Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Voluntarist

United States

#44378 Nov 29, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Strike as non-responsive.
Kindly answer the question as presented to you. Do you agree or disagree with the premise of the 1st amendment?
The first amendment is irrelevant to the argument you have put forth, have you put your own scene on the town green? What is stopping you?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#44379 Nov 29, 2012
FACT, God made a covenant with a people called JEWS and so these people must have had a JEWISH IDENTITY. This is basic logic and common sense.

In essence the IDENTITY is independent of the covenant which was entered into when they were ALREADY JEWS?

Ask yourselves this rocket science question, is it possible for you or God to make a covenant with the JEWS if they did not exists?
Voluntarist

United States

#44380 Nov 29, 2012
former res wrote:
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Do you "believe in" gravity?
I am asking for facts that government exists.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#44381 Nov 29, 2012
my tough head friends, later. You exhaust me with your sheer stupidity.

much love,

sweet Hugh

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#44382 Nov 29, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
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The first amendment is irrelevant to the argument you have put forth, have you put your own scene on the town green? What is stopping you?
Strike as non-responsive.

Do you agree or disagree with the premise of the first amendment?
Voluntarist

United States

#44383 Nov 29, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
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We're talking about the US Constitution, but you knew that. Now take your ADD medicine and stop trying to change the topic.
Do you agree or disagree with the premise of the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution?
That Constitution drafted by a bunch of white Christian slave owners?
Voluntarist

United States

#44384 Nov 29, 2012
former res wrote:
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yeah will have to check the moon phase
huggy quotes god to me and tells me i'm in a make believe world
yikes!
Don't you believe in government? What's the difference?
Voluntarist

United States

#44385 Nov 29, 2012
former res wrote:
You have been missed, Frijoles.
Thankfully, for your sake, you no doubt had something more important and more rewarding to do!
:))
I'm ill-equipped, but did my best.
ps..who knew ATF was a religious nut?? CoR was on that one.
Define religious nut

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#44386 Nov 29, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
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That Constitution drafted by a bunch of white Christian slave owners?
Strike as non-responsive.

Do you agree or disagree with the premise of the first amendment?

Stop being a child and answer the question with a straight forward yes or no.
former res

Newtown Square, PA

#44387 Nov 29, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
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Don't you believe in government? What's the difference?
What evidence of gov't would you accept?
former res

Newtown Square, PA

#44388 Nov 29, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
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Define religious nut
Anyone who wants to impose their beliefs on me in anyway whatsoever.
Frijoles

Madison, CT

#44389 Nov 29, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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She is a Christian and that is a fact. Another fact, she is a JEW.
When your converts leave your religion they are no longer "honorary Jews".
However, when Eric's sister tells you and your rabbis to kiss something she REMAINS a JEW.
ACtually we have not established that. For all you know, Eric could be the convert to Judaism, and his sister could of been born a Christian as well.

Bottom line, ask 99% of all Christians or Jews what you call someone who worships jesus, and guess what? They call that person a _____.
Frijoles

Madison, CT

#44390 Nov 29, 2012
HughBe wrote:
FACT, God made a covenant with a people called JEWS and so these people must have had a JEWISH IDENTITY. This is basic logic and common sense.
In essence the IDENTITY is independent of the covenant which was entered into when they were ALREADY JEWS?
Ask yourselves this rocket science question, is it possible for you or God to make a covenant with the JEWS if they did not exists?
You are very tiring.

We have explained this already. Please develop new material.
Voluntarist

United States

#44391 Nov 29, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Strike as non-responsive.
Do you agree or disagree with the premise of the first amendment?
Stop being a child and answer the question with a straight forward yes or no.
I couldn't agree with the premise that Congress shall make no law when I don't believe in Congress, another fiction, that would be disingenuous.

Last time I checked, children are famous for calling names are you guilty of acting like a child?

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#44392 Nov 29, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
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I couldn't agree with the premise that Congress shall make no law when I don't believe in Congress, another fiction, that would be disingenuous.
Last time I checked, children are famous for calling names are you guilty of acting like a child?
The last time mankind had no government, I believe they were still living in caves. Thanks for reminding us how much on the fringe you are. I was wrong to call you a child. Even children have some common sense.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#44394 Nov 29, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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ACtually we have not established that. For all you know, Eric could be the convert to Judaism, and his sister could of been born a Christian as well.
Bottom line, ask 99% of all Christians or Jews what you call someone who worships jesus, and guess what? They call that person a _____.
Frijoles---ask 99% of all Christians or Jews what you call someone who worships jesus, and guess what? They call that person a _____.

HughBe--- well dear, let me fill in the blank for you it is, Christian. Also not ALL Christians worship Jesus.

Now, how does that change the RACE of a person? are all Christians of the same RACE, Einstein? Jews are are RACE. That is why DNA tests are done on some African tribes and others to know if they have JEWISH blood. The tests are not done to determine RELIGION.

The emphansis by JEWS on descent meaning who descended from Abraham et.al is ALL about RACE you MORON. It has NOTHING to do with RELIGION.

Recall that just recently Eric, the Jew, said that the patriarchs ONLY observed the 7 Noahide principles. In other words they lived like Gentiles in religion. So what the heck are you talking about ?

The link to the Patriarchs is therefore RACIAL and NOT religious.

GO study it.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#44395 Nov 29, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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You are very tiring.
We have explained this already. Please develop new material.
You are self-deceiving. Leave your man-made misguided religion and embrace the WAY of the Lord.

When the Jewish encyclopedia spoke about the RACIAL origins of Jews and about the shape of their noses etc what does it mean?

Is it talking about JUDAISM?
Bernie Madoff

Raleigh, NC

#44397 Nov 29, 2012
Kikeadoodledoo!
Frijoles

Madison, CT

#44398 Nov 29, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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You are self-deceiving. Leave your man-made misguided religion and embrace the WAY of the Lord.?
What does LORD have to with it? That word is not in my scripture either. Doth we live in a kingdom with knights?
HughBe wrote:
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When the Jewish encyclopedia spoke about the RACIAL origins of Jews and about the shape of their noses etc what does it mean?
Is it talking about JUDAISM?
I think they were talking about the genetic origins. If they used the term race it was a poor choice, or an outdated choice, of words. They should repent.

Should we worship the Jewish encylopedia?

Encyclopedias are so last century. Do you read Readers Digest too?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#44399 Nov 29, 2012
1.Judaism is basically IDOLATRY where the rabbis are esteemed or elevated ABOVE God and so their words are MORE important than the words of God.

PROOF from My Jewish Learning.
"The Talmud OUTSTRIPS even the Bible in influence and importance. Explicating and building upon the Torah's laws, stories, and ideas, the Talmud also lay the groundwork for new religious sensibilities that stressed scholarship and were attuned to the needs of the Jews in the Diaspora."

2.Fact God calls Israel Israel throughout their rejection of Him but men/rabbis for their own GAIN seek to MONOPOLIZE and DOMINATE the lives of the Jewish people. The rabbis overrule the words of God and they also DISOBEY His commandments e.g. DON'T ADD to what has been commanded. They LIE, as is their manner, and fabricate ORAL laws.

Listen to what YOUR bible says. Joshua 8:35 "There was NOT A word of ALL that Moses commanded, which Joshua READ NOT before all the congregation of Israel"

Do you understand ALL and NOT A WORD? It means that he read ALL Moses that commanded. If this is TRUE then there are no ORAL laws. It is a LIE to deceive and CONTROL.

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