Messianic Jews say they are persecute...

Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Frijoles

Litchfield, CT

#44229 Nov 28, 2012
I forgive you, my son.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#44230 Nov 28, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree with that.
The only problem is that the population size of potential adherents that appear "to know" this appears to be ONE.
(and it ain't me)
Couldn't be you. It is my connection.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#44231 Nov 28, 2012
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm sorry - I didn't catch the name of your religion?
Whatever it is, it seems to one the many wrong religions.
I rest my case. You are an idiot.
Former---You are an idiot

HughBe---So, we complement each other as you are a she-diot.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#44232 Nov 28, 2012
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
What makes you think the "scribe" was divinely inspired?
Is it just a warm feeling on you insides?
It could just be the Christmas spirit starting early.
Bless you, my son.
Bless you, my dear.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#44233 Nov 28, 2012
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
Well...I know enough to know that Jews don't believe in Christ you dumb fxck!
:))
You "dumbER fxck" ask Eric's sister or Eric about that, both are JEWS.

If your "pencil" is as hard as your skull you shall NEVER need viagra.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#44234 Nov 28, 2012
former res wrote:
Please excuse my language.
This gay Jamaican is quite maddenng.
Correction, I am happy while YOU are GAY.

Get it?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#44235 Nov 28, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
I forgive you, my son.
Forgive those who have wronged you and not me. Forgive those who have LIED to you and have DECEIVED you and then ejaculate them out of your system.

You know who they are yes they are those sons of ..........
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#44236 Nov 28, 2012
where are my boys?

Former, where are you?

Frijoles, where are you?

Eric, where are you?

I shall not be staying long so come out to play, now.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#44237 Nov 28, 2012
bye boys
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#44255 Nov 28, 2012
Lecture 8 practice Based on the Teachings of Prophet Mohammad

Part-52

Pure Monotheism of Islam:

Through this shortest of surahs of the holy Quran emerges the purest and clearest concept of the Oneness of God. It leaves absolutely no chance for any form of polytheism to mar the Islamic Faith, based on the Oneness of Allah.

However, this does not mean that Prophet Muhammad’s Message has in any way weakened the bond that exists between the Most Merciful, Most Beneficent, and the Most Loving God and His servants. It has established the proper link between man and God. It has only removed the idolatry forms and physical likenesses which were the hurdles between man and God.

Man’s relation with Allah is a much purer, stronger, and higher relation than any he has known in this worldly life. Compared to it the relations between man and wife, or a father and son, or a daughter and mother are much inferior. Moreover, such similitude or metaphors lead to an error in interpretation and consequently to polytheism and doubt.

Therefore Islam says:

…Recite the name of Allah, as you would speak of your forefathers or even with greater fervor…(Chp.2:Vrs.200)

In this verse the likeness of the believers’ love for Allah to that of their love to their fathers is mentioned, and the likeness of a son’s relation with his father is avoided to explain his relation with Allah, which is on a more sublime level. No physical relationship can ever explain the bond between man and Allah.

The holy Quran goes on to say that one’s love for Allah should be greater than their love for their father:

…But those who believe are most firm in their love for Allah…(Chp.2; Vrs. 165)

Father versus Cherisher:

This means that true believers reserve their greatest love for Allah. The holy Quran does not call Allah “the father of the worlds” it rather uses the Arabic words which are best translated as “The Cherisher and the Sustainer of the worlds.”

A father’s relation with a son is temporary whereas Allah’s relation with His servants is sublime and eternal. Some Quranic words that are used to denote Allah’s Love for His servants may be translated as a father’s love for a son while others mean a mother’s love and affection for her children. But Allah is neither a father nor a mother. He is Sublime, beyond the scope of these similitudes and physical likenesses. No worldly relationship can ever adequately explain the bond that exists between Allah and His servants.

(Contd.)
Eric

Sugar Grove, IL

#44265 Nov 29, 2012
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
You "dumbER fxck" ask Eric's sister or Eric about that, both are JEWS.
If your "pencil" is as hard as your skull you shall NEVER need viagra.
No she isn't. She's a Christian.
Frijoles

Litchfield, CT

#44266 Nov 29, 2012
Chuckle.
Frijoles

Litchfield, CT

#44267 Nov 29, 2012
HughBe wrote:
where are my boys?
Former, where are you?
Frijoles, where are you?
Eric, where are you?
I shall not be staying long so come out to play, now.
Sorry. We were busy elsewhere.

There are escort services for people who have needs like yours. They tell me that that you may be in luck, men are generally cheaper.
Eric

Sugar Grove, IL

#44268 Nov 29, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
Chuckle.
You notice that he didn't ask HER.
former res

Broomall, PA

#44269 Nov 29, 2012
HughBe wrote:
where are my boys?
Former, where are you?
Frijoles, where are you
Eric, where are you?
I shall not be staying long so come out to play, now.
Guess that explains why your responses are so juvenile and comical.

You're only "playing."

Only a playful child-like mind would suggest the Jews believe in Christ, that up is down, or night is day.

We'll all keep in mind that you're only "playing" here.

We suspected so all along.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#44270 Nov 29, 2012
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
Guess that explains why your responses are so juvenile and comical.
You're only "playing."
Only a playful child-like mind would suggest the Jews believe in Christ, that up is down, or night is day.
We'll all keep in mind that you're only "playing" here.
We suspected so all along.
I've been staying out of the fray because it's difficult to take Huggy seriously given his child-like behavior and logic.

But, not to be outdone, we now have Bill O'Reily going on TV and claiming that christianity is a philosophy, not a religion, and so not subject to 1st amendment governmental neutrality.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/...

Fox's "War on Christmas" is moving ahead full force. Guess the Benghazi thing is wearing thin.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#44271 Nov 29, 2012
MUQ wrote:
Lecture 8 practice Based on the Teachings of Prophet Mohammad
Part-52
Pure Monotheism of Islam:
Through this shortest of surahs of the holy Quran emerges the purest and clearest concept of the Oneness of God. It leaves absolutely no chance for any form of polytheism to mar the Islamic Faith, based on the Oneness of Allah.
However, this does not mean that Prophet Muhammad’s Message has in any way weakened the bond that exists between the Most Merciful, Most Beneficent, and the Most Loving God and His servants. It has established the proper link between man and God. It has only removed the idolatry forms and physical likenesses which were the hurdles between man and God.
Man’s relation with Allah is a much purer, stronger, and higher relation than any he has known in this worldly life. Compared to it the relations between man and wife, or a father and son, or a daughter and mother are much inferior. Moreover, such similitude or metaphors lead to an error in interpretation and consequently to polytheism and doubt.
Therefore Islam says:
…Recite the name of Allah, as you would speak of your forefathers or even with greater fervor…(Chp.2:Vrs.200)
In this verse the likeness of the believers’ love for Allah to that of their love to their fathers is mentioned, and the likeness of a son’s relation with his father is avoided to explain his relation with Allah, which is on a more sublime level. No physical relationship can ever explain the bond between man and Allah.
The holy Quran goes on to say that one’s love for Allah should be greater than their love for their father:
…But those who believe are most firm in their love for Allah…(Chp.2; Vrs. 165)
Father versus Cherisher:
This means that true believers reserve their greatest love for Allah. The holy Quran does not call Allah “the father of the worlds” it rather uses the Arabic words which are best translated as “The Cherisher and the Sustainer of the worlds.”
A father’s relation with a son is temporary whereas Allah’s relation with His servants is sublime and eternal. Some Quranic words that are used to denote Allah’s Love for His servants may be translated as a father’s love for a son while others mean a mother’s love and affection for her children. But Allah is neither a father nor a mother. He is Sublime, beyond the scope of these similitudes and physical likenesses. No worldly relationship can ever adequately explain the bond that exists between Allah and His servants.
(Contd.)
rabbee: there are far too many, religious divisions in this world. for any of you, to truly lay claim to monotheism, more of less TheMonothiesm.

and if you were not expecting, me and your grandmother here in TheTorah again. then what other g-d/s, are you actually worshiping?
former res

Broomall, PA

#44272 Nov 29, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
I've been staying out of the fray because it's difficult to take Huggy seriously given his child-like behavior and logic.
But, not to be outdone, we now have Bill O'Reily going on TV and claiming that christianity is a philosophy, not a religion, and so not subject to 1st amendment governmental neutrality.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/...
Fox's "War on Christmas" is moving ahead full force. Guess the Benghazi thing is wearing thin.
Speaking of child-like, O'Reilly reminds me of a little kid not getting his way and yelling, "I hate you!" to his Mommy for daring to go up against him.

He'll throw his own religion under the bus in an attempt to make it ok for the gov't to sanction and promote it.

These are the guys usually waving the Constitution in your face.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..."
Voluntarist

United States

#44273 Nov 29, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
I've been staying out of the fray because it's difficult to take Huggy seriously given his child-like behavior and logic.
But, not to be outdone, we now have Bill O'Reily going on TV and claiming that christianity is a philosophy, not a religion, and so not subject to 1st amendment governmental neutrality.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/...
Fox's "War on Christmas" is moving ahead full force. Guess the Benghazi thing is wearing thin.
That is a great idea why don't atheists set up their own displays?

What is wrong with a group of tax payers setting up a nativity scene on the town green?

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#44275 Nov 29, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
That is a great idea why don't atheists set up their own displays?
What is wrong with a group of tax payers setting up a nativity scene on the town green?
There is nothing inherently wrong with a group of tax payers setting up a nativity scene on the town green as long as other groups have the same right to do it. Your straw man is not what atheist groups are fighting against.

The issue arises with towns that only allow christian displays(and possibly Jewish), but no others. That is inherently illegal as it shows preference being given to some religions/beliefs and not others, clearly against the establishment cause of the 1st amendment.

The atheist position that satisfies the establishment cause is either (1) equal access to all or (2) no access to anyone. I prefer option 1. Which do you prefer?

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