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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Frijoles

United States

#46305 Dec 30, 2012
Eric wrote:
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I have told the story many times that when my son went to Israel with Birthright, the trip was chaparoned by the Lubivitchers. It was at a time of strife and I called our Rabbi to see if it were safe to go. Our Rabbi was more concerned that my son was going with the Lubivitchers than he was with the strife.
That story earned a chuckle.
Frijoles

United States

#46312 Dec 30, 2012
MUQ wrote:
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Ans.
1. Thanks for providing me the lest of Isreali Nobel Prize winner, You are right, to go to google and search for this info is really too much for me. I thank you for your efforts.

2. We can have our opinions for what Isreal is known in the world for. It is strange that it is "unable" to solve this "Little problem" with Palestinians in past 60 years. With so many 'Creative minds" in one place.
1. You are quite welcome. Consider yourself educated. And internet lazy.

2. To have peace, BOTH sides have to buy into it. So far that has not been the case.

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#46313 Dec 30, 2012
MUQ wrote:
Which “Sword” the Prophet Used against his enemies: Part-21
The Case of : A Bedouin of desert
Once prophet and his companions were returning from a Military compaign, it was noon time and very hot. Prophet saw a tree and wanted to take a small nap in its shade. He took his sword, hung it by one of the branch, and went to sleep.
A Bedouin was watching the prophet, he saw him alone, sleeping with his sword hanging by the tree. He was not a Muslim by that time, thinking it to be a good opportunity, he went to the tree, removed the sword and woke up the prophet.
Muhammad was considered the holiest person in the world by his followers, not just that he was also the chief and spiritual leader of the muslim community, and you want us to believe that when such important person go to make a nap under a tree, none of his soldiers and companions who were with him, haven't taken the honorable task to supervise him risking his life, as it is done with any important authority, such as king, emperor, chief, ect.

Also when the beduin had the chance to kill your prophet while he (Muhammad) was sleeping, what he does? Woke him up? And instead to kill him (don't know where all militars and companions were in that moment to help their prophet) was enough to pronunce the word Allah to drop the sword? LOL

This has the same credibility of the existence of goblins.
MUQ wrote:
The Case of : HUSEIN BIN MUNDHER, KHAZAI

“If you become Muslim, I will teach you two sentences which will benefit you much” said the prophet.
On this HUSEIN accepted Islam, and asked the prophet to teach him those two sentences.
I never known someone who changed religion so fast as this man.

MUQ, it doesn't require to be a rocket scientist to know that this stories are alterations of what really happened, if not full inventions.

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#46314 Dec 30, 2012
MUQ wrote:
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The Total number of "Human casualties" on Both Side in 10 years of "Intense Warfare" of our Prophet does not reach into 1000!!
Is there another example of such a "Peaceful Warrior" in the whole human history?
Our prophet used minimum force to get maximum result, could any one transfer the whole nation of Arabia, full with pagans into Strict Monotheism in mere 10 years with so little a force?
When you people start quoting "war history" of our prophet, you forget the most salient points!!
And you think that 'Every one of your reader" is not aware of Life History of our prophet.
But this is not the case. History of our prophet is like an open book, there is nothing hidden from our view.
But nevertheless it was a "brave effort" to prove your case!!
Make another try!!
If the story that Eric has reported is true, and Muhammad had killed that woman only because she disagreed with his modus operandi then such a cruel person would have surely killed the beduin that have attempted to kill him.

Muhammad had killed only 1000 people? But according to some Hadithes he has killed many members of a jewish tribe, Banu Qurayza, counted to be 600/700. If 600/700 is number of people belonging only to one tribe, then since he fought against many tribes, it goes without saying the 1000 is just a propagandistic number.
Gtown71

United States

#46315 Dec 30, 2012
MUQ wrote:
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You posted a fairly long post. We accept Jesus as a prophet of God and as a prophet of God, he preached the same message as prophets before him did.
That you worship only One True Lord and follow the example of your prophet.
As regards daily rituals and other things, we follow the example of Last and Final Prophet, who was sent as a Role Model for all humanity, till the last day.
We do not have to go very deep into the ritualistic aside of Jesus' message and concentrate on the spiritual and moral part of it, most of which were incorporated into teachings of our prophet, peace be on all prophets of God.
This is short reply to your long post.
Jesus is more than a prophet of God, He is God.
I never knew what verses the muslims used, and which ones the didn't?

Would you rather be asked by a man, to come to God?
would you rather God, ask you to come to Him?

Any religion a man can talk you into, another man can talk you out of, and into his religion.

If the one true living God, was to let you know without a doubt, that He was calling on you to come onto Him, and Him to live in you, then that is a day one never forgets.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#46318 Dec 30, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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Like I said, I dont really think IQ is an indicator of anything (my opinion) worthwhile in terms of intellectual productivity.
But if it was, being a fish in a smaller pool seems to me to be a startegy that is more successful than a fish in a big pool.
So you are likley ahead of the game, as long as you jump into a bigger pool.
Pleasant good morning to you Frijoles. In reading your post I gather that you are a FISH.

Have a pleasant day.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#46319 Dec 30, 2012
Eric wrote:
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Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
A tool in discovering the speaker of scripture is to look to the first part of the work. Therefore, in Zechariyah one can find the speaker in "Chapter" 1 of the "Book", and in particular, in "verses" 13 and 14.
Eric---Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day.

HughBe--- Truly it was a SHOCK to learn that you are NOW into FISHES and its EATING. It certainly is a very positive move and I wish for you and family and of course, Frijoles, BMZ, Former and Culti et.al the very best for 2013.

Continue to EAT fish, Eric, I am proud of you.
Eric

Lisle, IL

#46320 Dec 30, 2012
MUQ wrote:
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2. We can have our opinions for what Isreal is known in the world for. It is strange that it is "unable" to solve this "Little problem" with Palestinians in past 60 years. With so many 'Creative minds" in one place.
It takes two to solve that problem. You can't solve it without the Arabs wanting to discuss peace and come to the table. When they have the same attitude that you have espoused many times that the only solution is to give the Arabs 100% their own way, there can be no solution.
Eric

Lisle, IL

#46321 Dec 30, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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Eric---Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day.
HughBe--- Truly it was a SHOCK to learn that you are NOW into FISHES and its EATING. It certainly is a very positive move and I wish for you and family and of course, Frijoles, BMZ, Former and Culti et.al the very best for 2013.
Continue to EAT fish, Eric, I am proud of you.
And that is why one can't have an INTELLIGENT conversation with you. No wonder the Jamaicans are ranked 70th in IQ.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#46322 Dec 30, 2012
Eric wrote:
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And that is why one can't have an INTELLIGENT conversation with you. No wonder the Jamaicans are ranked 70th in IQ.
I'm glad you liked it.

Have an enjoyable day.
Frijoles

United States

#46323 Dec 30, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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Pleasant good morning to you Frijoles. In reading your post I gather that you are a FISH.
Have a pleasant day.
You give fish an unpleasant name.
Frijoles

United States

#46324 Dec 30, 2012
Eric wrote:
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And that is why one can't have an INTELLIGENT conversation with you. No wonder the Jamaicans are ranked 70th in IQ.
Surely its not because of their decorum or sensitivity.
idgaf

Bedford, MA

#46329 Dec 30, 2012
So, why is it so difficult to resolve this problem between palestinians and israelis? My guess is that they are governmental and political problems and not necessarily of the people. Am I wrong? What's the point of waring for so long with no gain? Not one of these sides has gained a thing. This sounds like a failure of politicians of israel and palestine. Educate me on what the fight is, because I get confused as to what these people are fighting over. Is it 2 extremist groups? Do all israelis hate all palestinians?
Frijoles

United States

#46330 Dec 30, 2012
idgaf wrote:
So, why is it so difficult to resolve this problem between palestinians and israelis? My guess is that they are governmental and political problems and not necessarily of the people. Am I wrong? What's the point of waring for so long with no gain? Not one of these sides has gained a thing. This sounds like a failure of politicians of israel and palestine. Educate me on what the fight is, because I get confused as to what these people are fighting over. Is it 2 extremist groups? Do all israelis hate all palestinians?
You are asking a lot of good questions, of which the answers probably can not be fully explained in the course of a few paragraphs - they involve history, economics, religion, and politics - all weighty subjects in their own right.

MY own thoughts are the following:

Currently there is not a lot of political will on either side of the conflict to settle.

It is incorrect to say both sides have not gained a thing. Israel has achieved to be a modern, vibrant country - and it has a lot to loose if a future Palestinian state is created without security guarantees.

Most Israelis do not hate Palestinians. Within Israel proper, palestinians are granted equal rights, and serve in government, civil service, and even the military. Not to belittle the class divisions and economic inequalities in Israeli society between Jews and Arabs - they are real.

There are extremists on both sides. The extremism in the Jewish side is rooted in Jewish fundamentalism. Originally, the extremism on the Arab side was rooted in nationalism, but over the last twenty years, the extremism has been rooted in a widely accepted form of political Islam which has religiousized the conflict on the Arab side.

Anyway, these are my thoughts. I am sure others will weigh in with their own opinions and perspectives.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#46335 Dec 30, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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You give fish an unpleasant name.
HughBe-- Pleasant good morning to you Frijoles. In reading your post I gather that you are a FISH.
Have a pleasant day.

Frijoles---You give fish an unpleasant name

HughBe--- I accept your self-assessment.
Frijoles

United States

#46339 Dec 30, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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HughBe-- Pleasant good morning to you Frijoles. In reading your post I gather that you are a FISH.
Have a pleasant day.
Frijoles---You give fish an unpleasant name
HughBe--- I accept your self-assessment.
perhaps someday you will graduate to polite conversation

“Where is Cookeville?”

Since: Dec 07

Cookeville

#46342 Dec 30, 2012
MUQ wrote:
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You posted a fairly long post. We accept Jesus as a prophet of God and as a prophet of God, he preached the same message as prophets before him did.
That you worship only One True Lord and follow the example of your prophet.
As regards daily rituals and other things, we follow the example of Last and Final Prophet, who was sent as a Role Model for all humanity, till the last day.
We do not have to go very deep into the ritualistic aside of Jesus' message and concentrate on the spiritual and moral part of it, most of which were incorporated into teachings of our prophet, peace be on all prophets of God.
This is short reply to your long post.
No, you DON'T. Not as a people. By and large, the Islamic world is a complete basket-case, run by despots and madmen at the top-tier level of society and under the oppression of a mob of over-zealous hippocrites on the local level of your societies. Ultra-pious, uneducated bigots who have convinced YOUR masses that you should be nations and people's composed of busy-bodies who inform upon, hang, dis-member and stone people to death in order to be anything resembling a "moral" soceity and they have codified it into law somehow. Every Islamic nation in the world but a scant handful restrict the right of women to vote, most to even drive or be alone outside of their home without some sort of familial male escort, and every problem you hate-filled, paranoid people ever have you somehow blame on Israel or America. That mentality is SPECIFICALLY why Muslim nations by-and-large have officially rejected the teachings of Jesus, yes, He had problems with the world around Him as well. Israel was an occupied territory that most of the Jews of His time felt were at the mercy of powers they were too strong to withstand and could only rail against... did He feel that way? No. He knew where the fault in His world lay. That's not how the majority of the Muslims on the planet look at things, though. They would rather have "war with the Infidel" as the solution to all the problems of the Muslim world (and they are numerous, and ironic at the same time, the Palestinian people of the occupied West Bank had the lowest infant mortality rate throughout the entire middle east, not because Palestinian doctors were exceptional but BECAUSE Israelis policy meant that all citizens in the occupied West Bank, Muslim and Jew, were entitled to free medical care.) A magnitude 6 earthquake hit the city of Bam, Iran in the middle of the last decade, THOUSANDS died in the aftermath, the very same magnitude earthquake hit the city of Portland that year in America (a city of comperable population-size) and ONE person died. These comparisons could go on and on, Muq, but the bottom line is, no. The Islamic world has most definately NOT accepted any of the teachings of Jesus. It has not, and probably never will, become any sort of self-sufficient entity that chooses to fundamentally change itself to be a more appropriate construct for humanity to function within as a means to progress humanity. It prefers chaos. That is why the underlying theory of Islamic teaching defines the world itself as existing in two stages, the House of Islam and the house of War. Any rational human being would look at your societies and say to themselves..."yeah, I'll go with the house of War."

“Where is Cookeville?”

Since: Dec 07

Cookeville

#46344 Dec 30, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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What seems to be at the heart of the matter (to me at least) is not what is absolute right, but what is right living...
And that would be a philosophy, not an answer. Therefore it would seem to be most meaningful, it would HAVE to be tailored toward each individual.
Now, philosophically speaking, that does bring up an interesting point. Can they be at odds? Truly? Is there a difference between what is right and what is right-living? Is that a problem that a dude like Muq or a dude like Fred Phelps of that Westboro Baptist would have a hard time answering? Running into (yet another) problem I have had with my endeavor, watching money drip down the drain, being generally unproductive I suppose and stymied by every solution I attempt, yet, at the same time, being re-energized by the best gift I could have POSSIBLY gotten for my recent endeavors while, of course, contemplating Jesus, His message, and life-in-general this time of year, I am often left to wonder... I have always heard that the strongest and surest path to take through life is to never give up. Never, ever give up. But some things DO need to be given up on. That is exactly what Jesus was saying, give UP on the slave-trading, give UP on the money-lending, give UP on the killing, the stoning, the judgement of others, the blaming of everyone else for your problems, either individually or as a people. His own disciples questioned Him on that sometimes, he basically told them to STFU. But when is the proper TIME to give up? I'm an old hat, I would never claim to be a spring chicken, so I know how the world works. Every single celluar-phone company that started the industry in the late 80's and early 90's went belly-up, they died at auction sold-off for pennies on the dollar. Yet they were bought, and now practically every human on earth has a cellphone. Directv and Dish Network sufferred BILLION-dollar losses for decades becoming even remotely viable, but almost half of all subscribers of television services these days watch that crap. Something fed by a satellite. Jesus chose to stand to the death for what He believed in. Loving others. Treating people like you yourself would like to be treated. I admire that. How can you not admire that? The one person who has probably ever existed on the planet Who wanted absolutely nothing from you, didn't care, really, what you did or said or how you lived or anything... the ultimate loner. I like that. it is powerful.

“Where is Cookeville?”

Since: Dec 07

Cookeville

#46345 Dec 30, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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Dont blame the poor Mayans. Their culture and belied system is undoubtably 100% more complicated than the water down "prophecy" that a few white people ran with.
Personally one of the funniest stories of 2012 to me was that Mitt Romney and Karl Rove, two of the more powerful wealthy folks in the US, with unlimited access to resources, were themselves victims to their party's own media bubble. Honestly (with no sarcasm), who would of thought?
Perhaps someone should of hooked their cable up to National Geographic as well.
I actually enjoyed watching Karl Rove get knocked off his high-horse. I liked his fairly humble background and all, but that guy really just seemed to run his course. He never seemed to me to be somebody particularily well-suited to managing something as important as election-posts that could effect international politics, and I would prefer that he just sort of "fall by the way-side." Plus, if he had had a lick of sense, he could have induced Condoleeze Rice to get on the ticket one way or the other, but the Republicans may simply not have had enough money to make that happen and run a campaign. I'm not saying I want a fancy-pants ultra-educated fellow as President like Hoover or that I want a suave fellow like Nixon, but I like a little spit and gravel mixed in with whoever I'm voting for. This last election, we had a guy who built his own career going out in Chicago nailing up posters to telephone polls. In the winter. That is not easy. He was running against a guy who arranged the buying and selling of American companies to downsize and mainstream through an office in China. The Republicans little "let's demonize Obama as a community organizer scheme" backfired on them, because they have never gone out during a Chicago winter to nail up posters to a telephone pole.
Eric

Lisle, IL

#46350 Dec 30, 2012
MUQ wrote:
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Any one ridiculing and lampooning the personality and character of our prophet, makes his or her blood letting justified.
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And not believing in message of our Prophet is not a crime which carries death penalty. Our prophet did not kill any one "Only because" he or she was an unbeliever.
Once some one has "made lawful her blood" by lampooning or making fun of the prophet, it was his judgment as to how to affect the penalty. He chose the method which would cause "minimum blood shed and maximum deterrent" to any would be "adventurer".***
The above proves my point. It is the epitome of ruthlessness to have someone killed for the exercise of free speech. And, you blindly buy into this blood letting. That was the only thing that the woman did. She spoke out against Muhammad's ruthlessness. And the coward had her killed in her sleep. Judge and Jury in one. And his lemming served as the executioner.

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