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“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#49142 Feb 12, 2013
JOEL wrote:
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Communicate with the divine?
Communicating with what you call the "divine" can only be done via trance when the individual's awakened consciousness merges with the archetypal consciousness of the being that it calls the divine
There is a huge debate among the theoreticians whether a consciousness merge is actually a merge or a cleaving. That is a matter of personal opinion, as far as I am concerned. And probably it was really a merge, noone would be able to return to tell us about it.

There are billions of techniques to alter ones consciousness (i.e. trance). Thats why shamanism and meditation are found cross culturally.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49143 Feb 12, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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There is a One that reveals itself to us within and behind the great diversity of life.
The Ultimate Reality is not One Being as that would make the entire thing too personal.

Absolute or the Ultimate Reality is beyond both personality and impersonality and is a System or a Unified Field that serves as the material as well as efficient source of the Manifestation.

Consciousness and Energy are the only tangibles on any plane of existence whether gross or subtle and so it is logical to conclude that the ultimate reality is a system or a unified field of consciousness-energy in their highest unified poises and that this unified field has, in partial manifestation via an inherent causal mechanism, given rise to the graduated cosmos.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49144 Feb 12, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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But turned around, seen from the perspective of the constantly evolving life-energy, evolution can be seen as an ongoing process of revelation or self-manifestation.
Incorrect.

Life-energy/the Vital is the most inferior range of the manifested unified field of consciousness-energy that just exceeds Matter.

Inferior to Matter is the Inconscient - the domain of the Involution of the manifested totality.

Life-energy exceeds Matter but is inferior to the Mind range of cosmic consciousness-energy.

The Cosmic Mind Plane has several ranges and exceeding the Cosmic Mind Plane are the Supramental ranges of consciousness-energy and exceeding the Supramental are still subtler ranges until one arrives at the peak Cosmic plane and exits the cosmic planes altogether to merge with the Supracosmic ranges and further beyond the Supracosmic ranges is the Supreme Causal Mechanism, beyond the Supreme Causal Mechanism is the manifest aspect of the Unified Field of Consciousness-Energy and beyond the Unified Field of Consciousness-Energy is the unmanifest aspect of the Unified Field of Consciousness-Energy.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49145 Feb 12, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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This ongoing self-disclosure is the result of a deep and mysterious inner drive, the force of Being directed from within, however imperfectly and stumblingly, to manifest itself ever more fully, in ever more diverse, complex, and interesting ways.
Incorrect.

The activation and emergence of a specific range of consciousness-energy from the domain of the Involution that is inferior to the Gross Material range of consciousness-energy acts in this manner - first, there has to occur a push towards emergence of the specific range of consciousness-energy from its involved state and at the same time there has to be a response from the corresponding range of consciousness-energy from its native dimension that stands above the state of involution.

When the descending range of consciousness-energy from above unites with the ascending range of consciousness-energy of the same kind from below then and only then does the particular range of consciousness-energy manifest in the earth matter and gradually expresses its innate nature and becomes an integral part of the earth nature.

Besides, each emergent range of consciousness-energy materializes from within out its own unique form on the earth plane as it emerges in the two-fold as narrated above.

This is the brief description of the two-fold mechanism of devolution-involution-evolutio n.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49146 Feb 12, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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I think of that underlying One in immanent terms, a being or life force that dwells within the universe and all its forms, rather than a Creator from beyond who forms a world that is "other" and separate from its own Self.
Incorrect.

The ultimate reality is neither immanent nor extra-cosmic but it is the Manifestation or the Cosmos itself.

An immanence would mean that the origin is different from the substance and dynamics of the manifestation/cosmos and so it would mean that this origin somehow created the materials and energies from nothing and then infused the creation to guide it from within.

The origin is the source of the materials as well as of the energy - the materials/energies are its own substance - and as such the origin has partially manifested itself and its manifested substance itself forms the graduated cosmos and guides it functionally through an innate causal mechanism.

The origin which is a unified field of consciousness-energy has various poises - immanent, transcendent and absolute - in its unmanifest as well as manifest state.

The origin in manifestation itself becomes the cosmos.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49147 Feb 12, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Why cant you accept that many religions are in fact monotheistic...
Monotheism means the worship of one being among several others who are its rivals.

This is why we read in the monotheistic scriptures serious threats issued by a particular being against worshipping other gods (its rival beings).

"I am a jealous being (G-d)!".

These are the inferior cults of the world that have ensnared in their nets billions of myopic followers with each bunch of deluded followers believing that a particular being that it worships (to the exclusion of all other beings) is the Supreme God or whatever and the being worshipped loves arrogating to itself the grand title of the Supreme Ruler and Supreme Creator of the universe. LOL.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49148 Feb 12, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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they are not exactly monistic...
Monism is far superior to monotheism but it is flawed in its highest reach as explained in a previous post a few days ago.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49149 Feb 12, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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meditation
Meditation on the activated archetypal mantra/vibration is one method of merging in the plane of existence that the mantra personifies either as sound or as mechanism of sound. There are other superior methods of entering the 200 odd trance states....I am not revealing the details now.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49150 Feb 12, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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And probably it was really a merge, no one would be able to return to tell us about it.
Who said that no one would return to tell of the union of the subject with the object in consciousness-energy?

The aim is to cause the plane of consciousness-energy in which the individual's activated consciousness-energy has united to descend and infuse the individual's human equivalents of mind, vital, subtle physical, gross physical and subconscient to bring about radical changes in being.

To make the trance state (of whatever degree) the permanent state of consciousness at all times is the aim.

There are 200 odd trance states.....

And more...
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49151 Feb 12, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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That's why shamanism.....
Shamanism can only take the individual's consciousness as high as the lower vital plane where one encounters all kinds of vital beings usually the adverse ones. The major Asuras are in the higher vital plane though they're in full control of the lower vital as well.

So, shamanism is highly inferior and dangerous.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#49152 Feb 12, 2013
JOEL wrote:
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Monotheism means the worship of one being among several others who are its rivals.
This is why we read in the monotheistic scriptures serious threats issued by a particular being against worshipping other gods (its rival beings).
"I am a jealous being (G-d)!"..
Incorrect

By being literalistic you are missing the lesson
JOEL wrote:
<quoted text>These are the inferior cults of the world that have ensnared in their nets billions of myopic followers with each bunch of deluded followers believing that a particular being that it worships (to the exclusion of all other beings) is the Supreme God or whatever and the being worshipped loves arrogating to itself the grand title of the Supreme Ruler and Supreme Creator of the universe. LOL.
Thats not the error of these cults. The error is that they preach nonbrotherly love to those who have different labels.

By labeling some inferior you have just elevated your own God to above the fray - see the irony? You are the pagan, not them.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#49153 Feb 12, 2013
JOEL wrote:
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Meditation on the activated archetypal mantra/vibration is one method of merging in the plane of existence that the mantra personifies either as sound or as mechanism of sound. There are other superior methods of entering the 200 odd trance states....I am not revealing the details now.
Sheez, you are not as special as you think you are. Google and Amazon.Com will reveal just as many methods as you can.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#49154 Feb 12, 2013
JOEL wrote:
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Shamanism can only take the individual's consciousness as high as the lower vital plane where one encounters all kinds of vital beings usually the adverse ones. The major Asuras are in the higher vital plane though they're in full control of the lower vital as well.
So, shamanism is highly inferior and dangerous.
Speculation and opinion
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49155 Feb 12, 2013
CORRECTION:

The ultimate reality is neither immanent nor extra-cosmic but it is the ORIGIN OF THE Manifestation or the Cosmos itself.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49156 Feb 12, 2013
POST # 49146:

HERE IS THE CORRECTED VERSION:

The ultimate reality is neither immanent nor extra-cosmic but it is the ORIGIN OF THE Manifestation or the Cosmos itself.

An immanence would mean that the origin is different from the substance and dynamics of the manifestation/cosmos and so it would mean that this origin somehow created the materials and energies from nothing and then infused the creation to guide it from within.

The origin is the source of the materials as well as of the energy - the materials/energies are its own substance - and as such the origin has partially manifested itself and its manifested substance itself forms the graduated cosmos and guides it functionally through an innate causal mechanism.

The origin which is a unified field of consciousness-energy has various poises - immanent, transcendent and absolute - in its unmanifest as well as manifest state.

The origin in manifestation itself becomes the cosmos.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#49157 Feb 12, 2013
JOEL wrote:
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Who said that no one would return to tell of the union of the subject with the object in consciousness-energy?
The aim is to cause the plane of consciousness-energy in which the individual's activated consciousness-energy has united to descend and infuse the individual's human equivalents of mind, vital, subtle physical, gross physical and subconscient to bring about radical changes in being.
To make the trance state (of whatever degree) the permanent state of consciousness at all times is the aim.
There are 200 odd trance states.....
And more...
Like I said, it is a matter of semantics to describe different states of consciousness.

Considering you and I have no real way to describe the qualitative states of our own states of consciousness in a meaningful way to share them to each other, why do you think anyone can accurately describe or compare what might happen pre- and post- with a more intensive trance?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#49158 Feb 12, 2013
I am not going to put effort into rebutting your comments on the article I posted - this isnt my intent. Its all a matter of subjective opinion anyhow.

My intent was to post an alternative framework.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49159 Feb 12, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Incorrect

By being literalistic you are missing the lesson
How come?

Monotheism means the worship of just one being among numerous beings.

Don't YHVH, Allah and other inferior beings warn their respective followers of severe punishment if they happen to worship other gods/beings?

This clearly shows that YHVH and Allah with their anthropathetic traits wish to be the dominant being over and above their rivals (other beings).

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#49160 Feb 12, 2013
Which by the way isnt that different than yours - I still think you force your interpretations of other people's ideas too much into the literalistic and personal.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49161 Feb 12, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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you have just elevated your own God
God is a being among several other beings.

Each archetypal being is God.

I don't worship any being/God.

The Ultimate Reality is a system or a unified field of consciousness-energy that in partial manifestation gives rise to the graduated cosmos and to the archetypal beings of the various cosmic planes like YHVH, Allah, Baal, Moloch, Vishnu, Shiva, Lucifer and others.

Laughably, each one of these archetypal beings styles itself as
G-d/God and warns its followers of dire consequences if they worship other beings (their rivals). LOL.

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