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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#47767 Jan 24, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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There is no such thing as a "missing link". All beings are in constant transition.
rabbee: apparently you are on another page, and not the funny pages.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#47768 Jan 24, 2013
JOEL wrote:
Jesus represents a new trend in reasoning and inner experience among the Semites that're more in tune with the expositions of Vedanta and Buddhism and so what need for believers in Jesus to continue with the old or archaic laws of Judaism? Christians, don't remain stuck with his teachings, go ahead and put them into practice and above all aim for the mystical experiences leading to a certain intermediate degree of being and becoming that he referred to...
rabbee: oh great, as if i do not have, enough critters. trying to tell me what i am supposed to represent. and they are all, 100% wrong about me too.
idgaf

Bedford, MA

#47769 Jan 24, 2013
I suppose I consider catholics and othe rchristians different. Overall, they are similar, but different in my observations. Both are very much flawed in preparing for that which they can never understand.

So, as stated previously, my choice to believe in what you call God is not a need for existance. I simply like to think there is something of a higher power. Is it like the ants and us and is it an infinite pattern? Hard to tell, I don't understand to that level. Kind of like the following: protons, atoms, cells, grains of sand, planets, suns, galaxies, universe, multi-verses, mega-verse, ulti-verse, etc. Our perview is limited to everything below a partial universe, everything beyond that doesn't exist to many. That we don't know it is there does not mean it does not exist. That we are ignorant to existance of something doesn't make it not exist. My point is that I believe in something that is based on a feeling. You can certainly try to put me in a box, but that box doesn't exist. I don't fall intot he same box as you do. I don't dfall into that box defined by a textbook. I do however refuse to believe the stories that you read. Is it all science? No. If you believe this, explain 1000s of things that science has no answer for. Surely leaving you with the same question.

So, many people nEed tobelieve. Some people choose to believe something. How they believe and what are the keys.

My higher power is based on simple things like: hurricanes, earthquakes, tsunamis, lightning, etx. Those are higher powers or results of higher powers. They may be the results of thing coming to equalibrium, but a much greater power than I or you, regardless of our combined knowledges. Think about all of the things in nature that are more powerful thjan us? Does this bring to mind what the American Indians believed in or others?:)-

Cor:Unless I misunderstood, you seem to acknowledge that god is unknowable.
Idgaf: I stand by this comment and challenge anyone to counter it with other thoughts. I reitierate that God is something that we cannot possibly understand, like the ants don't understand us.

Cor: You also seem to agree that a person can have meaning and purpose in life without god.

Idgaf: I live for me ever single day of my life, so I can tell u that I'm not living for God or Heaven. My actions while I live will speak for my life. My begging forgiveness or praying will only waste precious time.

Cor: So what drives you to believe that a higher power exists?

Idgaf: a feeling ... Dreams ... Choice ...
idgaf

Bedford, MA

#47770 Jan 24, 2013
COR,

You are the god of your creations. Did you make children? Did you design things? Did you come up with theories? Did you build things? Did you think things?

We are not gods of oursleves. No, I'm not a person that feels that athiests are gods of themselves. Honestly, I am perfectly comfortable not claiming to belong to any of those boxes. I like ideas and thoughts from many realms and have no problem accepting and being comfortable with what I choose. I have no need to go to church or to donate things or pray or be nice because I feel God is watching. I choose to be nice, work hard, live life, play hard, and not waste too much time on things I don't care about.
idgaf

Bedford, MA

#47771 Jan 24, 2013
JOEL wrote:
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Typical Buddhistic reasoning. A flawed one. I'll show why considering everything to be in a constant state of change is wrong. Later.
Everything is in a constant state of change looking for equallibrium ... Maybe not constant ...
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#47772 Jan 25, 2013
idgaf wrote:
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Everything is in a constant state of change looking for equallibrium ... Maybe not constant ...
Incorrect.

How do you explain the change?

When does equilibrium come about?
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#47773 Jan 25, 2013
These days I prefer using my good old desk top instead of the i-pad or laptop.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#47774 Jan 25, 2013
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-433...

Star Wars Lego stirs Muslim outrage
former res

Broomall, PA

#47775 Jan 25, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Even if there was, so what? I live by the TOS (golden rules) so I'm not concerned.
TOS?
former res

Broomall, PA

#47776 Jan 25, 2013
Never mind//

Got it.
former res

Broomall, PA

#47777 Jan 25, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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RAmen
Great noodles. And cheap too.
former res

Broomall, PA

#47778 Jan 25, 2013
I'll defend to the death Huggy's right to post babble and/or drivel,

Let his posts stand!!

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#47779 Jan 25, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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RAmen
always hungry afterwords
former res

Broomall, PA

#47780 Jan 25, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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always hungry afterwords
The wife breaks an egg into them toward the end of cooking.

Helps to make it a meal.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#47781 Jan 25, 2013
MUSLIMS & MUHAMMAD:

Watching the news on TV - Muslims in India are going crazy thinking it to be a great day in view of it being Muhammad's birthday today. Views like Muhammad being creation's best, the perfect man and the most knowledgeable and righteous one are being freely aired by gullible and brainwashed educated/uneducated Muslims without the least thought being given to the great limitations of the prophet who set a very bad example in many affairs for his followers. His idea of God, too, is infantile to say the least - he was in contact with a petty control freak (Allah) who has a huge ego and who displays magnified jealousy - and the info he "revealed" via the Quran is something so hilarious in most respects that it brings on a fit of uncontrollable laughter. He was a silly man with ordinary mystical accomplishments and whose ideas about the real world were juvenile to put it mildly. Muhammad came to perpetuate the same old ignorance and I'll go to the extent of saying that his advent has served as a setback to the regeneration of the terrestrial matter and humankind. Shame.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#47782 Jan 25, 2013
Muhammad's advent has served as a setback to the regeneration of the terrestrial matter and humankind.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#47783 Jan 25, 2013
former res wrote:
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Great noodles. And cheap too.
Got me through the college years, particularly the weekends.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#47784 Jan 25, 2013
idgaf wrote:
I suppose I consider catholics and othe rchristians different. Overall, they are similar, but different in my observations. Both are very much flawed in preparing for that which they can never understand.
Base line definition of a Christian is "a person who adheres to Christianity, an Abrahamic, monotheistic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth". Don't know why you would refer to Catholics as anything other than Christian unless you're somehow biased by the Christian sect your mother migrated to. I've seen some Christian sects refer to others as "not true Christians". It's the old "No True Scottsman" logical fallacy.
idgaf wrote:
I simply like to think there is something of a higher power.
Fair enough. Like I said, people's needs and wants are fulfilled differently.
idgaf wrote:
...That we don't know it is there does not mean it does not exist. That we are ignorant to existance of something doesn't make it not exist. My point is that I believe in something that is based on a feeling.
Same argument I was making. But again, the POSSIBILITY of something existing doesn't make it so in reality. "Feeling" that something exists doesn't make it so in reality. So, where do you draw the line? You "like to think" or "have a feeling" that there is a higher power. And there are people that "like to think" or "have a feeling" about various other things existing, such as Santa Clause or the Easter Bunny, etc... I prefer to focus on the provable. There are plenty of mysteries of the universe that are still unknown but discoverable or provable. Enough to keep us busy for years to come. I see no need to waste time making up unprovable mysteries. But again, to each their own.
idgaf wrote:
You can certainly try to put me in a box, but that box doesn't exist. I don't fall intot he same box as you do. I don't dfall into that box defined by a textbook.
Labels can be useful. Your thinking is not completely unique. I've heard your position and arguments many times before from agnostic theists. Rather than run away from the lablel, you should embrace it, understand it, and perhaps reach out to other like-minded individuals to see how they address the same questions you are dealing with.
idgaf wrote:
I do however refuse to believe the stories that you read.
What "stories" would that be?
idgaf wrote:
Is it all science? No. If you believe this, explain 1000s of things that science has no answer for. Surely leaving you with the same question.
Argument from Ignorance / God of the Gaps - a logical fallacy.

Just because we haven't discovered certain answers yet doesn't mean we won't. And even if we never do, so what. What's wrong with saying "I don't know" and leaving it at that, rather than trying to answer a mystery with another mystery.
idgaf wrote:
My higher power is based on simple things like: hurricanes, earthquakes, tsunamis, lightning, etx. Those are higher powers or results of higher powers. They may be the results of thing coming to equalibrium, but a much greater power than I or you, regardless of our combined knowledges. Think about all of the things in nature that are more powerful thjan us?
So your higher power is nature? Sounds like you're drifting into a somewhat panthesitic worldview.

Pantheism is the belief that everything composes an all-encompassing, immanent God,[1] or that the universe (or nature) is identical with divinity.[2] Pantheists thus do not believe in a personal or anthropomorphic god, but believe that interpretations of the term differ.
idgaf wrote:
Cor: So what drives you to believe that a higher power exists?
Idgaf: a feeling ... Dreams ... Choice ...
I appreciate the honest answer.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#47785 Jan 25, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Base line definition of a Christian is "a person who adheres to Christianity, an Abrahamic, monotheistic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth". Don't know why you would refer to Catholics as anything other than Christian unless you're somehow biased by the Christian sect your mother migrated to. I've seen some Christian sects refer to others as "not true Christians". It's the old "No True Scottsman" logical fallacy.
<quoted text>
Fair enough. Like I said, people's needs and wants are fulfilled differently.
<quoted text>
Same argument I was making. But again, the POSSIBILITY of something existing doesn't make it so in reality. "Feeling" that something exists doesn't make it so in reality. So, where do you draw the line? You "like to think" or "have a feeling" that there is a higher power. And there are people that "like to think" or "have a feeling" about various other things existing, such as Santa Clause or the Easter Bunny, etc... I prefer to focus on the provable. There are plenty of mysteries of the universe that are still unknown but discoverable or provable. Enough to keep us busy for years to come. I see no need to waste time making up unprovable mysteries. But again, to each their own.
<quoted text>
Labels can be useful. Your thinking is not completely unique. I've heard your position and arguments many times before from agnostic theists. Rather than run away from the lablel, you should embrace it, understand it, and perhaps reach out to other like-minded individuals to see how they address the same questions you are dealing with.
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What "stories" would that be?
<quoted text>
Argument from Ignorance / God of the Gaps - a logical fallacy.
Just because we haven't discovered certain answers yet doesn't mean we won't. And even if we never do, so what. What's wrong with saying "I don't know" and leaving it at that, rather than trying to answer a mystery with another mystery.
<quoted text>
So your higher power is nature? Sounds like you're drifting into a somewhat panthesitic worldview.
Pantheism is the belief that everything composes an all-encompassing, immanent God,[1] or that the universe (or nature) is identical with divinity.[2] Pantheists thus do not believe in a personal or anthropomorphic god, but believe that interpretations of the term differ.
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I appreciate the honest answer.
rabbee: what does the word, christian mean. which is the greek word christ, with an ian suffix meaning like. so the question is, are they! are they really messiah/annointed like? or are they just delusionly, claiming to be christian?

do they really preach and teach, from out of TheTorah? since Benee Adam, did not have any new testament to preach and teach from. wasn't He just informing them then, your train is derailed again? and you need to get back, on TheTorah Track.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#47786 Jan 25, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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So your higher power is nature? Sounds like you're drifting into a somewhat panthesitic worldview.
Pantheism is the belief that everything composes an all-encompassing, immanent God,[1] or that the universe (or nature) is identical with divinity.[2] Pantheists thus do not believe in a personal or anthropomorphic god, but believe that interpretations of the term differ.
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Worship of natural phenomena as individual phenomena is paganism (though there are some that confuse it with pantheism). Worship of the organic whole as a whole is pantheism, or sometimes panentheism, depending on how important you see the whole from the whole.

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