Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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I enjoy seeing his silly replies.
But life will go on just fine.
Baiting is an art. And an amusement.
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former res wrote:
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That went totally over MY head!
But that's ok - it's way too late for me to become a biblical scholar.
His two lines of "evidence" he consistently uses to back up his world view that he is among the "true jews".

1. Bible - lots of examples how the Israelites screwed up and GOd punished them. Therefore the descendents of the Israelites (me) blew our chance to be the special ones.(the fallacy is that he ignores all the times the Israelites in the bible did good things as well)

2. Evolution of the Jewish religion. The Jewish religion is manmade (controlled by rabbis/overlords - the religion is practiced by liers) and does not follow the literal scriptures. Therefore todays Jews do not deserve to be the special ones.(Fallacy being that ALL religion is manmade, and that Jews dont follow the bible literally - i.e. his baseline data for what is Judaism is wrong).

Everything he says comes back to those two points.
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And finally....

Evidence 1 is easy for him to find and to follow - he posts biblical quotes

Evidence 2 is a bit problematic. Because to assert it, he has to demonize Jewish people, and in the process make himself sound really silly.

Since it is obvious that Jews are not controlled by overlords, nor do we go around lying all the time, this creates congnitive dissonance. It takes mental and emotional energy for him to ignore this dissonance. Hence, he flies off the handle when you push him too much.

His outbursts are basically like the 2nd law of thermodynamics, energy naturally flows from a Higher State (Hughe keeping a straight face while experiencing and repressing cognitive dissonance) to a Lower State (yelling at us).

Being a repressed gay person doesnt help either.
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Frijoles wrote:
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You get his basic argument, right?
That the only TRUE Jew is a Huggy type Christian?
Ok lets get into slightly more detail
The major difference between the replacement theologists and other evangelicists is that the replacement theoligists want to "replace" Jewish identity with Christian identity and still call it Jewish.
While the other Chirstians let Jews be as they are, and just proclaim themselves as Christians as the more evolved group.
Note Huggy rarely calls himself Christian. Rather he sees himself as the "one true Jew".
If you got that I can go into his two lines of "evidence".
It sounds as though one Christian group is only a little less insulting to Jews than the other.

I get that he likes to say Jews can believe in JC. He wants to redefine what it means to be Jewish.

And that Jews don't own Judaism.

(Though I'm still not clear on why he has a problem with the ethno relious thing - only that they existed before Judaisn hence it is not THEIR religion - right?) I feel my brain beginning to ache.
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Frijoles wrote:
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His two lines of "evidence" he consistently uses to back up his world view that he is among the "true jews".
1. Bible - lots of examples how the Israelites screwed up and GOd punished them. Therefore the descendents of the Israelites (me) blew our chance to be the special ones.(the fallacy is that he ignores all the times the Israelites in the bible did good things as well)
2. Evolution of the Jewish religion. The Jewish religion is manmade (controlled by rabbis/overlords - the religion is practiced by liers) and does not follow the literal scriptures. Therefore todays Jews do not deserve to be the special ones.(Fallacy being that ALL religion is manmade, and that Jews dont follow the bible literally - i.e. his baseline data for what is Judaism is wrong).
Everything he says comes back to those two points.
Ok - thanks.

so far so good.
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Frijoles wrote:
And finally....
Evidence 1 is easy for him to find and to follow - he posts biblical quotes
Evidence 2 is a bit problematic. Because to assert it, he has to demonize Jewish people, and in the process make himself sound really silly.
Since it is obvious that Jews are not controlled by overlords, nor do we go around lying all the time, this creates congnitive dissonance. It takes mental and emotional energy for him to ignore this dissonance. Hence, he flies off the handle when you push him too much.
His outbursts are basically like the 2nd law of thermodynamics, energy naturally flows from a Higher State (Hughe keeping a straight face while experiencing and repressing cognitive dissonance) to a Lower State (yelling at us).
Being a repressed gay person doesnt help either.
He sounds like a walking, talking mass of conflicting impulses.

Not an ideal way to go through life.
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Unbelievable.

Newtown CT.

Per CBS News, 12:29 P.M>

Elementary school rampage: 27 dead, at least 14 kids

Gunman opens fire in K-4 school in Conn., leaving dozens dead; Suspect dead
Frijoles

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former res wrote:
Unbelievable.
Newtown CT.
Per CBS News, 12:29 P.M>
Elementary school rampage: 27 dead, at least 14 kids
Gunman opens fire in K-4 school in Conn., leaving dozens dead; Suspect dead
yes, I am a little shocked to say the least.
I know the town well.
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former res wrote:
Unbelievable.
Newtown CT.
Per CBS News, 12:29 P.M>
Elementary school rampage: 27 dead, at least 14 kids
Gunman opens fire in K-4 school in Conn., leaving dozens dead; Suspect dead
Probably another mind control assassin.
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former res wrote:
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(Though I'm still not clear on why he has a problem with the ethno relious thing - only that they existed before Judaisn hence it is not THEIR religion - right?) I feel my brain beginning to ache.
I have tried three times to compose a post to explain his view and I keep coming up confused as well.

What i have noticed is that atheists are important to him because they show that Jews are really an ethnic group (i.e. Not all Jews are Jews) BUT at the same token he doesnt believe in ethnicity.

At times he tries to promote the idea of Christian Jews to show us Jews are not correct.

Ultimately, to him God gives Jews their identity (the cooties thing), not Rabinnical law of matriarchy. Therefore us Jews are not really Jews anymore because we follow Rabbis. Allowing him to step in. Pure (true Scott) Jews are ordained not created by man.

Thats the best I can offer on that subject.
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Unbelievable.
Newtown CT.
Per CBS News, 12:29 P.M>
Elementary school rampage: 27 dead, at least 14 kids
Gunman opens fire in K-4 school in Conn., leaving dozens dead; Suspect dead
2 shooters definitely a government job.
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voluntarist wrote:
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Probably another mind control assassin.
there was possibly more than one shooter
press conference within the hour
Frijoles

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voluntarist wrote:
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2 shooters definitely a government job.
thats low. even for you

chances are you know someone who knows someone there

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former res wrote:
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I enjoy seeing his silly replies.
But life will go on just fine.
Yes, they can be quite entertaining. But I can also imagine his reaction to that (I believe you already made this observation):

http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Frijoles wrote:
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thats low. even for you
chances are you know someone who knows someone there
No, just the mo of the government, just like columbine.

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Unbelievable.
Newtown CT.
Per CBS News, 12:29 P.M>
Elementary school rampage: 27 dead, at least 14 kids
Gunman opens fire in K-4 school in Conn., leaving dozens dead; Suspect dead
My cousin has kids in that school district. Luckily, they are okay.

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Frijoles wrote:
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thats low. even for you
chances are you know someone who knows someone there
Facts aren't even out yet but the conspiracy mill is churning away. ATF is seriously disturbed, and that is NOT a hyperbolic statement.
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Frijoles wrote:
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I have tried three times to compose a post to explain his view and I keep coming up confused as well.
What i have noticed is that atheists are important to him because they show that Jews are really an ethnic group (i.e. Not all Jews are Jews) BUT at the same token he doesnt believe in ethnicity.
At times he tries to promote the idea of Christian Jews to show us Jews are not correct.
Ultimately, to him God gives Jews their identity (the cooties thing), not Rabinnical law of matriarchy. Therefore us Jews are not really Jews anymore because we follow Rabbis. Allowing him to step in. Pure (true Scott) Jews are ordained not created by man.
Thats the best I can offer on that subject.
Perhaps as much clarity humanly possible to bring to this fellow's thinking.
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voluntarist wrote:
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2 shooters definitely a government job.
Did the Libertarinas rip out your heart when they gave you your decoder ring?
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Cult of Reason wrote:
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Yes, they can be quite entertaining. But I can also imagine his reaction to that (I believe you already made this observation):
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
I love that clip!

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