Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

[JOEL]

SEXUAL ORIENTATION:

1) The genes responsible for sexual orientation have three aspects:

a) Male-female attraction

b) Male-Male attraction

c) Female-female attraction

2) All the above three aspects of sexual attraction inhere as natural traits in the genes with not of them being unnatural.

3) Gay proclivities are not mutations of heterosexual tendencies and this contention is supported by the fact that homosexuality is practiced by most species in varying degrees.

4) What is harmful is not gay instincts but anal sex between man-man or between man-woman.

5) Anal sex unbalances the currents in the nerves in the spine leading to the brain where they may create a short-circuit that could lead to haphazard synaptic connections being forged.

6) The fact that anal sex unbalances the brain wiring indicates that homosexual tendencies by themselves are not unnatural but that anal sex between men or between man and woman is equally damaging to the person who is the receiver of the penis.

7) Heterosexuality and homosexuality are simply so many forms of the genes responsible for sexual orientation.

7) Bisexuality is the bridge between heterosexuality and homosexuality and can be viewed as a hybrid aspect of the two dominant forms of sexual orientation.

8) Sexual orientation is determined by the degree of evolution of the field of consciousness-energy in the individual which in turn determines which aspect of sexual attraction gets switched ON.

8) The prophets were ignorant about the root cause and basal mechanism of sexual orientation and on seeing that gay sex failed to result in procreation they denounced the act.

9) The advent of cloning and invitro techniques that these so-called prophets could not envisage or knew nothing about have rendered sexual reproduction obsolete.

[rabbee yehoshooah adam]

MAAT wrote:

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You mean the claim of in this case being arabs, where they were actually from Syria or from the famous now Iraqi composer of the book Uthman.
But for the longest time Damascus and Bagdad where the centers of the religion.

rabbee: well i do not tell people, precisely where G-D and i have actually met. because G-D and i have agreed, that We do not desire people worshiping a place where were not meeting anymore. and i also have a place in my heart for G-D, but We agreed i shall not worship that either. so therefore i shall not worship, a guilded or non-guilded rock in mecca, or mecca also. because G-D is not, presently there either. if i the alleged as jesus christ, shall not worship myself. i ain't about to worship any or you, or anyother muhammed. any more than i worship the religious center of the antichrist in the washington dc san hedreen. cause they are still making all the religious mistakes, the jews made 2000 years ago. when it is even wrong, to worship yourself for being black or white. when the black race, is about as gratefull to TheG-D, WHO commanded then into and out of slavery as the multitudes that left egypt were. when the same arrogance, before being enslaved has returned. but any nation that shall repent first G-D shall declare TheHis Nation with adam. for i have been returned by G-D, once again in TheTorah to WHOM i am gratefull for my eternal life, and physically again here in TheTorah. and i am not gratefull to any of you, or your grandmother who have all tried to ruin that again.

[rabbee yehoshooah adam]

you can all denounce, that i am G-D'S Son adam here in TheTorah again. but that still shall not prevent G-D, from making me and the designated woman your G-D for the last day. just exactly like the last time, this whole world rejected the offer of GanEden from G-D.

you can all fight against, my FATHER/MOTHER IN HEAVEN. and you can continue to never admit, you have all already lost again. but you cannot stop G-D, from making it all happen now and again.

so you can delude yourselves all you want with the mental magic of the beast. but it does not mean, your not physically here in TheTorah Happening all over again. this whole world taking to the side of mr lizard lips shall not guarentee to any of you eternal life. because it has it's, third or fouth time limits. but that shall only, deplete yourselves against G-D.

every religion on earth today, is and has been bowing to the subtle beast. and chances are, tomorrow you will all be still bowing to mr lizard lips. because G-D, said he is seductivly sneakier than any of you could imagine. and he is not even, in the limelight. but his hissing at G-D, is heard from all of you.

[rabbee yehoshooah adam]

all your denying, the same old devils exist again. only gives aid and comfort, to their leader against G-D. and i can see this happening, in every nation on earth. even all your pretending to believe in G-D not here in TheTorah, is helpless against the beast. with your whole world of evidence of athiesm, from the 1st to the third kind only. because you do not answer the roll call of G-D, here in TheTorah thrice again. face the facts - the same old devil has outsmarted eveyone on earth again. and you have all been whitewasing, his own fence for him again.

[STEFANO COLONNA]

JOEL wrote:

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We both want it this way for now. We're very compatible with each other. If the spontaneous yoga experiences cease then we can think of making the relationship physical. Let's see how things work out. Both of us want peace and happiness - rarities in our lives especially mine.

But she knows to have a love relationship with you?

[saviorself]

MUQ wrote:

4. When prophet called all clans of Makkah near hillocks of SAFA and told them about message of Islam, this ABU LAHAB spoke before every one “Woe be to you! Is that why you called us and wasted our time”. There upon was revealed chapter 111 of Quran, which was named after him and it goes like this:
“Perish the hands of ABU LAHAB! Perish he! No profit to him from all his wealth, and all his gains”
“Burnt soon will be in a fire of blazing flame! His wife shall carry the (crackling) wood as Fuel”
“A twisted rope of palm tree fiber round her (own) neck (111:1-5)
This chapter shall be recited thru out the world till the last day by millions of Muslim to confirm his loss.
5. Whenever prophet used to visit any assembly or tent of people from outside Makkah, during Hajj or other gathering, ABU LAHAB used to follow the prophet and used to announce at his back, this is a mad man do not listen to him. Many people got confused and said “when his own uncle says this, why should we listen to him” Therefore he was instrumental in stopping many people from listening to the message of Islam thru the lips of prophet.
6. When Makkah people boycotted prophet for three years, and whole clan of Abdul MUTTALIB was included in the boycott, this ABU LAHAB remained outside and did not join with his clan .He also opposed the end of boycott.
Such was the enmity and hatred of Prophet and Islam in the heart of this bitterest of all enemies of Islam….that was the situation when prophet had to fled Makkah and took shelter in Madina.
(Contd.)

Muq, you are nothing if not interesting. Hajj. That's hillarious. Your prophet fled. He was smart to do so. Now... How again was it somehow "holy" and "pious" for a grown man to "marry" an 8-year old child?

[MUQ]

saviorself wrote:

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Muq, you are nothing if not interesting. Hajj. That's hillarious. Your prophet fled. He was smart to do so. Now... How again was it somehow "holy" and "pious" for a grown man to "marry" an 8-year old child?

Some one is stuck with "thighing"....some one is stuck with a date of birth card.....some one is stuck with some thing else.

All these people have no answer for the logic and deal nothing with the issue under discussion.

They just want to derail the issue by raising issues which have no connection with the topic under discussion.

This is called devilish way to avoid discussing main topic and start making loops.

If some one wants to discuss the topic of our prophet's marriage with lady Aiyesha, I have no problem with it.

It has "nothing" to do with the age difference, it has nothing to do with being pious or not.

It is if "he violated any law" by this marriage?

[Voluntarist]

[DOI: 10.2174/1874412500902010007]
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later. The properties of these chips were analyzed using
optical microscopy, scanning electron microscopy (SEM), X-
ray energy dispersive spectroscopy (XEDS), and differential
scanning calorimetry (DSC). The red material contains
grains approximately 100 nm across which are largely iron
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structures. Separation of components using methyl ethyl
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clearly observed in the residue following the ignition of these
peculiar red/gray chips. The red portion of these chips is
found to be an unreacted thermitic material and highly
energetic.

http://www.benthamscience.com/open/tocpj/arti...

[Frijoles]

Voluntarist wrote:

[DOI: 10.2174/1874412500902010007]
Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11
World Trade Center Catastrophe

Alligators in Your Backyard
Thanks to climate change, the cold-blooded giants are lurching north.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_scie...

[MUQ]

SC wrote:

01. For the first time Muhammad came to Medina as prophet and yet he was charged to write pacts between the Muslims and Jews?

Isn't more logic to write a pact with the representatives of both of communities? It sounds like the Jews of Medina were fools.

02. Your article tells us only that the Jews broke the pact, but never explain why they did, making therefore pass this article as a mere muslim propaganda.

03. Muhammad has not the authority to expel anyone from their own lands.

04. I also read that your prophet made a peace pact with other Jewish tribes after payment of tribute.

05. By your own propaganda I see your prophet really was a merciless killer and dictator.

Ans.

Our Prophet and Jews of Bani QURAIZAH:

I received only one answer to my first part of the post dealing with this subject, and I would answer it before my next installment.

01. Our Prophet was not "only a prophet" in the sense of Jews. He was charged with "mission to establish the Kingdom of heaven". He was both a Prophet and Ruler, so he acted as Head of Muslims and Jews of Madina as another party to the fact.

Why only the Jews of Medina were folls? I say all Jews were fools for past many centuries!!

If they would have accepted the message of Jesus, they would have been ruling the whole world by now.

And if they would have accepted the message of our prophet, they would have been ruling the whole of Palestine for past 1400 years.

But they "choose" to live in the "narrow pond" of their racism and their elders and that is what they are paying for past 2000 years and for past 60 odd years ruling a "part of Palestine" only with the help and support of their "Christian brothers".

02. Our records show that Jews broke the pact. If you have any evidence of the contrary, bring it forward. Just your "wishing and assumptions" shall not become facts.

03. Our prophet as "Head of Muslim nation" had every authority to punish people who broke the treaty.

"Only" problem with our prophet was that "he was too kind hearted"!! If he was like Joshua or David or even like Moses, he would have got all of them killed or banished at the "first sign of trouble".

04. Our prophet "did make pacts with other jewish tribes living outside Madina provided they paid Tribute" it is true.

But that happened after Jews of Madina were dealt with. It happened in year 6 AH after KHAIBAR was conquered.

Madina became "Jew free" in year 5 AH , All Praise to Allah.

05. If our prophet was a "merciless killer" as you said , he would have done to these Jews what "Moses did to those Midianites" or What Joshua did to Jericho!!

Why do you not look at your own record before laying allegation on others?

[Frijoles]

MUQ wrote:

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If they would have accepted the message of Jesus, they would have been ruling the whole world by now.

And if they would have accepted the message of our prophet, they would have been ruling the whole of Palestine for past 1400 years.

Instead we have been ruling Palestine since 1948. I think, on the whole, we got the better half of the deal. Your people couldnt even retain your own country - India.

[JOEL]

STEFANO COLONNA wrote:

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But she knows to have a love relationship with you?

If by love you mean the usual animal attraction, then the answer is no.

Our relationship is based on mutual respect and on intellectual, cultural and spiritual compatibility and convenience.

Love can follow.

This much is very clear to both of us and we want it to be this way.

At present, the pressure of the yogic force that's acting spontaneously without me making the least effort is strong on me despite quitting the yoga in Dec 2012 and so carnal thoughts and the sexual act itself are out of the question. Even now the pressure of the higher force is quite intense that since this morning I am finding it difficult to keep my eyes open and remain in the waking consciousness. The pressure and heat generated by the dynamic descent of the force is causing my waking consciousness to go within. I am quite in a daze and am swaying and can barely type or sit before the monitor. I am just forcing myself to type and sit. I am indulging in these physical activities since I don't want to enter trance and its concomitant semi-conscious state that can go on for hours or days and this then is invariably followed by a vicious attack from the adverse powers that seek to undo all the spiritual gain. I want to avoid being attacked as I've had enough of this and so this typing and sitting here.

Ok, then.

[JOEL]

Punishing people, imposing one's puerile teachings on others, killing one's opponents and seeking to rule people/nation are signs of a crude and vile megalomaniac. Oh Muhammad, when will you learn, idiot?

[JOEL]

Later.

[Frijoles]

JOEL wrote:

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If by love you mean the usual animal attraction, then the answer is no.

Thats not love, that is lust

JOEL wrote:

<quoted text>Our relationship is based on mutual respect and on intellectual, cultural and spiritual compatibility and convenience.
Love can follow.

That is love (minus the convenience factor)

With convenience and less on the other factors is "friends with benefits"

[STEFANO COLONNA]

MUQ wrote:

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Ans.
Our Prophet and Jews of Bani QURAIZAH:
I received only one answer to my first part of the post dealing with this subject, and I would answer it before my next installment.
01. Our Prophet was not "only a prophet" in the sense of Jews. He was charged with "mission to establish the Kingdom of heaven". He was both a Prophet and Ruler, so he acted as Head of Muslims and Jews of Madina as another party to the fact.
Why only the Jews of Medina were folls? I say all Jews were fools for past many centuries!!
If they would have accepted the message of Jesus, they would have been ruling the whole world by now.
And if they would have accepted the message of our prophet, they would have been ruling the whole of Palestine for past 1400 years.
But they "choose" to live in the "narrow pond" of their racism and their elders and that is what they are paying for past 2000 years and for past 60 odd years ruling a "part of Palestine" only with the help and support of their "Christian brothers".
02. Our records show that Jews broke the pact. If you have any evidence of the contrary, bring it forward. Just your "wishing and assumptions" shall not become facts.
03. Our prophet as "Head of Muslim nation" had every authority to punish people who broke the treaty.
"Only" problem with our prophet was that "he was too kind hearted"!! If he was like Joshua or David or even like Moses, he would have got all of them killed or banished at the "first sign of trouble".
04. Our prophet "did make pacts with other jewish tribes living outside Madina provided they paid Tribute" it is true.
But that happened after Jews of Madina were dealt with. It happened in year 6 AH after KHAIBAR was conquered.
Madina became "Jew free" in year 5 AH , All Praise to Allah.
05. If our prophet was a "merciless killer" as you said , he would have done to these Jews what "Moses did to those Midianites" or What Joshua did to Jericho!!
Why do you not look at your own record before laying allegation on others?

What a long post you wrote... I can easily answer you but I guess it is totally useless your brain has been brainwashed for well that you are neither aware you've just called a merciless killer with dictatorship tendency as too kind hearted.

[STEFANO COLONNA]

JOEL wrote:

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If by love you mean the usual animal attraction, then the answer is no.
Our relationship is based on mutual respect and on intellectual, cultural and spiritual compatibility and convenience.
Love can follow.
This much is very clear to both of us and we want it to be this way.
At present, the pressure of the yogic force that's acting spontaneously without me making the least effort is strong on me despite quitting the yoga in Dec 2012 and so carnal thoughts and the sexual act itself are out of the question. Even now the pressure of the higher force is quite intense that since this morning I am finding it difficult to keep my eyes open and remain in the waking consciousness. The pressure and heat generated by the dynamic descent of the force is causing my waking consciousness to go within. I am quite in a daze and am swaying and can barely type or sit before the monitor. I am just forcing myself to type and sit. I am indulging in these physical activities since I don't want to enter trance and its concomitant semi-conscious state that can go on for hours or days and this then is invariably followed by a vicious attack from the adverse powers that seek to undo all the spiritual gain. I want to avoid being attacked as I've had enough of this and so this typing and sitting here.
Ok, then.

When I said love I did not mean sex.

So is this couple supposed to be without progeny for long time, I understand?

[JOEL]

Frijoles wrote:

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Thats not love, that is lust

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Animal attraction includes an unregenerate form of love and lust.

Love is a condition of the awakened psychic or some still higher aspect of consciousness that's free from dimunition and free from the taint of raw emotions and gross psychological instincts. This kind of love is rare to find among the ordinary human types that throng the world.

[JOEL]

Frijoles wrote:

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That is love (minus the convenience factor)

With convenience and less on the other factors is "friends with benefits"

We're trying to stabilize our lives in many ways by living together since we're so very compatible in most ways. Let's see how it goes.

[JOEL]

STEFANO COLONNA wrote:

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So is this couple supposed to be without progeny for long time, I understand?

No progeny as it will not be a physical relationship to begin with on account of the spontaneous yoga taking place in my being despite quitting the integral yoga a few months ago.

If at all the relationship turns physical at a later stage if and only if the yogic experiences withdraw by themselves then too we most likely will not have kids (for a few reasons)...

My live-in relationship with Rachel is to stabilize the physical, emotional and psychological instrumental parts of being and in view of the spontaneous yogic experiences that're continuing till now it would constitute a means to serve as an experiment in compatibility in which the purush (the cosmic consciousness-force principle) channeled through the male (Joel) plays the role of the stato-dynamic witness that in an unattached manner acts in and through the shakti (the cosmic consciousness-force) represented by buju Rachel via her modes of consciousness and energy in action. We want to see how much this kind of a relationship can achieve in terms of attaining to a cohesive purush-shakti state of consciousness and what're its results on being and surroundings. Till now it was a solo effort with disastrous effects in the form of the most vicious force assaults imaginable that forced me to quit the integral yoga.

The kind of relationship I just described above is a most difficult aim to achieve in spontaneous mode without putting in any effort on our parts but by just being conscious of all the movements and processes going on in being and in environment and by simply becoming pliant instruments of the Higher Force that's spontaneously acting in and through me at all times with varying degrees of intensity and without provoking the adverse vital powers by simply staying passive while the Higher Force acts (in and through me) and extends to connect with her being and with our surroundings.

Instead of degrading carnal relationships based on lust or those based on mere crass materiliasm and a denial of anything subtle that exceeds the gross physical, we're, in view of the direct proof of the higher states of existence over the years, giving this well-thought out male-female alliance a serious try like the great rishis (seers) of the past, who, on many occasions, entered into such refined relationships to rise to still greater yogic heights (in modern times, this kind of exalted male-female relationship was personified in the lives of Ramakrishna and Sharda and Aurobindo and his Jewish spiritual colloborator, the Mother).

Relationhsips based on possessiveness, lust, selfishness, self-denial, hedonism, insensitivity and other negatives are not for us.

Let us see how far it goes and what're the results.