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““You must not lose faith ”

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Feb 17, 2013
 
Frijoles wrote:
my bad
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STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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And so their existence cannot be proven, making them book's characters along with Muhammad and the Nazarene.
That would be stretching the argument too far.
Reasoning like that you could also state that Ramses never existed but was an eleborate fairytale worked in the medium of that time.
Most of Egyptian archeology are figments of the imagination of Manetho and Albright. Huge gaps and many wrong translations. Hebrew history used to also just beholden to Albrights authority.
And just going by Pro Nomen is not a good way to do research.
The field of what is/was not thoroughly researched is huge.
That which is not dated even larger. And a lot simply gathering dust...musea not aware they had it.

And then you get translating and comparing. Which can take years apart from restauring.

Usually you find some actual king being the fore-runner of the god-name or it coinciding. Like the temple of El build by him and his wife, does not mean a god did so.
It's just different cultural concepts.(though most queeens and kings now still rule with godly authority) Kinging and godly authority two peas in a pod. Before that all 'royal' authority came from the earth mother. And before that presumably from a totem-spirit. Or ancestral spirit.

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Egyptian Ra god etc. the divine authority by which kings rule. Re has a different meaning.
Ra in most 1500 bc languages give/a form of be/rock figures largely. Also YHWH had a birthstone/rock. As did Baal.
Near the sixth cataract you would find a cave huge as a cathedral where kings were crowned. Outside of it stands the rock of Ra, cobra shaped, like a huge signpost.
The meme is still present in Soedans history, though Egypt just about forgot.
It frankly should be named Ra of Re since Ra got that meaning of sungod-Re.
Rocks of special shapes or giving a special sound would be places where cermonies took place. That is attested allover the world.

This would be such a (rare)case were the place coincides with the concept. Where we do not end up with a person of god, or a later god-person but actually the very rock.

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Given that Seti was an amateur archeologist that wanted to give the country a bit of provenance.
So he was realy busy building and restoring, creating king lists writing history on top of pilars a.s.o.
And some acts like going everywhere in the then known world were attributed to Ramses but turned out to be perpetrated by another bloke send out by order.(of Seti?)
So stating that Ramses coud have been an elaborate fairy tale just as the kinglist maybe, is not so strange.

Therefore you need stringent criteria, and that would not be the bible or the church or sites that refute these sources.

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Garbage in-garbage out, is what you want to avoid.
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What is more important than the historicity of the personality is the teachings and in this regard it can be unequivocally said that the teachings of the Semitic prophets are neither original nor profound.
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HOW SYMBOLIC IS SYMBOLIC LANGUAGE?

1) Non-mystics usually think that mystics employ symbolic language to convey abstruse truths but often it so happens that the thing "seen" on a supraphysical plane via the trance state exactly exists or corresponds to the symbol portrayed.

2) Half-human-half-beasts, multi-armed deities, stairs leading to a light, ripples of light, circles, squares, triangles, conch shells, swastika, dot, coiled serpents and the like are all seen on the vital and lower mind planes during trance and each of these has a unique meaning that defines the degree of consciousness-energy expressed.

3) At times, the mystic understands his vision, while, at other times, he simply sees and experiences the thing but fails to comprehend its essence.

4) Explaining the experience or vision occurs later and is always a dimunition considering the inadequacy of the spoken word.
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GOD IS MANY, NOT ONE:

1) By God or G-d is always meant an archetypal being of a specific sub-plane or plane as the case may be.

2) There are thousands of planes and tens of thousands of competing beings.

3) The beings of the lower planes are the vicious, partially knowledgeable, egoistic, megalomaniacal and jealous ones who style themselves G-d or God, forbid their followers from worshipping their rival beings, at times demand blood sacrifices to further puff up their pride and to feed on the released vital energies of the slain beast or human and wish to be worshipped by human beings failing which they issue stern warnings of bringing misery into the life of the infidels, apostates and heretics.

4) The prophets are either incarnations of these minor beings or are men possessed by them.

5) God is thus many and not one.

6) The ultimate reality is a unified field of consciousness-energy.
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#49358
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Not dimunition...it should read as diminution.
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former res wrote:
Happy Valentine's Day, Huggybear!
Do you have anyone special to share the day with?
Hope he's a nice fella.
Happy belated V's day.

Your hope is certainly consistent with your personal situation but it is at odds with mine. For me it is a LADY and not a fella.
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Frijoles wrote:
my bad
I'll take your refusal as acceptance of my stance that the state does not exist.
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former res wrote:
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But what about Homer Simpson??
Can a cartoon character possibly be wrong?!
What would Huggy say?
1. Cartoon characters can never be wrong.

2. Their creators and scriptwriters can be and are wrong at times.

3. Those are my thoughts

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I'll take your refusal as acceptance of my stance that the state does not exist.
Flying pink elephants wearing tutus sometimes dont exist either.
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ADDENDUM ON LIVING SYMBOLS:

Swastika, circle, ripple of light/water, dot, ascending flight of steps, square, triangle, coiled up serpent and the like are force formations found on the vital and lower mind planes with each having a specific meaning and power of realization determined by the expressed degree of consciousness-energy.

The mathematicians and poets intuitively discover these forms in intense states of concentration with the partial meaning revealed to them, while the mystics experience the same by merging in the formations to know their thatness.

So, what do each of the above living symbols mean?
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#49364
Feb 17, 2013
 
More excerpts from the writings of Fritjof Capra later. He and his team of experts drawn from different disciplines are only partially correct.
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Which Sword the Prophet Used against his enemies: Part-63

Our prophet was not only a preacher. He was also an able administrator and a just ruler.

Those who have experience of administration know when to act tough and when to act with leniency. A King, Ruler and President knows which criminal to pardon and which to get executed. Those who do not have this experience may only speak in idealistic terms. Such idealistic persons are never able to administer any country or state with efficiency.

Beside so many Swords which we have mentioned earlier on this thread. He also had a sword of steel. When no other sword worked and the only solution was to wield the sword of steel, he used that also.

Any one who has read his biography knows that how reluctantly he had to use it. We present below, some of these cases, where prophet had to use the sword of steel.

The case of : MUSAILAMAH AL KADDAB(THE BIG LIAR) FROM TRIBE OF BANI HANIFA

When prophet declared his mission, no one in Arabia knew about Prophet hood, revelation and guidance coming from heavens etc. These things were new to people living in Arabia, that is why his message looked and sounded so strange to people of Makkah in particular and Arabia in general.

But due to his perseverance and his constancy and his efforts, every one in Arabia came to know about these things and after the conquest of Makkah, his message reached to every part of Arabia.

His success put ideas into minds of people who wanted to duplicate his mission and therefore many false prophet stood up, during the last few years of his life. These false prophets caused a wave of apostasy in whole of Arabia when the prophet breathed his last.

His companions and especially Abu Bakr the First Caliph of Islam had to spend his utmost effort and strength of character to silence these false prophets and apostates of Arabia.

First and foremost of these false prophets was MUSAILAMAH nicknamed Al KADDAB (the Big liar) by prophet himself.

MUSAILAMAH belonged to the tribe of BANI HANIFA that lived in Najd areas of Arabia. His tribe were known for their strength and their fighting skills and ferocity. When the delegation of BANU HANIFA came to Madina in 9AH, MUSAILAMAH also was one of the members.

They spoke to prophet about Islam and MUSAILAMAH told prophet that if he would nominate him his successor, he would become Muslim.

Prophet was having a stick in his hand and he said He would not even give him this stick as a condition to becoming Islam. The mission returned empty handed.

MUSAILAMAH wrote a letter to prophet after reaching his home saying Allah has made me a prophet as He made you a prophet. He has divided the land of Arabia between us. But QURAISH (tribe of prophet) are a treacherous people.

The prophet replied as follows:

From Mohammad the Prophet of Allah to MUSAILAMAH AL KADDAB

Peace be on to who accepted guidance. Afterwards The earth belongs to Allah and He bestows it to whom He Wishes

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MUSAILAMAH After death of prophet:

When prophet died, MUSAILAMAH declared his mission with force and most people of his and surrounding tribes accepted his mission, and turned back from Islam.

Abu Bakr the first Caliph of Islam sent Muslim armies to all parts of Arabia to suppress those false prophets and people who had become apostate.

He dispatched IKRIMAH towards BANI HANIFA, but he failed in his mission as the enemy was too strong. Abu Bakr sent some enforcement but they also could not defeat him. Finally Abu Bakr sent KHALID BIN WALEED to MUSAILAMAH asking him to finish his menace.

Muslims under KHALID had to fight a tough battle MUSAILAMAH and his tribe. The battle was harshest which Muslims had to face so far. More than 700 Companions of prophet lost their lives in this battle that included more than 70 Muslims who had memorized the Quran in full.

MUSAILAMAH himself was slain by WAHSHI, the same Abyssinian slave, who had killed HAMZA the uncle of prophet in the battle of OHUD, thus compensating somewhat for that dastardly act.

Such was the case of MUSAILAMAH the False prophet, do did do immense damage to Islam and Muslims in his short mission. Nonetheless, his name and deed are to be found only in Islamic History books and there is no one who takes or remembers his name any more.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/122191862
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Prophet Muhammad? LOL.
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Muhammad and his team of jokers (direct disciples)? LOL.
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Allah - the petty, jealous, savage and vindictive archetypal being of the lower planes who blows hot and cold? LOL.

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