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Jan 27, 2013
 
HughBe wrote:
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Eric--It's an anomaly of those who believe that Jesus was the Messiah and a member of the Triune.
HughBe--explain your rambling words.
Eric--Having places of worship that are segregated by socioeconomic standing is UNIQUE to people who have religious beliefs similar to you.
HughBe--- You have not explained the ANOMALY plus the part about Jesus being a member of the triune. Do so NOW.
Having said that, do you really understand your OWN words? NO.
Do you understand my words? NO
And what part of unique don't you understand. Unusual, unexpected, unique. The same. You don't like unique? Use a word of your choice. It still stands that those who have religious beliefs similar to you segregate their places of worship by socioeconomic status. It is unusual and unexpected that "religious" people would do so.
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I work in the physical sciences. But I come from a religious background, and had plenty of schooling in the social sciences and a little in the humanities, and did my stint in the eastern philosophies and new age therapies back when still a lad (Ever notice no one during past life regression discovers that that they used to sweep manure? They are always queens and kings- but I digress).
So I am spread thin, like a dose of sucrose acetate isobutyrate in Gatorade.(you can google that if you are interested or read check out the front page of todays NYtimes).
Nice background. I spent a whole youth working in farms doing a lot of odd stuff like your manure sweeping. Hehehe ... Over time learned a thing here and there and ended up as a pro doing neat stuff.

So, essentially a weighting agent, a stabilizer, a preservative. Brings to mind formaldahyde. The sugar compound that is ...

Joel is definitely a creation of his own. What I'd like to understand is the transformation and path that leads you to where you end up.

For me, initially I didn't believe anything as I was not educated or knowledable at an early age. External influences referred to God. Was sent to Sunday school. Had my own thoughts and lots of questions. Didn't take to the formal training on religion very well. Have spent most years with my own thoughts on what God is and how He works and is there or not. At times I've dabbled into the bible, but I tend to get bored with the stories. Seems to describe a very jelous and needy god. I just don't see it that way. An all powerful God wouldn't need us or care that we worshipped Him. So, I end up where I am today with questions and thoughts that don't necessarily agree with the status quo. I do enjoy asking the questions as I know there are no answers, but am amused by people's responses and at times I see new things.
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Jan 27, 2013
 
Eric wrote:
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And what part of unique don't you understand. Unusual, unexpected, unique. The same. You don't like unique? Use a word of your choice. It still stands that those who have religious beliefs similar to you segregate their places of worship by socioeconomic status. It is unusual and unexpected that "religious" people would do so.
STUDY my post below and stop twisting your little mind. It is not clever what you are doing, it is sheer STUPIDITY.

STUDY what follows. Don't open your mouth and reinforce your stupidity.

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Let me help you in your attempted explanation. I have copied my post and your response to it. Now in explaining YOUR words do so in its CONTEXT plus define anomaly and fit your definition into your sentence. Let me illustrate it for you.

HughBe---I would have gone to churches where the majority are professionals/business people and YES there are those types of churches.

Eric---It's (unusual or unexpected) of those who believe that Jesus was the Messiah and a member of the Triune.

NOTE the replacement of"an anomaly".

Note--My example MEANS, attending TWO churches is UNEXPECTED and UNUSUAL for someone who believes in the Trinity.

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Original words follow, give it a try.
HughBe---I would have gone to churches where the majority are professionals/business people and YES there are those types of churches.

Eric---It's an anomaly of those who believe that Jesus was the Messiah and a member of the Triune.
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Jan 27, 2013
 
Young Eric, let me give you more help in understanding YOUR words.

You were saying that it was unusual or unexpected that someone with my beliefs would attend 2 Churches with a majority of poorly educated members. This is the CONTEXT of your response.

HughBe---I would have gone to churcheS(PLURAL) where the majority are professionals/business.....

Eric---It's (unusual or unexpected) of those who believe that Jesus was the Messiah and a member of the Triune.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

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Jan 27, 2013
 
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They are cuties, arent they?
arf!
rabbee yehoshooah adam

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Frijoles wrote:
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I work in the physical sciences. But I come from a religious background, and had plenty of schooling in the social sciences and a little in the humanities, and did my stint in the eastern philosophies and new age therapies back when still a lad (Ever notice no one during past life regression discovers that that they used to sweep manure? They are always queens and kings- but I digress).
So I am spread thin, like a dose of sucrose acetate isobutyrate in Gatorade.(you can google that if you are interested or read check out the front page of todays NYtimes).
rabbee: well according to monty python, a king is someone who ain't got crap all over himself. and knows usless info, like how may and what type of swallows can carry coconuts. and a king represses those who do, have crap on themselves.
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Panentheism (from Greek &#960;&#8118;&#957 ; (pân) "all"; &#7952;&#957; (en) "in"; and &#952;&#949;&#972; &#962; (theós) "God"; "all-in-God") is a belief system which posits that the divine (be it a monotheistic God, polytheistic gods, or an eternal cosmic animating force), interpenetrates every part of nature and timelessly extends beyond it. Panentheism differentiates itself from pantheism, which holds that the divine is synonymous with the universe.[1]
rabbee: oook, then which religion is it, that if your mother becomes a cow, you can become a lame duck?

because i know that panttheism, is in your own pants.
idgaf

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Jan 27, 2013
 
How is it that at times you are speaking in some crazy language about Adam and your grandmother, then you hop over to monty python followed by plain english hehehhe you are funny rabbeeeeeeeeeee

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For me, initially I didn't believe anything as I was not educated or knowledable at an early age. External influences referred to God. Was sent to Sunday school. Had my own thoughts and lots of questions. Didn't take to the formal training on religion very well. Have spent most years with my own thoughts on what God is and how He works and is there or not. At times I've dabbled into the bible, but I tend to get bored with the stories. Seems to describe a very jelous and needy god. I just don't see it that way. An all powerful God wouldn't need us or care that we worshipped Him. So, I end up where I am today with questions and thoughts that don't necessarily agree with the status quo. I do enjoy asking the questions as I know there are no answers, but am amused by people's responses and at times I see new things.
I grew up in a traditional but conventional Jewish environment. I didnt really develop a sense of spirituality until I experimented with hallucinogens in college. Then after college I got into eastern mysticism, meditation, and western native American spirituality for a while, until I realized that Judaism had similar paradigms and practices. So I drifted back to my roots. The notion of God as the old man in the sky is the notion they taught us back in Hebrew school, and I like many rejected it right off the bat. Then when I was exposed to other paradigms such as nonduality and panentheism (Hasidism) which has an alternative vocabulary, I realized it was possible to be spiritual and still stay within my religion. I was fortunate because Judaism is robust enough to include many types of approaches, had I been born something like evangelical Christian I would of fled my roots entirely. If you want to put a western label on my outlook, I would be considered panentheistic - a Jewish label would be neo-Hasidic.

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For me, initially I didn't believe anything as I was not educated or knowledable at an early age. External influences referred to God. Was sent to Sunday school. Had my own thoughts and lots of questions. Didn't take to the formal training on religion very well. Have spent most years with my own thoughts on what God is and how He works and is there or not. At times I've dabbled into the bible, but I tend to get bored with the stories. Seems to describe a very jelous and needy god. I just don't see it that way. An all powerful God wouldn't need us or care that we worshipped Him. So, I end up where I am today with questions and thoughts that don't necessarily agree with the status quo. I do enjoy asking the questions as I know there are no answers, but am amused by people's responses and at times I see new things.
Here is probably more food for thought than needed

http://zeek.forward.com/articles/116715/

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Nice background. I spent a whole youth working in farms doing a lot of odd stuff like your manure sweeping. Hehehe ... Over time learned a thing here and there and ended up as a pro doing neat stuff.
So, essentially a weighting agent, a stabilizer, a preservative. Brings to mind formaldahyde. The sugar compound that is ...
Joel is definitely a creation of his own. What I'd like to understand is the transformation and path that leads you to where you end up.
For me, initially I didn't believe anything as I was not educated or knowledable at an early age. External influences referred to God. Was sent to Sunday school. Had my own thoughts and lots of questions. Didn't take to the formal training on religion very well. Have spent most years with my own thoughts on what God is and how He works and is there or not. At times I've dabbled into the bible, but I tend to get bored with the stories. Seems to describe a very jelous and needy god. I just don't see it that way. An all powerful God wouldn't need us or care that we worshipped Him. So, I end up where I am today with questions and thoughts that don't necessarily agree with the status quo. I do enjoy asking the questions as I know there are no answers, but am amused by people's responses and at times I see new things.
This is probably even better - though still a mouthful

basically, according to this view Evolution IS God, or Gods way of learning about himself

http://www.tikkun.org/article.php/mar2010gree...
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Jan 27, 2013
 
Nature is what people take for granted and never think who provided all that.

Every one thinks that they have full right to use things present in nature, and do not think from where they come and do not thank who provided them.

In fact nature is the "excuse" most people use when denying God or Creator of this universe.
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Jan 27, 2013
 
ENLIGHTENMENT:

Enlightenment proceeds in stages since the individual's awakened consciousness merges with each plane and its phenomena and root mechanism in succession. However, to get into a particular plane of consciousness-energy one needs the the activated mantra or seed vibration of that plane. So, each plane of the Manifestation is personified by its own mantra or vibrational mechanism.
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I realized that Judaism had similar paradigms and practices.

Then when I was exposed to other paradigms such as nonduality and panentheism (Hasidism) which has an alternative vocabulary, I realized it was possible to be spiritual and still stay within my religion.
Really?

Everyone thinks his religions is great or truly spiritual until these claims are put to the test to find out what the religion actually preaches or what its spiritual practices are all about.

So, try answering these preliminary questions:

1) Explain the process of merging in consciousness and energy with the 2nd plane, 4th plane, 14th plane, 21st plane of the cosmic manifestation.

2) Describe the phenomena perceived on the 4th plane of the cosmic hierarchy.
JOEL

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QUESTION:

What is meant by the term evolution?
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Jan 27, 2013
 
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He is his very own manifestation.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Oh Papa.
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MUQ wrote:
Every one thinks that they have full right to use things present in nature, and do not think from where they come and do not thank who provided them.
Describe creation from nothing giving all the details.
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THE SELF AND NON-DUALISM:

1) "They see the Self in the Self by the Self."

The Gita

2)“Where there is duality, there other sees other, other hears, touches, thinks of, knows other. But when one sees all as the Self, by what shall one know it? It is by the Self that one knows all this that is....All betrays him who sees all elsewhere than in the Self; for all this that is is the Brahman (Supreme Consciousness), all beings and all this that is are this Absolute Self.”

Brihadaranyak Upanishad.

3)“THAT in which all these worlds (planes) seem to exist steadily, THAT of which all these worlds are a possession, THAT from which all these worlds arise, THAT for which all these exist, THAT by which all these worlds come into existence and THAT which is indeed all these – THAT alone is the existing Reality. Let us cherish THAT, the Self, which is the Reality....”

– Sri Ramana Maharshi

4)“I am neither mind, nor intellect, nor chitta;

Neither ears, nor tongue, nor eyes,

Neither sky, nor earth,

Neither light, nor air,

I am Consciousness and Bliss incarnate,

I am neither happy, nor suffering,

Neither virtue, nor vice,

Neither mantras, nor sacred places,

Neither food, nor enjoyment, nor the enjoyer,

I am Consciousness and Bliss incarnate,

I am neither death, nor doubt, nor any kind of distinction,

I have neither father, nor mother, nor birth,

Neither relatives do I have, nor friends,

Neither Guru, nor disciples,

I am Consciousness and Bliss incarnate."

Adi Shankara

QUESTION:

What is the limitation of nondualism?
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QUESTIONS:

1) How does the self differ from the soul?

2) Where are the stations of the self and soul in the individual?

3) What is meant by being?

4) What're the higher planes that exceed being? Why are they not included in being? How can they be be attained to? How can these superior planes of consciousness and energy be made a part of being? What will be the consequences?
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Jan 27, 2013
 
QUESTION:

How is it possible to stand back from the planes of the Manifestation?

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