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“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#50539 Apr 7, 2013
JOEL wrote:
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Hi Papa.
I am not communicating with you until you desist posting prejudicial content about my religion or people.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#50540 Apr 7, 2013
HUGH dear,

Where are you, dear?

Are you a drunkard?

Your pal,

Sweet Joel.

(smiles)
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#50541 Apr 7, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>

I am not communicating with you until you desist posting prejudicial content about my religion or people.
You're so unintelligent, immature, unjust and fanatical.

Grow up, Papa.

If you're so touchy about Judaism and Jews and Israel, then is posting unfavorable comments about other religions and communities fine with you?

If you're so sensitive about criticism, why bother coming online?

When have you rushed to defend other faiths and non-Jewish people?

Please remember that I'm a free thinker, on a very high plane of intellect and poise and hold no brief for any religion, cult, community, scripture, nation or prophet.

I am not here to pamper anyone's ego or suck up to his parochial beliefs.

I am here to expose the rot, superstition and evil in every religion, nation, tribe, prophet, scripture, philosophy and science.

I find you adorable in many ways.

Lots of Love and best regards,

Joel (your son)
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#50542 Apr 7, 2013
Consciousness is the only reality!
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#50543 Apr 7, 2013
MiddleWay wrote:
<quoted text>
One God?
By which name? Jehovah? Elohim? YHVH?
Perhaps you missed the prophets speaking of a Messiah?
I am a KARAITE who believes Jeshua is the Messiah.
If you believe Jesus is the messiah, you worship a dead god and an idol. You obviously don't have a good understanding of the Hebrew scriptures and have ignored the prophets. Name one prophecy that Jesus fulfilled, just one?
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#50544 Apr 7, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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You didnt answer my question
God will not allow us to go extinct. There is a saying in the NT which probably comes from the old, "...except those days be shortened there should no flesh be saved alive" This occurred almost 30 years ago when God the Messiah ended the cold war. This was accomplished by 2 speeches, the first fulfilled Zech. 6:1-8 "...these that go toward the north country have quieted my spirit in the north country" If you're old enough to remember, the USSR had just shot down the Korean civilian airliner 007 and the whole world was down on them. We were right on the verge of all out global, nuclear warfare, Reagan took the credit for this but it was because of him that we were so close to complete annihilation.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#50545 Apr 7, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text> God will not allow us to go extinct. There is a saying in the NT which probably comes from the old, "...except those days be shortened there should no flesh be saved alive" This occurred almost 30 years ago when God the Messiah ended the cold war. This was accomplished by 2 speeches, the first fulfilled Zech. 6:1-8 "...these that go toward the north country have quieted my spirit in the north country" If you're old enough to remember, the USSR had just shot down the Korean civilian airliner 007 and the whole world was down on them. We were right on the verge of all out global, nuclear warfare, Reagan took the credit for this but it was because of him that we were so close to complete annihilation.
If GOd will not allow us to go extinct, why is letting us go extinct?
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#50546 Apr 7, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
If GOd will not allow us to go extinct, why is letting us go extinct?
"The wicked is reserved to the day of destruction, they shall be brought forth to the day of wrath. It's all part of the plan. The Lord is a God of second chances and will plead with all flesh. It aint over til it's over and that's when we die and we'll be judged. It may very well be that there will be no more humans, just angels but I don't think so, the angels will also inhabit the earth

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#50547 Apr 7, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>"The wicked is reserved to the day of destruction, they shall be brought forth to the day of wrath. It's all part of the plan. The Lord is a God of second chances and will plead with all flesh. It aint over til it's over and that's when we die and we'll be judged. It may very well be that there will be no more humans, just angels but I don't think so, the angels will also inhabit the earth
Would you please stop the bible babbling for a minute and address the question?
Voluntarist

United States

#50548 Apr 7, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
I believe you might be alluding to "thou shalt not MURDER" or as it is said in the native text
"Lo t'ratzach"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thou_shalt_not_k...
You shall not murder sometimes translated as You shall not kill, KJV Thou shalt not kill (LXX &#959;&#8016; &#966;&#959;&#957; &#949;&#973;&#963; &#949;&#953;&#962; , translating Hebrew &#1500;&#1465;&#14 88; &#1514;&#1460;&#14 68;&#1512;&#1456;& #1510;&#1464;&#1495; lo tir&#7779;a&#7717;), is a moral imperative included as one of the Ten Commandments in the Torah,[1] specifically Exodus 20:13 and Deuteronomy 5:17.
The imperative is against unlawful killing resulting in bloodguilt. The Hebrew Bible contains numerous prohibitions against unlawful killing, but also allows for justified killing in the context of warfare, capital punishment, and self-defense.
So a drone killing of an innocent child is justified under the auspices of war?
Voluntarist

United States

#50549 Apr 7, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
http://www.truthortradition.co m/modules.php?file=article &name=News&sid=225
Ratsach, like many other words, has a wide range of meaning, and thus its meaning in a particular verse must be determined from both the immediate and remoter contexts. Thankfully, the Bible has a lot to say about murder, manslaughter, the execution of criminals and killing in war, and it is easy to tell by studying all the verses on the subject that the Sixth Commandment means not to take a life unjustly. Bible commentators are not confused by the commandment,“You shall not kill.” Maxie Dunnam wrote about the Sixth Commandment in the Mastering the Old Testament commentary on Exodus:
According to Genesis 9:6, this commandment did not prohibit the death penalty. It is obvious in the Old Testament that this [Sixth Commandment] was not a prohibition against all killing, only unauthorized killing.[1]
Because the Bible has clear teaching on murder and manslaughter, and because saying,“You shall not kill,” confuses people about killing in self-defense, in war and the execution of criminals, most modern versions properly translate ratsach in the Sixth Commandment as “murder.” For example:
New King James Version: You shall not murder.
Revised English Bible: Do not commit murder.
New International Version: You shall not murder.
New American Standard Bible: You shall not murder.
New Revised Standard Version: You shall not murder.
Amplified Bible: You shall not commit murder.
New English Bible: You shall not commit murder.
Tanakh (Jewish Publication Society): You shall not murder.
The above versions of the Bible were produced by teams of scholars with differing theological backgrounds, including Protestant, Anglican, Roman Catholic, Orthodox, and Jewish scholars. It should be clear from the evidence that the Sixth Commandment is not about the death penalty, but about unjust killing, that is, murder.
"unauthorized killing" implies that killing could be authorized, by who?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#50550 Apr 7, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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So a drone killing of an innocent child is justified under the auspices of war?
Please be more specific. Is there an incident in mind?
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#50551 Apr 7, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Would you please stop the bible babbling for a minute and address the question?
People will never go extinct, all those in heaven will live forever. That is the purpose of life, to live. God created mankind because she was lonely and she wants everybody to live beyond this short earthly life in heaven forever. Angels are immortal.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#50552 Apr 7, 2013
JOEL wrote:
Consciousness is the only reality!
I've had many dreams where I know I'm dreaming and I'll say to someone in the dream, "This is a dream" or "I'm dreaming". That is the ultimate consciousness, knowing that you're unconscious.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#50553 Apr 7, 2013
MiddleWay wrote:
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False.
Christianity has thrown Judaism out. Jesus taught we must observe the Torah, not the paganized pretend christian 'holydays'.
My DNA still says JEW...
"Jew" is both an ethnicity and a religion. A Jew cannot change his genes but can change his religion. Jewish and Christian are terms that are mutually exclusive, you can't be both at the same time (belief wise) Christianity is idolatry and is expressly forbidden in the torah.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#50554 Apr 7, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text> People will never go extinct, all those in heaven will live forever. That is the purpose of life, to live. God created mankind because she was lonely and she wants everybody to live beyond this short earthly life in heaven forever. Angels are immortal.
Ok - I get it. You are a religious fundamentalist who is a denier of science.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#50555 Apr 7, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Ok - I get it. You are a religious fundamentalist who is a denier of science.
I am by no means a denier if science but I am a fundamentalist. The prophets of the OT had an understanding of science. Dan. 1:4o

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#50556 Apr 7, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>I am by no means a denier if science but I am a fundamentalist. The prophets of the OT had an understanding of science. Dan. 1:4o
But the bible never went into the question of science. It was all allegorical and metaphorical at best when touching upon any scientific theme.

If you are not a denier of science, why cant you pick a position on climate change that involves the application of science?
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#50557 Apr 7, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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But the bible never went into the question of science. It was all allegorical and metaphorical at best when touching upon any scientific theme.
If you are not a denier of science, why cant you pick a position on climate change that involves the application of science?
God is subject to the rules and laws of science but also transcends them. That is the definition of a miracle. The earth needs to be renewed, it's like changing the oil in your car every 3000 miles and recreation has happened before, the flood and ice ages for example.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#50558 Apr 7, 2013
susanblange wrote:
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I've had many dreams where I know I'm dreaming and I'll say to someone in the dream, "This is a dream" or "I'm dreaming". That is the ultimate consciousness, knowing that you're unconscious.
What?

You've understood nothing about the way Consciousness acts in the waking, subliminal, supraphysical, disembodied and subconscient states.

But then I don't blame you for being ignorant about something as fundamental as Consciousness and its workings since the Tanakh and NT fail to explain Consciousness and not surprisingly these infantile scriptures are more comfortable dealing with animal/human sacrifice, wars, genocides, dying on the cross, fanaticism, baby bashing, stoning disobedient sons to death, incest, warnings against the worship of other petty beings and other evils. These are the teachings of backward cults like Judaism and Christianity.

Besides, science, too, hardly knows anything about the true nature and workings of Consciousness and the way its acts in matter and is content to view Consciousness as a derivative of matter when every indicator, inference and proof refutes this naive assumption.

Anyway, carry on.

BTW, most dreams are of the subconscient variety.....

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