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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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““You must not lose faith ”

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#47257 Jan 17, 2013
Giving a short on evolution.
That question annoyed me today, but that had more to do with the posters that asked it since we had been over that on all levels.

4 Bya single cell creatures
2 Bya cells with nuclei
2.3 Bya multicellular organisms
2.5 Bya diversity, explosion of life
300 Mya largeplants, animals, complex creatures,'dinosaurs'.
4 Mya upright ape
2 Mya early human ancestors

It's a rough timeline and approximation, of life adapting towards more complexity in emergent and convergent ways, what tried and true evolves over and over again in various forms (e.g. eyes, parasitism)
Through competition (predation and protection) and symbiosis with many extinction events not mentioned. And i did not start with the way first cellwalls might have most probably started nor with the first trick of getting aminoacids.

Another way of looking at it:
24 hours ago onecelled
12 hours multicelled
1 hour dinosaurs
40 seconds men
less than one second ago modern men

““You must not lose faith ”

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#47258 Jan 17, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Take it up with my agent.
Allright, my agent will call yours.

People get 'm selves an avatar and immediately get ideas of grandeur.

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#47259 Jan 17, 2013
Some fitting music

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#47260 Jan 17, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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The burden of proof is on you, the one making the accusation.
I present as my evidence, every single post you've submitted on this forum.

I rest my case.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#47261 Jan 17, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
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I'm sure I'm biased becouse of my faith, if I'm not I don't have very much faith. We are all biased becouse of our beliefs.
There is only one thing since time began that has never been disproved (given enough time). That is the bible. Scientist say the earth is billions of years old. I believe they are wrong. One method they have used is radiocarbom 14 or 14 c, however you want to look at it. They claimed they could date the earth with this method at millions of years. It has been proven that 14 c is only accurate to thousands of years. It is funny to me that when one way gets disproved, then they (the scoentist) have to find a new way to try to disprove the bible. There is only one constant -the bible says what it says, never changing. It doesn't have to change. Science on the other hand seems to always change to fit the newest "scientists " theory.
NO! Not one scientist has EVER claimed to use carbon-14 to date the age of the Earth. That is a foolish caricature. Radiometric dating is ONE of the methods used to prove that the Earth is billions of years old, but it does not use C-14 for this. They use various other radioactive materials with known half-lives to make the determination.

And of course science changes over time. That is its strength. As we learn new facts and find new evidence, we modify science to better conform to the real world that is being described.

Yes, the Bible says what it says without changing, and that is one of its flaws. We now know that the world is not flat. We now know that rain does not require some sky fairy to open up a window in the clouds. We now know that the Moon does not give off its own light, that it only reflects Sunlight. And in spite of the claim made in Genesis 2, there were no humans around when the very first animals appeared.

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#47262 Jan 17, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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When do you liberals think that you will finally have that liberal utopia?
When you are able to disarm the american people?
You're barking up the wrong tree. I'm armed and have no plans of disarming. You're letting your paranoia get the best of you - AGAIN.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#47263 Jan 17, 2013
MAAT wrote:
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As usual you missed the crucial word: reliable.
So none will doubt the findings.
Maat---C14 is reliable upto 50,000 years

HughBe--- INCORRECT

Maat---As usual you missed the crucial word: reliable.
So none will doubt the findings.

HughBe--- And you made such a conclusion from the ONLY word that I used i.e. INCORRECT? If so, I regard it as brilliant, my dear Maat.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#47265 Jan 17, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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From an excellent description of the scientific process to poop coffee. You're a man of many talents and interests ;-)
Culti to Frijoles--You're a man of many talents and interests ;-)

HughBe--- His talents are REAR and his interests fall under one umbrella i.e. homosexuality and related activities.

“No Allah: know peace”

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#47264 Jan 17, 2013
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: the age of earth, has never exceeded 6818 man years. which is all seven days of G-D, here in always TheTorah againses. every time G-D, gives this story. it is all remade, just like it says in TheTorah Scroll. an the number of times, HaShem has given TheTorah, is some where between, 3 or 4 times 1000000 approximatly. the equavilant of between 20 to 30 billion man years. as the world has failed, with their idolatry between three to four million times already passed you by. and if you accept what lying men say is true, then you are an idolator of men. cause you do not accept, what G-D says is true here in TheTorah Happening again.
Do try to remember that Frijoles was talking about the REAL world...

“No Allah: know peace”

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#47266 Jan 17, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Unfortunately, it's not just the uneducated. There are a host of educated people that choose to remain willfully ignorant.
Here's a quote from House representative Paul Broun (R-GA) who is <gasp> a current member of the House Science Committee:
"All that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and the Big Bang Theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of Hell. And it’s lies to try to keep me and all the folks who were taught that from understanding that they need a savior."
What makes you think that he is educated in any way, shape or form?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#47267 Jan 17, 2013
http://www.jta.org/news/article/2012/12/19/31...

In Jamaica, the Jewish future is in intermarriages and conversions

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#47268 Jan 17, 2013
http://www.jta.org/news/article/2013/01/11/31...

Scientific American mocks claims that Darwin was Jewish

January 11, 2013

(JTA)-- Scientific American magazine satirized claims in a Turkish children's book that Charles Darwin was Jewish.

The Jan. 8 article was written in response to reports in October about a series of books aimed at Turkish schoolchildren that describe Darwin as a hook-nosed Jew who kept the company of monkeys.

The books sparked outrage in Turkey and protests from Turkish teachers. The Istanbul-area school district that distributed the books later claimed it was not aware of their content.

In the online article, Steve Mirsky writes that the "Judaic background" of Darwin, who studied to be a priest at Cambridge’s Christ’s College, is "common knowledge in the Jewish community" but "seems to be a shock to many non-Jews.”

Mirsky added that this background influenced the writing of Darwin, who first described biological evolution through natural selection with scientific rigor in his book "On the Origin of Species."

The manuscript, Mirsky wrote, was originally titled "L'Chaim: The Whole Megillah."

The official website of Darwin Day, an international organization that celebrates Darwin’s heritage, says his parents are buried at Montford Parish Church. His mother belonged to the Christian Unitarian theological stream and took him as a young child with her to the Unitarian Church.

Darwin, who died in 1882 at the age of 73, was married to Emma Darwin, a devout Christian.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#47270 Jan 17, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
http://www.jta.org/news/articl e/2013/01/11/3116631/scientifi c-american-mocks-claims-that-d arwin-was-jewish
Scientific American mocks claims that Darwin was Jewish
January 11, 2013
(JTA)-- Scientific American magazine satirized claims in a Turkish children's book that Charles Darwin was Jewish.
The Jan. 8 article was written in response to reports in October about a series of books aimed at Turkish schoolchildren that describe Darwin as a hook-nosed Jew who kept the company of monkeys.
The books sparked outrage in Turkey and protests from Turkish teachers. The Istanbul-area school district that distributed the books later claimed it was not aware of their content.
In the online article, Steve Mirsky writes that the "Judaic background" of Darwin, who studied to be a priest at Cambridge’s Christ’s College, is "common knowledge in the Jewish community" but "seems to be a shock to many non-Jews.”
Mirsky added that this background influenced the writing of Darwin, who first described biological evolution through natural selection with scientific rigor in his book "On the Origin of Species."
The manuscript, Mirsky wrote, was originally titled "L'Chaim: The Whole Megillah."
The official website of Darwin Day, an international organization that celebrates Darwin’s heritage, says his parents are buried at Montford Parish Church. His mother belonged to the Christian Unitarian theological stream and took him as a young child with her to the Unitarian Church.
Darwin, who died in 1882 at the age of 73, was married to Emma Darwin, a devout Christian.
Frijoles--In the online article, Steve Mirsky writes that the "Judaic background" of Darwin, who studied to be a priest at Cambridge’s Christ’s College, is "common knowledge in the Jewish community" but "seems to be a shock to many non-Jews.”

HughBe--- Why not disown him? His mother was NOT Jewish and he was a CHRISTIAN.

Recall, Jews who are Christians are NOT Jews based on the EVIL taught by rabbis.

It is interesting that Judahites would want to link themselves to Darwin. Is it to make themselves feel SPECIAL?

There is no other reason based on their FALSE teachings of mother making you a Jew plus the man being a Christian and it seems even his BIOLOGY is not Jewish.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#47271 Jan 17, 2013
It was toungue in cheek you DOLT

as a satiric response to the Turkish nonsense

you are a royal imp.

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#47272 Jan 17, 2013
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#47273 Jan 17, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
http://www.jta.org/news/articl e/2013/01/11/3116631/scientifi c-american-mocks-claims-that-d arwin-was-jewish
Scientific American mocks claims that Darwin was Jewish
January 11, 2013
(JTA)-- Scientific American magazine satirized claims in a Turkish children's book that Charles Darwin was Jewish.
The Jan. 8 article was written in response to reports in October about a series of books aimed at Turkish schoolchildren that describe Darwin as a hook-nosed Jew who kept the company of monkeys.
The books sparked outrage in Turkey and protests from Turkish teachers. The Istanbul-area school district that distributed the books later claimed it was not aware of their content.
In the online article, Steve Mirsky writes that the "Judaic background" of Darwin, who studied to be a priest at Cambridge’s Christ’s College, is "common knowledge in the Jewish community" but "seems to be a shock to many non-Jews.”
Mirsky added that this background influenced the writing of Darwin, who first described biological evolution through natural selection with scientific rigor in his book "On the Origin of Species."
The manuscript, Mirsky wrote, was originally titled "L'Chaim: The Whole Megillah."
The official website of Darwin Day, an international organization that celebrates Darwin’s heritage, says his parents are buried at Montford Parish Church. His mother belonged to the Christian Unitarian theological stream and took him as a young child with her to the Unitarian Church.
Darwin, who died in 1882 at the age of 73, was married to Emma Darwin, a devout Christian.
Frijoles---" His mother belonged to the Christian Unitarian theological stream and took him as a young child with her to the Unitarian Church. "

HughBe-- Darwin was DEFINITELY not Jewish. He was a Christian. Mother was Christian and NOT Jewish. Jewish mother makes you a JEW.

Frijoles--- "Darwin, who studied to be a priest at Cambridge’s Christ’s College"

HughBe--- Definitely Christian.

So how comes this ""Judaic background" of Darwin,..(is)common knowledge in the Jewish community" but "seems to be a shock to many non-Jews.”"?

Which one of his ancestors is Jewish? Even if he had some distant Jewish relative the man is a Christian, DON'T claim him or seek affiliation with him.

Eric's SISTER is disowned by him and US because she is a Christian. Do the same to Darwin who does not have Jewish blood like her and in all likelihood have no Jewish blood.

Why the double standard? Why the hypocrisy?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#47274 Jan 17, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
It was toungue in cheek you DOLT
as a satiric response to the Turkish nonsense
you are a royal imp.
Frijoles---you are a royal imp.

HughBe--- I accept the ROYAL part. You are a COMMON imp.
Voluntarist

United States

#47275 Jan 17, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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You're barking up the wrong tree. I'm armed and have no plans of disarming. You're letting your paranoia get the best of you - AGAIN.
So if the arms that you have are branded unlawful you are going to keep them and be a law breaker?
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#47276 Jan 17, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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Do try to remember that Frijoles was talking about the REAL world...
rabbee: this world being real, come on! get real. all the lies in this delusional world, does not make it real. no matter how realistic, all the lying may seem.

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#47277 Jan 17, 2013
wiki abiogenesis:
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however, the inorganic composition of all cells differ from that of modern sea water, which led Mulkidjanian and colleagues to reconstruct the "hatcheries" of the first cells combining geochemical analysis with phylogenomic scrutiny of the inorganic ion requirements of universal components of modern cells. The authors conclude that ubiquitous, and by inference primordial, proteins and functional systems show affinity to and functional requirement for K+, Zn2+, Mn2+, and phosphate. Geochemical reconstruction shows that the ionic composition conducive to the origin of cells could not have existed in what we today call marine settings but is compatible with emissions of vapor-dominated zones of what we today call inland geothermal systems. Under the anoxic, CO2-dominated primordial atmosphere, the chemistry of water condensates and exhalations near geothermal fields would resemble the internal milieu of modern cells. Therefore, the precellular stages of evolution may have taken place in shallow "Darwin-ponds" lined with porous silicate minerals mixed with metal sulfides and enriched in K+, Zn2+, and phosphorus compounds.[68][69]
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montmorillonite/octalite/carpe ntras soil etc. comes in at this point.
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KAB we allready discussed that genesis makes no differentiation between mankind and animals, they are having the same term creatures/lifespirits.
So the first part would be written as a ranking system by a Priestly source and copied from the Marduk account at Ebla (were one such account was found)
The second part starting in the SS with the second sentence of 2:4 would be by a Jahwist source making clear what mankinds role would be.
Adam (fertile soil) gets created first here, and than the plants and animals. Eve (Havah wide birth) get's created last of all.(apropos also found in really old Babylonian myths.)
But i would add here that we are used to devide everything in strict communities, where the hebrew book however shows three kids of law(also attested in historic studies)vigorating and lots of cultural exchange. It gives thus an image of all that was known then including the influences.
And for the various interpretation you must read a book of 1,8 million pages. The oral Torah.
Good luck with this DATA. It should keep you occupied for at least a while.

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