Messianic Jews say they are persecute...

Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Safety pins and screws are still lodged in 15-year-old Ami Ortiz's body three months after he opened a booby-trapped gift basket sent to his family.

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HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#44406 Nov 29, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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we already covered all of that. Re: race, ethnoreligious group, yada yada yafa
you might need an enema
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genetics trump all
Thats why you are probably more related to the native-Americans than the Huns and Goths whose religion you aquiesced to.
we have covered it but have NOT understood it, in part because of stupidity and in part because the words of your masters are more valuable to you than those of God.

FACT---God called JEWS Jews when they did NOT worship Him.

I have outlined and PROVEN my point. ONLY a total ASS/ a DECEIVED person don't get it.

enough
Voluntarist

United States

#44407 Nov 29, 2012
former res wrote:
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What evidence of gov't would you accept?
There is nothing in physical existence is there ?
Voluntarist

United States

#44408 Nov 29, 2012
former res wrote:
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Anyone who wants to impose their beliefs on me in anyway whatsoever.
Not interested in having my beliefs imposed on you, you are a nutty bill maher fan.
Voluntarist

United States

#44409 Nov 29, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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Did they find water on your planet yet?
Yes and they also spotted your fat ass through a telescope.
Frijoles

Madison, CT

#44411 Nov 29, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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we have covered it but have NOT understood it, in part because of stupidity and in part because the words of your masters are more valuable to you than those of God.
FACT---God called JEWS Jews when they did NOT worship Him.
I have outlined and PROVEN my point. ONLY a total ASS/ a DECEIVED person don't get it.
enough
Relax.

Get a boyfriend.
Frijoles

Madison, CT

#44412 Nov 29, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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What is genealogy about? Is it about religion?
Why are DNA tests being done on various persons? Is it about religion?
What do Jews mean when they speak about the patriarchs Abraham etc.?
Look here Frijoles, switch to a topic that you are more competent in. Try your favourie one. You are at sea in the current discussion and apart from self-deception you are having conceptual challenges.
Now you are just rambling.

Let us know when you have something to say.
Eric

Aurora, IL

#44419 Nov 29, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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Let me explain it to you, Eric. YOU have the AUDACITY to deny that your sister is a JEW. That is the EVIL because it is a LIE and it originated with Satan.
It is a reality that she embraces Jesus, the Jew, as her Messiah but this does NOT take away from her IDENTITY which is INDEPENDENT of any COVENANT or laws of God. See my many previous posts on the matter.
Do you understand the FACT that God made a covenant with a people called JEWS and so these people must have had a JEWISH IDENTITY? Hopefully it is NOW clear to you that the covenant did not give them the Jewish IDENTITY?
Why are new things such a challenge for you to learn?
Your sister can TRUTHFULLY say that she is descended from the seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and so on and that is BIOLOGY which YOU cannot change. The truth is GOD does not deny her of her Jewish IDENTITY so who the material are YOU?
Do you only have DUNCES and decivers for teachers/rabbis?
I ask you again, have you discussed this with her. I have. What is her opinion. Isn't her opinion the most important?
former res

Newtown Square, PA

#44437 Nov 29, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
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There is nothing in physical existence is there ?
What do you consider physical?

People, places and things?

They certainly exist.

Many idealists would say our gov't mainly exists as an idea, a way of life, a set of values.

What does it mean to you?
former res

Newtown Square, PA

#44438 Nov 29, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
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Not interested in having my beliefs imposed on you, you are a nutty bill maher fan.
Ahh, but you do.

You want me to help pay for platfoms from which to display your nativity scenes.

I don't wish to participate.

Yes, I do enjoy and appreciate Bill Maher, Jon Stewart and Colbert. Also watch "The Soup" on E! Funny stuff.
Voluntarist

United States

#44439 Nov 29, 2012
former res wrote:
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What do you consider physical?
People, places and things?
They certainly exist.
Many idealists would say our gov't mainly exists as an idea, a way of life, a set of values.
What does it mean to you?
So government is an idea, a way of life. Something you believe in you certainly believe in the political process, but it doesn't exist beyond an idea, so how is that any different than believing in God and/or the Bible?
Voluntarist

United States

#44440 Nov 29, 2012
former res wrote:
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Ahh, but you do.
You want me to help pay for platfoms from which to display your nativity scenes.
I don't wish to participate.
Yes, I do enjoy and appreciate Bill Maher, Jon Stewart and Colbert. Also watch "The Soup" on E! Funny stuff.
I'm not asking you to pay for anything and I am the last Guy to build a nativity scene, so should Halloween be removed from the school?
Frijoles

Madison, CT

#44442 Nov 30, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
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I'm not asking you to pay for anything and I am the last Guy to build a nativity scene, so should Halloween be removed from the school?
You dont have kids, do you? It already has been removed in many schools. The born again Christians stirred up such a fuss that a lot of schools just dont want to deal.
Frijoles

Madison, CT

#44443 Nov 30, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
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So government is an idea, a way of life. Something you believe in you certainly believe in the political process, but it doesn't exist beyond an idea, so how is that any different than believing in God and/or the Bible?
When Hughbe has sex with his donkey, he might feel guilty the next morning when he does the walk of shame from the paddock back to his house, but the actual "spiritual" consequences are impossible to verify.

But if you dont pay your taxes, or forget to shovel your front sidewalk after a snow storm, or forget to return your library book, then the potential consequences are real.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#44444 Nov 30, 2012
Eric wrote:
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I ask you again, have you discussed this with her. I have. What is her opinion. Isn't her opinion the most important?
1.Are you really saying that your sister is denying that she is a Jew?

2. FACTS are far more important than a person's PERSONAL opinion. For example, you may hold the view that you are tall when the FACT is you are SHORT. The TRUTH is what counts and not YOUR personal opinion.

3. The ONLY opinion that matters is that of God and He calls her a JEW. He God made a covenant with her JEWISH forefathers and gave THEM the law. Do you understand that God gave the law to a people called JEWS? This means that their Jewish IDENTITY is NOT related to the law.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#44445 Nov 30, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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Now you are just rambling.
Let us know when you have something to say.
I understand your comment but my RAMBLING questions remain.

What is genealogy about? Is it about religion?

Why are DNA tests being done on various persons? Is it about religion?

What do Jews mean when they speak about the patriarchs Abraham etc.?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#44446 Nov 30, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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Relax.
Get a boyfriend.
I take that as an offer but no thanks, I love the cat.
Frijoles

Madison, CT

#44447 Nov 30, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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I understand your comment but my RAMBLING questions remain.
What is genealogy about? Is it about religion?
Why are DNA tests being done on various persons? Is it about religion?
What do Jews mean when they speak about the patriarchs Abraham etc.?
I called it rambling because your questions are unrelated to any conversation we were happening, or more to the point, unrelated to the notion of conversation in general.
Frijoles

Madison, CT

#44448 Nov 30, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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I take that as an offer but no thanks, I love the cat.
Is it love or just a fling?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-DOWzZEz9HAA/T5GduGi...
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#44449 Nov 30, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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When Hughbe has sex with his donkey, he might feel guilty the next morning when he does the walk of shame from the paddock back to his house, but the actual "spiritual" consequences are impossible to verify.
But if you dont pay your taxes, or forget to shovel your front sidewalk after a snow storm, or forget to return your library book, then the potential consequences are real.
Frijoles---When Hughbe has sex with his donkey

HughBe--- I shall speak FACTUALLY and not in a joking manner. YOU and your rabbis are FAR closer to having sex with donkeys than I am.

WHY?

I CLEAVE to the commandments of God and I don't seek to TWIST and justify perverted sexual practices. Both you and a significant number of your rabbis JUSTFY homosexuality. I believe ALL of them teach that there is no command against lesbianism.

Based on these FACTS both of YOU are far closer to screwing donkeys than I am. In fact I am not even close.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#44450 Nov 30, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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I called it rambling because your questions are unrelated to any conversation we were happening, or more to the point, unrelated to the notion of conversation in general.
They are central to my conversation with you but I understand that your lack of capacity is the challenge that you are having.

Prove that they are unrelated to ANY conversation that we are having.

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