Messianic Jews say they are persecute...

Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Eric

Lisle, IL

#46217 Dec 27, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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My dear Eric, let me REMIND YOU of something, it was YOU who gave me the link to the Chabad site and at that time you held it out to be the version or scripture of CHOICE.
Recall YOU were not very happy with the JPS.
Actually, I am not satisfied with any translation. That is why one needs to read the work in its original language to get the true meaning.

Ask the Muslims if this is not true about their Quran.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#46218 Dec 27, 2012
Eric wrote:
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What's the matter? Can't you read the passages for yourself? It's quite clear in the passages who is the speaker. Do you want for me to wipe your tush too?
PLEASE IDENTIFY the speaker and PLEASE respond to "what word would you use in place of the "I" in verse 2 and why"

Explain the passages as requested.
Eric

Lisle, IL

#46219 Dec 27, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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I told YOU my source so my guess is that you misunderstood my words.
But is it really a mistake?
It is easier to believe that the sun fell from the sky 7 hours ago than that you made such a MISTAKE.
Who are the Lubavitchers?
Why would they have Christians scriptures?
Listen Hugh, I said I made a mistake. What more do you want? At least I admit when I make a mistake.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#46220 Dec 27, 2012
Eric wrote:
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Actually, I am not satisfied with any translation. That is why one needs to read the work in its original language to get the true meaning.
Ask the Muslims if this is not true about their Quran.
Well why not produce a superior work to that of your rabbis?

Share your understanding of the role of translations generally and here I am speaking about the spoken and written words.
Eric

Lisle, IL

#46221 Dec 27, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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Eric--Do you want for me to wipe your tush too?
HughBe---It certainly would be the wisest thing that you would have done in a long time.
I am not surprised that you since you are unable to read the passages, that you are also unable to perform simple tasks of hygiene.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#46222 Dec 27, 2012
Eric wrote:
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I am not surprised that you since you are unable to read the passages, that you are also unable to perform simple tasks of hygiene.
No son, a man of my standing can afford to have helpers for all things and since you have expressed an interest in cleaning that particular area I would give you the job because I like you as a person BUT not your dirty ways.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#46223 Dec 27, 2012
Eric wrote:
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Listen Hugh, I said I made a mistake. What more do you want? At least I admit when I make a mistake.
I will leave you alone as I did not find much balls to squeeze and so as soon as I started squeezing it was all over.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#46224 Dec 27, 2012
Eric wrote:
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Listen Hugh, I said I made a mistake. What more do you want? At least I admit when I make a mistake.
Let us forget the sideshow and FOCUS.

PLEASE respond to "what word would you use in place of the "I" in verse 2 and why"

Explain the passages as requested.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#46225 Dec 27, 2012
I'll check back later
Frijoles

United States

#46226 Dec 27, 2012
Eric wrote:
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I stand corrected. I didn't realize the Lubavitchers called their on-line text by the same name as Stern printed version.
yes, it appears its just a description, not a formal name.

Its not the same as the bible I posted.
Frijoles

United States

#46227 Dec 27, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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Well why not produce a superior work to that of your rabbis?
Share your understanding of the role of translations generally and here I am speaking about the spoken and written words.
Traditional Jews read it in the Hebrew without the translations. But you already know this - we have told you this 1000 times.
Frijoles

United States

#46228 Dec 27, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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Who are the Lubavitchers?
Why would they have Christians scriptures?
They dont. They just call their transation the complete Jewish bible. Its not the same as officially titled version that my posting referred to.
Eric

Lisle, IL

#46229 Dec 27, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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Let us forget the sideshow and FOCUS.
PLEASE respond to "what word would you use in place of the "I" in verse 2 and why"
Explain the passages as requested.
"and" collected (v'asafti)

because, that is what it says.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#46231 Dec 27, 2012
Idgaf wrote:
01. Putting armed guards or arming the teachers will never happen in the USA. We are too scared of being sued for the guards or the teachers accidentally shooting a kid during a response to a situation like that of the recent shootings.

There are a few things we can do:

- outlaw all guns, in which case, only the criminals and the cops have guns, reference the mess in Mexico for results of such action

- armed guards at all schools. This will not happen because the plan is to cut school funding, not increase it. No money means no guards and there is the issue of lawsuits in case of an accident and liability on the part of the school system that authorized the guards.

- arm the teachers or some teachers. This will not happen for liability reasons, schools don't want to be sued and personal liability, the teachers would be stupid to accept this as they carry additional liability and open themselves up to lawsuits and potential criminal action.

- metal detectors at all school entrances. This will catch all metal items, but requires someone to man it, again money issues, will never happen.

- mass spectrometer for explosives detection, again money issues.

- NOTHING. The most likely outcome. This requires no expenditure of money. No additional effort and we continue as we are.

There is no pretty solution to this problem. The issue is that crazy people will get weapons regardless of the laws. It all comes back to personal responsibility.

I see in the article it turns out Israel was combating organized terrorism and not crazy loonies just shooting up the schools.

My personal thought is that armed guards would help resolve the problem as well as armed teachers, but you'd have to be able to waive all liabilities.

As a crazy shooter, you are less likely to go shoot up a place where you know others will shoot back. You will be looking for fish in a barrel, not to walk into the heina's den.

And btw, MUQ, you keep posting a bunch of crap that you didn't write and your style sucks. Show some intelligence and offer up some original thoughts. No one is going to be upset about original thoughts, it's all the BS that you copy and paste. Look, Beans posted a nice link and people read it.
Ans.

Thanks for listing all the “options”, none of them are practical because of “Money” issue.

So why do you not solve the money issue and consider protecting your children as “one of highest priority”?

Such incidents do not happen in our schools, what is the reason?

There is nothing wrong in posting something which others wrote if the intention is correct.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#46232 Dec 27, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
1.

But we do follow Jesus.

We just don’t worship him, or consider him extraterrestrial. We follow Jesus because most of what he teaches was straight from the Jewish ethical teachings, now known as the Talmud.

If you actually understood what Savior was saying, neither the Jews NOR Savior has any interest in "ruling" over the world.

Why cant you understand that not everyone wants to be an imperialist?

2.

For one thing, Israel never had random school violence. Secondly, gun ownership is actually MORE restrictive there than here in the US.

I wouldnt expect you to know that, as you are too lazy to read the article.

3.
Ans.

1. If Jews had followed Jesus then that “scene at Sanhedrin” would not have taken place and not that 2000 years of hate and hatred between Jews and Christians.

Worship of Jesus started much later when Jews rejected him and Paul got Romans into his trap and follow his teachings. If majority of Jews had accepted Jesus, this situation would not have come.

2. Isreal is “much smaller” than most countries in the world, it is fighting a war of survival since its inception, so the people there are used to “another type” of violence.

You are right, I do not want to read the “propaganda items” that are major part of your media.
idgaf

Bedford, MA

#46233 Dec 27, 2012
MUQ wrote:
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Ans.
Thanks for listing all the “options”, none of them are practical because of “Money” issue.
So why do you not solve the money issue and consider protecting your children as “one of highest priority”?
Such incidents do not happen in our schools, what is the reason?
There is nothing wrong in posting something which others wrote if the intention is correct.
Thinking your schools and your teachings are about as useful as that hole in the head Beans is hoping for over your cut and paste.

I am not concerned for my kids as I have no little kids.

There is no good solution, like you have very little control over your terrorist mafia.

I'm thinking your comment wasn't crazy and horrible for once. Of course, people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks. How 'bout all those crazy suicide bombers?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#46234 Dec 28, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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Traditional Jews read it in the Hebrew without the translations. But you already know this - we have told you this 1000 times.
HughBe--- You have responded to my post below with your usual comic comments. Now can you truly respond in a non-comical way or a way that address my points.

Well why not produce a superior work to that of your rabbis?
Share your understanding of the role of translations generally and here I am speaking about the spoken and written words.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#46235 Dec 28, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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They dont. They just call their transation the complete Jewish bible. Its not the same as officially titled version that my posting referred to.
HughBe---Who are the Lubavitchers?
Why would they have Christians scriptures?

Frijoles---They dont. They just call their transation the complete Jewish bible.Its NOT the same as officially titled version that MY posting referred to

HughBe--- 1. Did you see MY first question? Answer it now.

2. I know that they don't have Christian scriptures and my question tells anyone with basic comprehension skills that. Eric made a "MISTAKE" notwithstanding I told him my source. Did it also miss you, dear?

3. So like Eric you were WRONG in an inexplicable way. Cut down on your desire to defend nonsense and INCREASE your desire to learn as well as your appetite for TRUTH.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#46236 Dec 28, 2012
Eric wrote:
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"and" collected (v'asafti)
because, that is what it says.
So, YOU are saying that the Chabad rabbis were WRONG with their use of the word "I". Thanks for that. Observation, they MUST be WRONG because they used "I" instead of "AND" and that is a massive difference. Thanks once again for highlighting the fact that the translations of your rabbis cannot be TRUSTED which is what you have now proven and it is what this is all about.

Having said this, the INABILITY of your rabbis to ACCURATELY translate basic words such as "AND" explains why I suggested to you that you produce a more accurate set of scriptures than those produced by your rabbis. Get it?

Now explain Zachariah 14:1-6 USING your "AND" in verse 2 plus IDENTIFY the speaker in verse 2.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#46237 Dec 28, 2012
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