan, an MTA spokesman said.

"The increased coverage will continue until we fully understand the cause of the explosions in Boston..."

"......"The MTA police often do random bag inspections and platform sweeps but today more so," Anders said. "It is obviously an exercise, a show of force intended to both reassure customers and intimidate bad guys."

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#50874 Apr 18, 2013
Correction

I see nothing alarmist in that article, nothing that hasnt been done before, nothing that is an unreasonable expansion...
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#50875 Apr 18, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>The OT is complete and requires no addition or elaboration. The next prophet is the Messiah who will be greater than Moses. Allah is a new God, the God of Israel created the universe and everything in it.
The OT itself says that a Prophet like Moses shall arise amongst the "brethren of Israel"....and you are making all these idiotic comments.

What do you say about mistakes, discrepancies and mistakes in OT books, who did it? God?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#50876 Apr 18, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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The OT itself says that a Prophet like Moses shall arise amongst the "brethren of Israel"....and you are making all these idiotic comments.
What do you say about mistakes, discrepancies and mistakes in OT books, who did it? God?
My guess would be the same thing that you would say about the mistakes, discrepancies and mistakes in the Koran....

that glass house - throwing stones thing again
Voluntarist

United States

#50877 Apr 18, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Like I just said, what some might see as logical and legally sound responses, others might see as infringements to civil liberties. Nothing new there.
But the word is "increased" so there is increased government infringement , whether you think it I'd justified or not that is irrelevant.

So you were wrong that I am the only obey claiming that, so just concede that you were wrong so we can move on.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#50878 Apr 18, 2013
JOEL wrote:
Yes, Hugh, I am handome.
Seeing me you're sure to get an erection.
(smiles)
Reading your words gave me a good laugh.

Much love from dearest Hugh
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#50879 Apr 18, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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He is talking about Communism, and his gift to our country on that issue was the initiation into involvement into Vietnam.
I dont get any link with that with anything going on now. Noone except Volunteerist is claiming additional government control due to the recent bombing.
Try listening with UNDERSTANDING. Initially he made a comparison with communism but that is NOT the FOCUS.

HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#50880 Apr 18, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Are you hopelessly naive? Or do you just hate Jews?
Persecution on Indians in Brazil
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient=psy-...
Mariana DM 1989 --You don't have a right to condemn me for a country's society if I do not come from that country. Let us compare my Brazil and your israel and israel will end up looking like the 4th reich

Frijoles---Or do you just hate Jews?

HughBe--- Read what the poster is saying and do so with UNDERSTANDING and an open mind. There is NO hate, from her.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#50881 Apr 18, 2013
Eric wrote:
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btw, messianics are Christians
Mariana DM 1989 --------It's not only Messianic Jews who are persecuted in Israel. Christians and Muslims also get discriminated against.

Eric---btw, messianics are Christians

HughBe--- Correct but some are JEWS by race and SEED of Israel. Change those FACTS, rabbi.

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