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“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#47278 Jan 17, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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So how comes this ""Judaic background" of Darwin,..(is)common knowledge in the Jewish community" but "seems to be a shock to many non-Jews.”"?
Which one of his ancestors is Jewish? Even if he had some distant Jewish relative the man is a Christian, DON'T claim him or seek affiliation with him.
?
It was SATIRE

only an antisemitic imp like you would be fooled

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#47279 Jan 17, 2013
http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/121396/charle...

For more groans, Steve Mirsky, at Scientific American, gets the Marcus Twain Prize for satire with his response to the episode. Here’s a bit of Mirsky’s reply:

Though common knowledge in the Jewish community, Darwin’s Judaic background seems to be a shock to many non-Jews. I have only just learned, for example, that most readers of Darwin’s many publications do not know that the versions with which they are familiar are highly edited. The great evolutionist wrote in a very particular Jewish style, which his Victorian publisher then revised into highbrow 19th-century English.

For example, Darwin’s printed autobiography includes these lines about the captain of the Beagle:“Fitzroy’s temper was a most unfortunate one. It was usually worst in the early morning, and with his eagle eye he could generally detect something amiss about the ship, and was then unsparing in his blame.” But Darwin’s original version, written on cocktail napkins during meetings of the Shrewsbury Beth Israel synagogue’s building committee, reads:“Don’t get me started on Fitzroy and his meshuggaas. This meshuggener had a bed with only a wrong side because that’s what he always woke up on. Always looking for tsuris. What a schmuck.”

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#47280 Jan 17, 2013
Hey HUGHBE

Its also common knowledge among us Jews that we have horns
Gtown71

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#47281 Jan 17, 2013
MAAT wrote:
Giving a short on evolution.
That question annoyed me today, but that had more to do with the posters that asked it since we had been over that on all levels.
4 Bya single cell creatures
2 Bya cells with nuclei
2.3 Bya multicellular organisms
2.5 Bya diversity, explosion of life
300 Mya largeplants, animals, complex creatures,'dinosaurs'.
4 Mya upright ape
2 Mya early human ancestors
It's a rough timeline and approximation, of life adapting towards more complexity in emergent and convergent ways, what tried and true evolves over and over again in various forms (e.g. eyes, parasitism)
Through competition (predation and protection) and symbiosis with many extinction events not mentioned. And i did not start with the way first cellwalls might have most probably started nor with the first trick of getting aminoacids.
Another way of looking at it:
24 hours ago onecelled
12 hours multicelled
1 hour dinosaurs
40 seconds men
less than one second ago modern men
Yes I realize this is what you and many others "believe ".

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#47282 Jan 17, 2013
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm...

This attempt to insult Darwin by categorizing him as Jewish surprised me because I thought everyone always knew Darwin was “a member of the tribe.” I attended Hebrew school in preparation for my bar mitzvah, and the classroom featured pictures of our top-three historical figures: Abraham, Moses and Darwin.(There was also a small photograph of Paul Newman, who was half-Jewish.) We learned how Darwin received a fantastic bar mitzvah gift of a five-year ocean cruise on the HMS Beagle. I got savings bonds.

Though common knowledge in the Jewish community, Darwin's Judaic background seems to be a shock to many non-Jews. I have only just learned, for example, that most readers of Darwin's many publications do not know that the versions with which they are familiar are highly edited. The great evolutionist wrote in a very particular Jewish style, which his Victorian publisher then revised into highbrow 19th-century English....

For example, Darwin's printed autobiography includes these lines about the captain of the Beagle:“Fitzroy's temper was a most unfortunate one. It was usually worst in the early morning, and with his eagle eye he could generally detect something amiss about the ship, and was then unsparing in his blame.” But Darwin's original version, written on cocktail napkins during meetings of the Shrewsbury Beth Israel synagogue's building committee, reads:“Don't get me started on Fitzroy and his meshuggaas. This meshuggener had a bed with only a wrong side because that's what he always woke up on. Always looking for tsuris. What a schmuck.”

The Voyage of the Beagle, Darwin's account of the cruise, includes this passage:“The different islands to a considerable extent are inhabited by a different set of beings. My attention was first called to this fact by the Vice-Governor, Mr. Lawson, declaring that the tortoises differed from the different islands, and that he could with certainty tell from which island any one was brought.” The original writing, scratched out on sheets listing the ship's leisure activities, reads:“I listened to Lawson's whole spiel, and he says if you show him a turtle, abracadabra, he'll tell you its shtetl. I buy it.”

Perhaps the most famous passage in all of Darwinia is at the end of the first edition of On the Origin of Species:“There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.”

In his manuscript for the book, which had been entitled L'Chaim: The Whole Megillah, Darwin concludes:“Such nachas I get when I wander around and look at turtles and birds, let me tell you. It is not a waste of time that could be spent doing something more productive. What, you think I schlepped up mountains in South America glomming insects for my health? And so the planet spins no matter what plans you had for it, big shot. And you start with a few things that are maybe a little mieskeit, but then, be patient. What, you have somewhere to be? So you wait until genug iz genug, and, guess what, you wind up with new things, some of which are really nice, with a shayna punim. Why that should be a problem, I don't know.”

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#47283 Jan 17, 2013
Hey Hughbe

Its common knowledge among us Jews that you have a little duck

““You must not lose faith ”

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#47284 Jan 17, 2013
Hughbe still hasnt lost his stupid.
How can you be so entirly blind and utterly dumb is still beyond me.

page 2131 directly under the post where you refuted my statement.(rather not refuted since you did not offer any factual corroborating evidence with your claim, nor gave in the simple meaning of the word any alternative. So you were just playing kindergarten again.)
You find two posts by Frijoles that point you exactly to the wiki source and quoted study.

Furthermore on page 2132 i stated and quoted from the wiki site given by Frijoles:

In case HB missed it:
In late 2009, the journal Radiocarbon announced agreement on the INTCAL09 standard, which extends a more accurate calibration curve to 50,000 years.[23][24] The results of research on varves in Lake Suigetsu, Japan, which was announced in 2012, realised this aim. "In most cases, the radiocarbon levels deduced from marine and other records have not been too far wrong. However, having a truly terrestrial record gives us better resolution and confidence in radiocarbon dating," said Bronk Ramsey. "It also allows us to look at the differences between the atmosphere and oceans and study the implications for our understanding of the marine environment as part of the global carbon cycle."[25]
Gtown71

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#47285 Jan 17, 2013
P
Liam R wrote:
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NO! Not one scientist has EVER claimed to use carbon-14 to date the age of the Earth. That is a foolish caricature. Radiometric dating is ONE of the methods used to prove that the Earth is billions of years old, but it does not use C-14 for this. They use various other radioactive materials with known half-lives to make the determination.
And of course science changes over time. That is its strength. As we learn new facts and find new evidence, we modify science to better conform to the real world that is being described.
Yes, the Bible says what it says without changing, and that is one of its flaws. We now know that the world is not flat. We now know that rain does not require some sky fairy to open up a window in the clouds. We now know that the Moon does not give off its own light, that it only reflects Sunlight. And in spite of the claim made in Genesis 2, there were no humans around when the very first animals appeared.
Yes I do know science changes its theories all the time.
Plus anyone can take bible verses out of context, or address them to groups or individuals they were never intended for. "Preachers " do it all the time.

When a bone is dug up, you can say for certain that something died.

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#47287 Jan 17, 2013
huh erics sister disowned by him?

And has anyone heard from Sea?

““You must not lose faith ”

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#47288 Jan 17, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
Hey Hughbe
Its common knowledge among us Jews that you have a little duck
And we also all know that he is an industrious plucker.

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#47289 Jan 17, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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What makes you think that he is educated in any way, shape or form?
Good point.
Gtown71

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#47290 Jan 17, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
http://www.scientificamerican. com/article.cfm?id=why-is-this -darwin-different-from-all-oth er-darwins
This attempt to insult Darwin by categorizing him as Jewish surprised me because I thought everyone always knew Darwin was “a member of the tribe.” I attended Hebrew school in preparation for my bar mitzvah, and the classroom featured pictures of our top-three historical figures: Abraham, Moses and Darwin.(There was also a small photograph of Paul Newman, who was half-Jewish.) We learned how Darwin received a fantastic bar mitzvah gift of a five-year ocean cruise on the HMS Beagle. I got savings bonds.
Though common knowledge in the Jewish community, Darwin's Judaic background seems to be a shock to many non-Jews. I have only just learned, for example, that most readers of Darwin's many publications do not know that the versions with which they are familiar are highly edited. The great evolutionist wrote in a very particular Jewish style, which his Victorian publisher then revised into highbrow 19th-century English....
For example, Darwin's printed autobiography includes these lines about the captain of the Beagle:“Fitzroy's temper was a most unfortunate one. It was usually worst in the early morning, and with his eagle eye he could generally detect something amiss about the ship, and was then unsparing in his blame.” But Darwin's original version, written on cocktail napkins during meetings of the Shrewsbury Beth Israel synagogue's building committee, reads:“Don't get me started on Fitzroy and his meshuggaas. This meshuggener had a bed with only a wrong side because that's what he always woke up on. Always looking for tsuris. What a schmuck.”
The Voyage of the Beagle, Darwin's account of the cruise, includes this passage:“The different islands to a considerable extent are inhabited by a different set of beings. My attention was first called to this fact by the Vice-Governor, Mr. Lawson, declaring that the tortoises differed from the different islands, and that he could with certainty tell from which island any one was brought.” The original writing, scratched out on sheets listing the ship's leisure activities, reads:“I listened to Lawson's whole spiel, and he says if you show him a turtle, abracadabra, he'll tell you its shtetl. I buy it.”
Perhaps the most famous passage in all of Darwinia is at the end of the first edition of On the Origin of Species:“There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.”
In his manuscript for the book, which had been entitled L'Chaim: The Whole Megillah, Darwin concludes:“Such nachas I get when I wander around and) look at turtles and birds, let me tell you. It is not a waste of time that could be spent doing something more productive. What, you think I schlepped up mountains in South America glomming insects for my health? And so the planet spins no matter what plans you had for it, big shot. And you start with a few things that are maybe a little mieskeit, but then, be patient. What, you have somewhere to be? So you wait until genug iz genug, and, guess what, you wind up with new things, some of which are really nice, with a shayna punim. Why that should be a problem, I don't know.”
Well they say good things come to those who wait.
How long do you think man will have to wait, before the see anything evolve?
Gtown71

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#47292 Jan 17, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Unfortunately, it's not just the uneducated. There are a host of educated people that choose to remain willfully ignorant.
Here's a quote from House representative Paul Broun (R-GA) who is <gasp> a current member of the House Science Committee:
"All that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and the Big Bang Theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of Hell. And it’s lies to try to keep me and all the folks who were taught that from understanding that they need a savior."
Paul B. Is right.
Gtown71

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#47294 Jan 17, 2013
MAAT wrote:
Hughbe still hasnt lost his stupid.
How can you be so entirly blind and utterly dumb is still beyond me.
page 2131 directly under the post where you refuted my statement.(rather not refuted since you did not offer any factual corroborating evidence with your claim, nor gave in the simple meaning of the word any alternative. So you were just playing kindergarten again.)
You find two posts by Frijoles that point you exactly to the wiki source and quoted study.
Furthermore on page 2132 i stated and quoted from the wiki site given by Frijoles:
In case HB missed it:
In late 2009, the journal Radiocarbon announced agreement on the INTCAL09 standard, which extends a more accurate calibration curve to 50,000 years.[23][24] The results of research on varves in Lake Suigetsu, Japan, which was announced in 2012, realised this aim. "In most cases, the radiocarbon levels deduced from marine and other records have not been too far wrong. However, having a truly terrestrial record gives us better resolution and confidence in radiocarbon dating," said Bronk Ramsey. "It also allows us to look at the differences between the atmosphere and oceans and study the implications for our understanding of the marine environment as part of the global carbon cycle."[25]
We sometimes wonder how people can be so smart, yet blind.

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#47296 Jan 17, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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So if the arms that you have are branded unlawful you are going to keep them and be a law breaker?
I'm not aware of anyone branding handguns unlawful. Let's stick to the facts. The proposed restrictions are on assault weapons and high capacity magazines. As usual, your paranoia is getting the best of you.

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#47298 Jan 17, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
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Yes I realize this is what you and many others "believe ".
Good god, man, get a clue.

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#47301 Jan 17, 2013
MAAT wrote:
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And we also all know that he is an industrious plucker.
For it is written:
A serpent am I, yet on land I would die.
Born through fire, I'm lost in winds and muddied in water.
Completed I can make you dead, but currently I have no head.
From your veins I flow, from essence did I grow.
I am cursed with but one eye. And from haystacks I will spy.
I am water that brings fire to your heart.
I can get you almost anything you want, but with no one to accept me, I am worthless.

I demonstrate faith in a dark god.
I pluck the denizens of the sea, to serve a salty sailor's tea.

Remove my yellow skin, and dine on me within.
Sticks and stones may break me, exercise may ache me.
The blunt force I provide is surprisingly constructive.
The slowest of assassins, I'm at your home on your blade or in your drink.
Though I'm light, I cannot illuminate the dark.
Though my friends fly high,I was always destined to protect.
Without me, a deathslinger is merely a gorajo with a stick.

While many call me mould, some call me savoury.
Without me you cannot survive / would perish, but fill a room with me and you would surely die.
--
'HeeBees jeew bees' is also reported coming from his mouth.
Which scared us greatly.
And almost made us convert to the godfather with the milky breasts and his son the milkcup.

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#47302 Jan 17, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
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Paul B. Is right.
Prove it.

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#47303 Jan 17, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
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We sometimes wonder how people can be so smart, yet blind.
Can you eloborate on that statement.
As in what the heck are you imp lying.

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#47306 Jan 17, 2013
R it makes you realise that fundies are more scared of science than of hell.

And the strange thing is that they are always entirely up to date on hell.

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