Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Apr 17, 2013
 
This is a citation for the first incident:

http://www.brazzilmag.com/component/content/a...
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Mariana DM 1989 wrote:
It's not only Messianic Jews who are persecuted in Israel. Christians and Muslims also get discriminated against.
rabbee: everyone who resides in Ysrael, is being persecuted and targeted by muslems. so what's, your point?

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Mariana DM 1989 wrote:
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without any cases, that all means nothing and must be taken with a pinch of salt. Still it does not prove that there is racism as there is in Israel. you won't find any cases. wheras i can find you thousands of cases of racist incidents in israel.
read this article
http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/jerusalem-vivend...
"When an Arab attacks a Jew, hes a terrorist, hes been taught to hate. When a Jew attacks an Arab, hes just a loner, an oddball, a bad egg..."

Poppy cock. You are cherry picking your articles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_religious...

"....According to a study by the political scientist Noemi Gal-Or, since the creation of Israel, Jewish terrorism has been assessed as "far less significant" than Arab terrorism.[8] It lasted a few years during the 1950s and was directed at internal Israel-Jewish targets, not at the Israeli Arab population.[8] There was then a long intermission until the 1980s, when the Jewish Underground was exposed.[8]

It has been suggested that a striking similarity between the Jewish groups, and jihad networks in Western democracies is their alienation and isolation from the values of the majority, mainstream culture, which they view as an existential threat to their own community. Other similarities between these groups are that their terrorist ideology is not exclusively religious, as it attempts to achieve political, territorial and nationalistic goals as well, e.g. the disruption of the Camp David accords. However, the newer of these Jewish groups have tended to emphasise religious motives for their actions at the expense of secular ones. In the case of Jewish terrorism most networks consist of religious Zionists and ultra-orthodox Jews living in isolated, homogenous communities.[9]

The following groups have been considered religious terrorist organizations in Israel:..."

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btw, messianics are Christians
She is also confusing the issue of persecution (Messianic Christians) with discrimination (Christians and Arabs). The two are related but definitely not necessarily the same.

Usual inflammation of words to exaggerate a point
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I havent seen the paper edition in years.
Every so often they give out freebies and it goes in the recycling bn along with the yearly free phonebooks
In any case it's in the Stamford advocate
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So, institutional racism does not count in your book. It's ok if all of the Black former slaves are discriminated against.
Do you think it's ok that the fourth amendment be violated as long as they violate everyone's privacy?

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eminders of Racism in Modern Brazil
March 23, 2013Colin M. SniderLeave a commentGo to comments

When I was in Brazil, Id occasionally encounter people who repeated the Freyrean idea that Brazil isnt racist in the ways the US was due to the greater variation in skin-color in Brazil and the absence of Jim Crow-style laws.

Of course, this is a red herring that presumes racism only takes one form, and throughout the twentieth century, something against which people like Abdias do Nascimento actively fought.

And of course, then, this week provided three ugly and disgusting reminders of how far the myth of a racial democracy is from the reality of modern forms of racism in Brazil.....

http://americasouthandnorth.wordpress.com/201...

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Voluntarist wrote:
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In any case it's in the Stamford advocate
whats in the advocate?
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So, institutional racism does not count in your book. It's ok if all of the Black former slaves are discriminated against.
rabbee: well i am sure, that G-D had the usual really good reason. for commanding, the elslavement of any peoples. and it is most definatly, not because of their alleged race.
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Voluntarist wrote:
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Do you think it's ok that the fourth amendment be violated as long as they violate everyone's privacy?
you have to be more specific. The phrase is unreasonable searches and seizures.

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Do you think it's ok that the fourth amendment be violated as long as they violate everyone's privacy?
I missed the linkage, but whats new on that front.
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you have to be more specific. The phrase is unreasonable searches and seizures.
Nice attorning there, and checkpoints have been ruled reasonable as long as they stop everyone.
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whats in the advocate?
Proof that the government is using the bombing to clamp down on civil liberties.
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you have to be more specific. The phrase is unreasonable searches and seizures.
Every arrest without a warrant is presumptively unreasonable.
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Nice attorning there, and checkpoints have been ruled reasonable as long as they stop everyone.
and your point is? The constitution not only contains the 4th amendment but also the 3d article. We are a nation of laws. Someone has to decide in times of dispute what is reasonable. That decision was made by those who are charged with that chore under the 3d article.
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Every arrest without a warrant is presumptively unreasonable.
so a crime committed in front of the officer shouldn't result in arrest. The officer should let the perpetrator go and get a warrant and then find the perpetrator again?

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Proof that the government is using the bombing to clamp down on civil liberties.
You would have to show me the article.

But dont bother - because all it will do is move the conversation over to what is considered a reasonable action vs a clamping down of civil liberties - and I doubt you and I will ever agree on that.

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so a crime committed in front of the officer shouldn't result in arrest. The officer should let the perpetrator go and get a warrant and then find the perpetrator again?
no wonder why my taxes are so high.

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Nice attorning there, and checkpoints have been ruled reasonable as long as they stop everyone.
Dotn forget the fema camps. We are building one just for you.
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so a crime committed in front of the officer shouldn't result in arrest. The officer should let the perpetrator go and get a warrant and then find the perpetrator again?
No that would be an exception to the warrant requirement, but once the alleged perpetrator is detained the arresting officer has a duty to present the accused before proper authority.

For authority to hold.

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