Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

[JOEL]

None of the prophets HAS come....

[MUQ]

Frijoles wrote:

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Jews tend not to hung up on prophesying - thats a Christian trait
It seems to me that the article conflicted with your ideology, therefore you are making excuses
Jews don't "select" Israel, its our origin - the same way your origin is in India. I dont know why you cant grasp that - the author sure did.

There is no restriction on your "views".

Jews did select Isreal, because they had no presence there and then they were gathered from all four corners of the world and settled there.

If my forefathers left India and settled in some other country, I do not get a "right" to claim my inheritance in India after say 2000 years.

What type of logic is this?

And why only Jews?

[JOEL]

Only those of Middle Eastern ancestry, irrespective of the religion they follow, can be considered the original inhabitants of the Palestine region.

[Frijoles]

MUQ wrote:

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There is no restriction on your "views".
Jews did select Isreal, because they had no presence there and then they were gathered from all four corners of the world and settled there.
If my forefathers left India and settled in some other country, I do not get a "right" to claim my inheritance in India after say 2000 years.
What type of logic is this?
And why only Jews?

Straw argument - I never said only Jews.

And Jews have lived in Israel continuously. GO back and study your history. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Jews

And learn what mizrahi means.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizrahi_Jews

[Frijoles]

JOEL wrote:

Only those of Middle Eastern ancestry, irrespective of the religion they follow, can be considered the original inhabitants of the Palestine region.

Interestingly enough, many moslems in Israel (the ones that descent from the lineages that were there BEFORE the Ottomans) are descendants of Palestinian Jews. There have been genetic studies that support this.

There is room in the region for all groups, as long as they play well with each other. The problem is, is that more often than not, they don't. Political Islam and some of the extreme Jewish movements dont make this any easier.

MUQ claims he is not part of the political Islam movement - he doesnt believe in religious mandated geography - but if you look at his argument for more than a moment it is obvious he does buy into it.

[Frijoles]

JOEL wrote:

None of the prophets HAS come....

except Joel

[JOEL]

Frijoles wrote:

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Interestingly enough, many moslems in Israel (the ones that descent from the lineages that were there BEFORE the Ottomans) are descendants of Palestinian Jews. There have been genetic studies that support this.

The Hebrews were foreigners in the Middle East and when they arrived in the region about 3 millennia ago there was a lot of borrowing done by the Hebrews from the older native cultures in terms of theology, occult practices, beliefs, rituals and the like and I guess quite a bit of inter-marrying, too, must have taken place.

So, many Hebrews and Muslims can trace their ancestry to the older Middle Eastern cultures.

[JOEL]

Frijoles wrote:

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Political Islam and some of the extreme Jewish movements dont make this any easier.

True. This is because both the Jews and the Muslims have parochial mindsets given their sectarian or cultish beliefs and besides Israel and the Islamic nations in the region are theocracies and this makes friction between the two camps inevitable.

[JOEL]

Frijoles wrote:

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except Joel

I know much more about the reality than most of the prophets like Jesus, Moses, Abraham, Rama, Muhammad and the like.

Only the deeper experiences of the reality remain to be undertaken in my case.

[Frijoles]

JOEL wrote:

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The Hebrews were foreigners in the Middle East and when they arrived in the region about 3 millennia ago there was a lot of borrowing done by the Hebrews from the older native cultures in terms of theology, occult practices, beliefs, rituals and the like and I guess quite a bit of inter-marrying, too, must have taken place.
So, many Hebrews and Muslims can trace their ancestry to the older Middle Eastern cultures.

yeah but those older cultures are extinct, but us Hebrews are not.

This is not of your concern anyway, you are not one of us.

[Frijoles]

JOEL wrote:

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As for you, you are European by ancestry with your ancestors having converted from paganism or whatever to Judaism a few centuries ago.

You are making assumptions about my ancestry. And we all know what happens to people who make assumptions.

[Fuggus]

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[JOEL]

Frijoles wrote:

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yeah but those older cultures are extinct, but us Hebrews are not.

The Jewish cult is tottering and is on its last legs.

Anyway which sane and civilized person would want a cult based on demon worship, whose contribution to the march of civilization is zero, in existence except evil people?

Right?

[JOEL]

Frijoles wrote:

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This is not of your concern anyway, you are not one of us.

Not anymore and in the past too it was more token than anything else. As soon as I discovered its demonic roots, I threw away the vestiges of tokenism as well.

I am not part of any cult or faith as I leave such perverse affiliations to retards and to those with a tribal mindset.

I am too intelligent and have too many inner experiences that far exceed the narrow and perverse scope of evil scriptures like Tanakh or NT to be part of any tribal cult or formal religion.

I consider myself a secular cosmic citizen and lay full emphasis on being and becoming leading to self-realization.

[JOEL]

Frijoles wrote:

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You are not one of us.

You're not a native Hebrew in the Biblical sense.

As I said earlier, you are of European stock whose forefathers converted some centuries ago from paganism or whatever to demonism (Judaism).

[JOEL]

Frijoles wrote:

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And we all know what happens to people who make assumptions.

Grow up.

You hardly have any intelligence to comment on any subject of substance.

Make the best use of the little intelligence that you have.

This post ends the exchange on this topic.

[MUQ]

Frijoles wrote:

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Straw argument - I never said only Jews.
And Jews have lived in Israel continuously. GO back and study your history. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Jews
And learn what mizrahi means.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizrahi_Jews

Living does not mean "controlling land"....some people of every faith are living in every country, that does not mean people start dividing lands for them.

The world powers made "exception" for Jews and only Jews. In no other case they gathered people of a faith from all over the world and created a "nation" for them.

It was a bad site selection and the world would continue to face the repercussion for it for all times.

Most act of terrorism in the world are related one way or other to that poor site selection.

The cost itself has gone into multi trillions of Dollars and how much more it would consume before world powers realize that they were taken for a sucker, only time will tell.

[JOEL]

QUESTIONS:

1) Why is burial a better method of disposing off a corpse than cremation? Give the details.

2) Do you think evolutionary forces will throw up the new species through man by an act of emergence of the involved ranges of consciousness and energy?



3) Why is a death an inevitability on the plane of matter till now?

4) Is it possible to time travel? How?

5) What do you mean by existence and non-existence?

6) Is reincarnation possible given the cyclical nature of everything that we see around us?

7) Is there anything like nothing? If so, define nothing.

8) Is color therapy effective and does it have a scientific basis?

9) What is ego? Can it be erased?

10) Is time a continuum? What is time?

[JOEL]

QUESTION:

Let us explore in a logical manner the events that follow death:

What could happen in the disembodied state to the consciousness and energy of the dead person?

[JOEL]

QUESTIONS:

What are the basal constituents of the universe in all its dimensions?