Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Safety pins and screws are still lodged in 15-year-old Ami Ortiz's body three months after he opened a booby-trapped gift basket sent to his family.

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I know what you're talking about.
I'm trying to determine how widespread your conspiracy theories are?
Please share any thoughts you have on building 7.
Do you have questions on that one as well?
That all depends on whether you will concede that the bomb squad was at okc before the bomb went off, seems like we cant get past the first fact without you derailing the convrsation because you seem to have some point to make about building 7.
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rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: actually the most wastefull and inefficient government institution is the irs. it consumes from, a quarter to a third of the budget just collecting taxes. and is the most wastefull, of all government programs.
as the sales tax system, is the most efficient and inexpensive form of collecting taxes.
The irs is the collection agency for the federal reserve, wasteful on purpose.
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rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: do the people have the right, to have and bear the same kind of arms. as their government, gone or going mad. how much you want to be, that the syrian rebel wished they had the right to bear, abrams tanks, and surface to air missles?
Rights arent given by governments they are there to secure rights, so yes government has no business limiting ownership of arms.

Its amazing how collectivists always try to put limits on rights but when it comes to governmental power they claim that is limitless.
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PETTY BEING & LOWLY PROPHETS:
Muhammad, Jesus, Moses, YHVH, El, Allah and other petty beings and prophets were clueless about the true soul in the human being and they mistook the life force for the true soul.
I just bought a book, "PROFF OF HEAVEN ". I've not read it yet, but you may or may not find it interesting.

It talks about what happened to a doctor one day.

He talks about the condition his brain was in, with medicsl proff to back it up.
Maybe you can check it out?
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Voluntarist wrote:
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The irs is the collection agency for the federal reserve, wasteful on purpose.
rabbee: they collect the revenue for the federal government to operate. they do not directly work, for the federal reserve. the federal reserve, is not actually part of the federal government.

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"religion based on behavioral practices?"
Sounds like the tail wagging the dog?
Wouldn't the faith/religion have to come first?
Otherwise why the specifice behavior/practice?
a. I wouldnt underestimate the importance of rote (i.e. habitual) behavior over conscious (i.e. faith inspired) effort.

b. The poster was noting that Jews in his town seemed to be in a world apart from him. What he was probably reacting to was the different behaviors (i.e. modes of dress, sociality, eating etc etc) more so than belief because I am assuming he never really got into a deep conversation with any of them regarding their beliefs.

c. I know we have discussed this topic many times before and I agree that faith is the cornerstone, however (and as I have probably said a few times before) most forms of Judaism - emphasize ritual and behavior more so non Catholic forms of Christianity, and as a result the word "faith" doesnt represent the totality or the essence of the practice - therefore a lot of Jews (maybe not all) when they hear the word "faith" they understand that to be how Christians understand Jews, but not how Jews understand Jews.

d. From a pure logic point of view you of course have a valid point, with the caveats above.
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Voluntarist wrote:
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That all depends on whether you will concede that the bomb squad was at okc before the bomb went off, seems like we cant get past the first fact without you derailing the convrsation because you seem to have some point to make about building 7.
I don't know the details of the timeline of events at OKC.

I've never heard anything credible about it being an inside job.

You're the first person I've personally communicated with who thinks otherwise.

Or do you simply have questions?

I accept the official story (note the last sentence):

The official investigation, known as "OKBOMB", was the largest criminal investigation case in American history; FBI agents conducted 28,000 interviews, amassing 3.5 short tons (3.2 t) of evidence, and collected nearly one billion pieces of information.[13][14][15] The bombers were tried and convicted in 1997. McVeigh was executed by lethal injection on June 11, 2001, and Nichols was sentenced to life in prison. Michael and Lori Fortier testified against McVeigh and Nichols; Michael was sentenced to 12 years in prison for failing to warn the U.S. government, and Lori received immunity from prosecution in exchange for her testimony. As with other large-scale terrorist attacks, conspiracy theories dispute the official claims and allege the involvement of additional perpetrators.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bo...
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a. I wouldnt underestimate the importance of rote (i.e. habitual) behavior over conscious (i.e. faith inspired) effort.
b. The poster was noting that Jews in his town seemed to be in a world apart from him. What he was probably reacting to was the different behaviors (i.e. modes of dress, sociality, eating etc etc) more so than belief because I am assuming he never really got into a deep conversation with any of them regarding their beliefs.
c. I know we have discussed this topic many times before and I agree that faith is the cornerstone, however (and as I have probably said a few times before) most forms of Judaism - emphasize ritual and behavior more so non Catholic forms of Christianity, and as a result the word "faith" doesnt represent the totality or the essence of the practice - therefore a lot of Jews (maybe not all) when they hear the word "faith" they understand that to be how Christians understand Jews, but not how Jews understand Jews.
d. From a pure logic point of view you of course have a valid point, with the caveats above.
A "fair and balanced" response - not to smear you with a Fox Newsism!

I can't disagree with one word of it.

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A "fair and balanced" response - not to smear you with a Fox Newsism!
I can't disagree with one word of it.
Speaking of Fox Snooze...

http://www.salon.com/2013/01/05/12_most_despi...

12 most despicable things Fox News did in 2012

From producing its own anti-Obama video to spinning furiously on unemployment, the network had a banner year.
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Speaking of Fox Snooze...
http://www.salon.com/2013/01/05/12_most_despi...
12 most despicable things Fox News did in 2012
From producing its own anti-Obama video to spinning furiously on unemployment, the network had a banner year.
When the unemployment figures came out the other day, there was headling on the Drudge Report:

"Unemployment UP TO 7.8%" [my caps]

I did a double-take until I realized most of their readers would be too dumb to know that was the same rate the previous month.

Same principle Fox News flourishes under.

PT Barnum had a quote about that....
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I just bought a book, "PROFF OF HEAVEN ". I've not read it yet, but you may or may not find it interesting.
It talks about what happened to a doctor one day.
He talks about the condition his brain was in, with medicsl proff to back it up.
Maybe you can check it out?
I read it, he was a skeptic turned into believer, he even has a psychic friend whome he didnt believe in until the event.
Doctors act the same way towards natural healing, they poo poo it since it isnt in their medical books.
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rabbee: they collect the revenue for the federal government to operate. they do not directly work, for the federal reserve. the federal reserve, is not actually part of the federal government.
The tax they collect is just to service the debt, not for anything else.
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I don't know the details of the timeline of events at OKC.
I've never heard anything credible about it being an inside job.
You're the first person I've personally communicated with who thinks otherwise.
Or do you simply have questions?
I accept the official story (note the last sentence):
The official investigation, known as "OKBOMB", was the largest criminal investigation case in American history; FBI agents conducted 28,000 interviews, amassing 3.5 short tons (3.2 t) of evidence, and collected nearly one billion pieces of information.[13][14][15] The bombers were tried and convicted in 1997. McVeigh was executed by lethal injection on June 11, 2001, and Nichols was sentenced to life in prison. Michael and Lori Fortier testified against McVeigh and Nichols; Michael was sentenced to 12 years in prison for failing to warn the U.S. government, and Lori received immunity from prosecution in exchange for her testimony. As with other large-scale terrorist attacks, conspiracy theories dispute the official claims and allege the involvement of additional perpetrators.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bo...
As usual you and everyone else need nanny to tell you what happened when the facts are right in your face.
In regards to.buikding 7, it had all of the observable characteristics of a detonation, that is a fact.
"If only one person had seen it, or two or three ... but 24?" former FBI
veteran Danny Coulson told the authors. "Twenty four people say, yes,
I saw him with someone else? That's pretty powerful."
Three bombs inside the building
You probably never saw this.
Two big bombs were found INSIDE the Oklahoma City federal building
and defused.
These clips ran on local news live...and were never broadcast again.
There is no way a truck bomb regardless of size could have done the
damage that was done to that building.
The government's story is a complete lie and they know it.
The "terrorism expert" and the end of this clip Dr. Randall Heather was
never seen on TV again and can't be found on Google (except in relation
to this appearance.)
Rather than test the site to assess the exact composition of the bomb
material as Dr. Heather and USAF General Partin (ret) recommended, the
building was demolished and all the wreckage was removed to a fenced
in landfill and buried.
No tests were ever done.
http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/spin-1/okl...
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When the unemployment figures came out the other day, there was headling on the Drudge Report:
"Unemployment UP TO 7.8%" [my caps]
I did a double-take until I realized most of their readers would be too dumb to know that was the same rate the previous month.
Same principle Fox News flourishes under.
PT Barnum had a quote about that....
Perhaps they were comparing last years figure to this years figure?
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As usual you and everyone else need nanny to tell you what happened when the facts are right in your face.
In regards to.buikding 7, it had all of the observable characteristics of a detonation, that is a fact.
"If only one person had seen it, or two or three ... but 24?" former FBI
veteran Danny Coulson told the authors. "Twenty four people say, yes,
I saw him with someone else? That's pretty powerful."
Three bombs inside the building
You probably never saw this.
Two big bombs were found INSIDE the Oklahoma City federal building
and defused.
These clips ran on local news live...and were never broadcast again.
There is no way a truck bomb regardless of size could have done the
damage that was done to that building.
The government's story is a complete lie and they know it.
The "terrorism expert" and the end of this clip Dr. Randall Heather was
never seen on TV again and can't be found on Google (except in relation
to this appearance.)
Rather than test the site to assess the exact composition of the bomb
material as Dr. Heather and USAF General Partin (ret) recommended, the
building was demolished and all the wreckage was removed to a fenced
in landfill and buried.
No tests were ever done.
http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/spin-1/okl...
interesting info
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MECHANISM OF DEATH:

1) Matter or the physical range of Consciousness-Energy is the grossest aspect of the manifested unified field of Consciousness-Energy.

2) Friction among the flesh molecules and the clash of the various consciousnesses and energies in the body cause wear and tear of the body tissues and a concomitant lowering of the innate capacity to retain the finer aspects like the subtle physical, vital and mental energies.

3) The subtler ranges of consciousness-energy escape from the body leading to the condition called death.
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HOW CAN DEATH BE DEFEATED?

1) DEFEATING DEATH would involve a Herculean effort of infusing into the body the supramental or any other superior range of consciousness-energy where contradictions and the play of the opposites are replaced by a unified field of consciousnesses and forces which lead to a higher harmony thereby reducing friction and transforming matter to the extent that it can overcome the wear and tear caused by friction.

2) As a result the body tissues don't wear out and malfunction and besides the clash of the varied forces in the body is nullified and in place arises a new and higher harmony in which the principles of unification and complementarity pre-dominate and as such the finer consciousnesses and energies of the subtle physical, vital and mental are retained in the gross physical body resulting in physical immortality and a radical state of consciousness.
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interesting info
yes, it is all a Zionist conspiracy created and orchestrated by the Rabbis.

We should thank volunteerist for bring this to light.

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