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Dec 13, 2012
 
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CONGRATULATIONS!
You have just DISCOVERED Jews who are ethnic Jews.
(now of course you could of saved lots of time had you read FR or my posts...)
Post 45284 Frijoles-- "Jews are am ETHNO-RELIGIOUS group "

Frijoles--Now, "Jews who are ethnic Jews"

HughBe--- The Jews in question HAVE religion it is just NOT Judaism. Get it?

Study it.
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#45395
Dec 13, 2012
 
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You know, posting the same post twice or even three times does not suddenly make the post all of the sudden relevant.
I shall not bother reposting my responses
Once more--what is genetics? Is it BIOLOGY ? What is the meaning of MIXTURE? Could it be the combination of two or more things
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You know, FR and I have explained this - we have posted links - we have explained this- we have posted links - we have provided examples - we have posted links that have provided examples - we have reexplained this
I think we (or I at least) are done
If you cant admit to grasping the concept, that is your PERSONAL issue. The rest of the world apparently has no problem with the concept.
Your BS has been exposed.
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Dec 13, 2012
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnoreligious_g...

Ethnoreligious communities define their ethnic identity neither exclusively by ancestral heritage nor simply by religious affiliation,

but often through a combination of

a long shared history;
a cultural tradition of its own;
either a common geographical origin, or descent from a small number of common ancestors;
a common language, not necessarily peculiar to the group;
a common literature peculiar to the group;
a common religion different from that of neighbouring groups;
being a minority or being an oppressed or a dominant group within a larger community.

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that pretty much sums it up
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Dec 13, 2012
 
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Post 45284 Frijoles-- "Jews are am ETHNO-RELIGIOUS group "
Frijoles--Now, "Jews who are ethnic Jews"
HughBe--- The Jews in question HAVE religion it is just NOT Judaism. Get it?
Study it.
Thats not the question we are discussing. The question IS what makes these people Jewish?

Answer: Posted in above post

Even A Bhuddist Jew is a Jew IF they still retain some of those traits from the list - ethnicity being the most difficult to loose of course (Cant change who your parents are)
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Dec 13, 2012
 
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BTW, not that I ever expect you to grassp subtlety, especially since you apparently are incapable of grasping even the fundamentals, but the term often used for those type of JEWS is BuJew or Buju or Jubu or Jewbu .
Note the "Jew" part of the term
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Buddhist
Jewish Buddhist
A Jewish Buddhist (also Jewbu or Jubu or Buju) is a person with a Jewish background who practices forms of Buddhist meditation and spirituality. The term Jubu was first brought into wide circulation with the publication of The Jew in the Lotus (1994) by Rodger Kamenetz.
In some cases, the term can refer to individuals who practice both traditions; in other cases, "Jewish" IS NO MORE THAN AN ETHNIC DESIGNATION where the person's main religious practice is Buddhism.
In yet other cases, a Jubu is simply a Jew with an interest in Buddhism. A large demographic of Jewish Buddhists, constituting its majority, still maintain religious practices and beliefs in Judaism coupled with Buddhist practices and perhaps beliefs.
(emphasis added by me)
see also
http://didjewknow.blogspot.com/2007/10/i-was-...
BuJew - There are more Jewish Buddhist in the West than any other Religion
Bujew
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php...
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Dont waste your time sparring with me on this subject - I have 20 years of personal experience on this subject as well
Yet yesterday or very recently YOU said "I am NOT aware of any OTHER religion EXCEPT Judaism that Jews practice. "

Why the LIE? Why the deception? YOU knew very well that you were LYING.

In essence your OTHER lie that Jews are an ethnoreligious group is the construct of Satan.
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Dec 13, 2012
 
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Once more--what is genetics? Is it BIOLOGY ? What is the meaning of MIXTURE? Could it be the combination of two or more things
I think the more valid construct in this case is what is intelligence?

Does posting the same irrelevant post make someone MORE intelligent or LESS intelligent?
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Your BS has been exposed.
exposed by who?
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Frijoles wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E thnoreligious_group
Ethnoreligious communities define their ethnic identity neither exclusively by ancestral heritage nor simply by religious affiliation,
but often through a combination of
a long shared history;
a cultural tradition of its own;
either a common geographical origin, or descent from a small number of common ancestors;
a common language, not necessarily peculiar to the group;
a common literature peculiar to the group;
a common religion different from that of neighbouring groups;
being a minority or being an oppressed or a dominant group within a larger community.
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that pretty much sums it up
Instead of posting things that you don't understand spend your time studying my posts. Start with the one below.

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Frijoles, the Jew, said-- I am not aware of any OTHER religion except Judaism that Jews practice.

HughBe--Let me teach him about Jews and American Jews in particular. The Jews in my quote are called American a term that is not applicable to Frijoles plus they live in the coutry of his birth and where he lives YET he does NOT know of ANY other religions of Jews.

This is what I speak of, DECEPTION and LIES of his religion Judaism.

The quote says that JEWS are flocking EASTERN religions? YES. Read the quote below. They are JEWS and they do NOT practice JUDAISM instead they practice Eastern RELIGIONS.

Quote is taken from My Jewish Learning.

"In the last several decades, countless Westerners have turned to Eastern religions for inspiration and spirituality. JEWS have been no different. Many American JEWS flocked to Eastern religions as part of the hippy counter-culture of the 1960s and 1970s, and today, India and Thailand are havens for Israelis seeking to explore other cultures and religions"
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HughBe wrote:
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Yet yesterday or very recently YOU said "I am NOT aware of any OTHER religion EXCEPT Judaism that Jews practice. "
Why the LIE? Why the deception? YOU knew very well that you were LYING.
In essence your OTHER lie that Jews are an ethnoreligious group is the construct of Satan.
Why the invective?

What does Satan have to do with it? We are trying to be logical here.

As far as the "I am NOT aware of any OTHER religion EXCEPT Judaism that Jews practice. " obviously sarcasm is not one of your strongest pursuits. If you recollect, you have stated often that there is such thing as "Christian Jews". That was in response to that.

It is nearly impossible,(in fact it IS impossible) to discuss subtlety with you. If it wasnt, perhaps we could go into a deeper discussion on how a Jewish Bhuddist (or Hindu or etc etc...)is usually really more Jewish in religion than Bhuddist, but frankly, considering what I have to work with (YOU!) that would be a waste of time.
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Quote is taken from My Jewish Learning.
"In the last several decades, countless Westerners have turned to Eastern religions for inspiration and spirituality. JEWS have been no different. Many American JEWS flocked to Eastern religions as part of the hippy counter-culture of the 1960s and 1970s, and today, India and Thailand are havens for Israelis seeking to explore other cultures and religions"
yes, i have addressed that already. These are ethnic Jews who (see above) arguably can often still retain many aspects of their jewish religion even When they practice eastern religion, or maybe not if they never had the fundamentals of the Jewish religion in the first place.

Hence the TERM JUBU
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Thats not the question we are discussing. The question IS what makes these people Jewish?
Answer: Posted in above post
Even A Bhuddist Jew is a Jew IF they still retain some of those traits from the list - ethnicity being the most difficult to loose of course (Cant change who your parents are)
Frijoles---Thats not the question we are discussing. The question IS what makes these people Jewish?

HughBe--- YOU are confused, my son. YOU said "Jews are am ETHNO-RELIGIOUS group " and that is a QUOTE. Now explain your words.

My point is that they are NOT and that Jews had a Jewish IDENTITY before they Got "Judaism". They had a Jewish IDENTITY when God made a covenant with them.

History is on my side while stupidity is on your side and of course self-deception.
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Dec 13, 2012
 

Judged:

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Frankly the only chance you have on this subject - would be to revert back to your make believe personal vocab (judaites, overlord, etc).

At least in that case SOMEONE will agree with you.
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Frijoles---Thats not the question we are discussing. The question IS what makes these people Jewish?
HughBe--- YOU are confused, my son. YOU said "Jews are am ETHNO-RELIGIOUS group " and that is a QUOTE. Now explain your words.
My point is that they are NOT and that Jews had a Jewish IDENTITY before they Got "Judaism". They had a Jewish IDENTITY when God made a covenant with them.
History is on my side while stupidity is on your side and of course self-deception.
They had a Jewish IDENTITY when God made a covenant with them.

How does that CONFLICT with anything that was posted on the definition?
Common history, ancestry, language, book, religion, land, etc etc
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Why the invective?
What does Satan have to do with it? We are trying to be logical here.
As far as the "I am NOT aware of any OTHER religion EXCEPT Judaism that Jews practice. " obviously sarcasm is not one of your strongest pursuits. If you recollect, you have stated often that there is such thing as "Christian Jews". That was in response to that.
It is nearly impossible,(in fact it IS impossible) to discuss subtlety with you. If it wasnt, perhaps we could go into a deeper discussion on how a Jewish Bhuddist (or Hindu or etc etc...)is usually really more Jewish in religion than Bhuddist, but frankly, considering what I have to work with (YOU!) that would be a waste of time.
1.LIES are from Satan.

2.Yet yesterday or very recently YOU said "I am NOT aware of any OTHER religion EXCEPT Judaism that Jews practice. "

Why the LIE? Why the deception? YOU knew very well that you were LYING.

In essence your OTHER lie that Jews are an ethnoreligious group is the construct of Satan.

3. Deception is of Satan, recall Adam and Eve? You are deceiving your own self. I shall repeat my posts from here on. You shall not drag me off from my focus.
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Why the invective?
What does Satan have to do with it? We are trying to be logical here.
As far as the "I am NOT aware of any OTHER religion EXCEPT Judaism that Jews practice. " obviously sarcasm is not one of your strongest pursuits. If you recollect, you have stated often that there is such thing as "Christian Jews". That was in response to that.
It is nearly impossible,(in fact it IS impossible) to discuss subtlety with you. If it wasnt, perhaps we could go into a deeper discussion on how a Jewish Bhuddist (or Hindu or etc etc...)is usually really more Jewish in religion than Bhuddist, but frankly, considering what I have to work with (YOU!) that would be a waste of time.
Frijoles---obviously sarcasm

HughBe---Self-deceiving fool there is no sarcasm in your words below. Read the context again. I tell you this only your rabbis would agree with your words about sarcasm. Why? birds of a feather F together.

Frijoles---I just posted a bunch of links that said that race was a sucky concept. What you are getting it is really a degree of ethnicity.
I have to admit rarely do I encounter someone so dense.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_group
An ethnic group is a group of people whose members are identified through a common trait. This can, but does not have to, include an idea of common heritage, a common culture, a shared language or dialect.[1] The group's ethos or ideology may also stress common ancestry and religion, as opposed to an ethnic minority group which refers to race.[2][3][4][5] The process that results in the emergence of an ethnicity is called ethnogenesis. Some ethnic groups are marked by little more than a common name.

Frijoles--Jews are am ETHNO-RELIGIOUS group - see above

HughBe--- In the given context, explain ethno-religious.
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Dec 13, 2012
 
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They had a Jewish IDENTITY when God made a covenant with them.
How does that CONFLICT with anything that was posted on the definition?
Common history, ancestry, language, book, religion, land, etc etc
Let me explain it to you but first let me thank you for learning something that is TRUE.

What it means is that their Jewish IDENTITY is not a function of RELIGION be it Judaism or otherwise. Their IDENTITY had to do with SEED or BIOLOGY or DNA. Get it ?

Here is more help for you and your rabbis. "And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land" Genesis 12:7.

Note no JUDAISM is involved. His name was still Abram. Do you really understand the points?

Study it.
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Dec 13, 2012
 
have to go
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My point, Jews had a Jewish IDENTITY before they got "Judaism". They had a Jewish IDENTITY when God made a covenant with them.
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HughBe--- In other words YOU are unable to reconcile atheists Jews with your FOOLISH idea that Jews are an ethnoreligious group.
I just did.

They are indeed ethnoreligious.

However they can leave the religion.

But they cannot change their DNA, so the enthno part sticks.

I will always have Irish DNA regardless of what god I worship, or fail to.

YOu dig?
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Now, do you really understand your words? Do you understand that I am and have been saying that being Jewish is NOT a ethnoreligious matter?
I fully understant that you are confused.

But I don't know why or how.
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You have just said the same thing without understanding it. List the elements of ethnicity and apply them to atheists Jews in the US.
I was born Irish-Catholic.

I am no longer Catholic but I will ALWAYS be have Irish DNA.

The only reason Jews are referred to as ethnoreligious is because the one name and concept refers to both their ethnicity AND their religion.

You dig?

Good.

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