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Frijoles

Cromwell, CT

#42978 Nov 7, 2012
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
I'd stiil like to see Obama bag FL - not to spike the ball.
But 29 electoral votes - I want them!
:)
I dont care as much. Its a hollow victory if it is only 50.1% to 49.9%

The real question is whether this loss will cause the repubs double down on their ideology or reform.
Frijoles

Cromwell, CT

#42979 Nov 7, 2012
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
That must me be the $100 million figure I heard - both added together.
Her is supposedly worth around a billion, so they still have even more $ than Romney.
/
Who would ever think that there is more money in wrestling than in corporate raiding? Ode to the working class...

BTW its kind of shocking that the parties up to now have not employed statisticians who know how to run models. That will change. I should of stuck with my stat courses!(I fled after two semesters).
former res

Newtown Square, PA

#42980 Nov 7, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
The thing is, if Romney won, Nate still would of been correct. He was not making predictions, he was making confidences. He was saying that in 10% of election trial runs, Romney would win. The fact that 90% was in Obama and not 100% was because he was modeling the probability that the polls were in error.
Sophisticated but simple.
The only way to proof Nate - would be to have those trial runs and see what the percentages of wins/looses were. Just saying Obama won as he "predicted" is meaningless. And Nate himself explained that a few times.
Its the same as saying I am tossing a coin and overall 50% of the times it will be heads. This does not preclude three tails happening in a row, nor would that invalidate.
Ah, stats!
The real lesson from all of this was not Nate, but that the polls actually correlated with polling behavior. There were serious questions about that ("likely voters", lying voters etc etc) mainly from the right.
yeah right, I said it wrong but i get it. He didn't predict per so but instead gave the statistical probablity of an obama win

It's the same way weather forecasters say 50% of rain. 50% of the time, given the same conditions, it tends to rain. Or it does, has rained.

And it's true,he would have been right either way with the overall result but not state by state. Which from what I've read and heard, he nailed 100%.
former res

Newtown Square, PA

#42981 Nov 7, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
I dont care as much. Its a hollow victory if it is only 50.1% to 49.9%
The real question is whether this loss will cause the repubs double down on their ideology or reform.
It's hollow anyway since it doesn't count..

But a win is a win. And 50.1% would have done the trick in 2000.

Both rape talkers lost but Bachmann won. 2 out of three ain't bad.

Did you see the list of Tump tweets? Class act.

http://www.salon.com/2012/11/07/donald_trump_...

And this:

It took Brian Williams just ten seconds to tear Donald Trump apart during Tuesday night's coverage of the election.

Trump has become a laughingstock for his non-stop harassment of President Obama. The real estate mogul often takes to Twitter to air his birther views, among other opinions, and he was very unhappy on election night.

A seemingly exasperated Williams briefly mentioned Trump's tweets on Tuesday.

“Donald Trump, who has driven well past the last exit to relevance and peered into something closer to irresponsible here, is tweeting tonight,” the NBC newsman said.

He referred to some of Trump's tweets, before saying, "That happened," and moving on to more important news.
former res

Newtown Square, PA

#42982 Nov 7, 2012
Well, once again, to the victor go the spoils. CNN Fortune with the details:


Sales of [Silver's new] book, "The Signal and the Noise: Why So Many Predictions Fail—but Some Don't" shot up 800% on Amazon.com over the last 24 hours. It is now the second best selling book on the site, behind only popular children's book, "The Third Wheel, Diary of a Wimpy Kid Book 7."

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#42983 Nov 7, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
Once again a lawyer that can't point to any facts.
From the Hobbs wiki;
the view that all legitimate
political power must be "representative" and based on the
consent of the people;
I don't consent.
Owning an IRS lawyer;
part one
http://m.youtube.com/watch...
part 2
http://m.youtube.com/watch...
You continue to live there, ergo you consent.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#42984 Nov 7, 2012
TJ Monk wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no such thing as a Messianic Jew. The Law of Moses doesn't count. Jesus instituted the NEW Covanant, to love. Cornilious was the first Gentile to join the 1st century christians.
Maybe you should try actually reading a Bible someday. One of the things that is repeated over and over, several dozen times, is that the Laws of Moses are to stand FOR EVER without any change. When Jesus made the comment to love one's neighbor, he was merely repeating one of those Laws. Which is only to be expected from a Jewish revivalist preacher like Jesus.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#42985 Nov 7, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
Has nothing to do with anything some of those same people believe in killing a fetus and eugenics.
Men should be judged by the quality of their souls not the fiat money in their bank accounts.
You can't kill what is not yet alive. Fetuses don't have souls.
SamBee

Clermont, FL

#42986 Nov 7, 2012
Liam R wrote:
<quoted text>
You can't kill what is not yet alive. Fetuses don't have souls.
Would you mind, proving that according to scripture?
Frijoles

New Haven, CT

#42987 Nov 7, 2012
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
It's hollow anyway since it doesn't count..
But a win is a win. And 50.1% would have done the trick in 2000.
Both rape talkers lost but Bachmann won. 2 out of three ain't bad.
Did you see the list of Tump tweets? Class act.
http://www.salon.com/2012/11/07/donald_trump_...
And this:
It took Brian Williams just ten seconds to tear Donald Trump apart during Tuesday night's coverage of the election.
Trump has become a laughingstock for his non-stop harassment of President Obama. The real estate mogul often takes to Twitter to air his birther views, among other opinions, and he was very unhappy on election night.
A seemingly exasperated Williams briefly mentioned Trump's tweets on Tuesday.
“Donald Trump, who has driven well past the last exit to relevance and peered into something closer to irresponsible here, is tweeting tonight,” the NBC newsman said.
He referred to some of Trump's tweets, before saying, "That happened," and moving on to more important news.
I wonder WHEN the moment exactly was, and WHY it was, that catapulted Mr litle d*ck over the edge from reasonable sanity to unreasonable insanity. Its been going on a few years now.
Frijoles

New Haven, CT

#42988 Nov 7, 2012
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
Both rape talkers lost but Bachmann won. 2 out of three ain't bad.
Oh, the loosers dont fade away. They get picked up by that fair and balanced network as commentators.

Slate had a great article today about the 5 stages of Fox news grief. http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/1...
Frijoles

New Haven, CT

#42989 Nov 7, 2012
SamBee wrote:
<quoted text>
Would you mind, proving that according to scripture?
Proof and scripture have as much in common as you and our Israelite religion.
Frijoles

New Haven, CT

#42990 Nov 7, 2012
http://blog.ctnews.com/politics/2012/11/07/si...


Six key takeaways from Tuesday’s election results

1. There truly is a demographic tidal wave sweeping over the nation, and Republicans ignore it at their own peril.
2. The polls were right.
3. There is a myth of the undecided voter.
4. Independent voters are no longer the key “swing” group.
5. Suburbs can’t be analyzed as a single unit.
6. We have to rethink the way we contemplate the role of money in politics.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#42991 Nov 7, 2012
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>
rabbee: can america survive, four more years as a sinfull nation? with G-D getting angrier, every moment at us. with two or more anti-D candidates, of little or less than no consequence.
so i do not expect any different ending, here in TheTorah. than all the other times, that it ended exactly the same way. because of all the same mental errors as before.
America is not Israel. Your God doesn't get to vote here. He'd have to renounce His Israeli citizenship and move, first...

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#42992 Nov 7, 2012
SamBee wrote:
<quoted text>
Would you mind, proving that according to scripture?
Easy. Exodus 21:22. If the woman is harmed, then its an eye for an eye, death for a death. If the fetus is harmed, then its a fine paid to the husband for damaging his property. Or you can look at Genesis, where Adam is just a lump of clay until the God of the Bible blows that first breath of life (AND a soul!) into his nostrils. Before that, Adam was not a living soul.

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Exodus 21:22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
21:23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
21:24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
21:25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
Frijoles

New Haven, CT

#42993 Nov 7, 2012
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
yeah I read the one questioning his brilliance and saying all he did was look at the polls.
He never claimed to do anyomore than that and that was the point.
He looked at them, he weighted them, and he made mathematical predictions.
Predictions which have proved highly accurate. In at lest two elections that I know of.
And that's good enough for me.
Check this one out - Karl Rove arguing with Fox news anchors and later their statiticians that the Ohio projections may be false - its funny as sht
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#42994 Nov 7, 2012
Liam R wrote:
<quoted text>
America is not Israel. Your God doesn't get to vote here. He'd have to renounce His Israeli citizenship and move, first...
rabbee: do you really think, it makes any difference what nation you reside in? do you really think it makes any difference, whether you call yourself a jew, christian, muslem or pagan? then you are, only fooling yourself.
Voluntarist

United States

#42995 Nov 7, 2012
Liam R wrote:
<quoted text>
You continue to live there, ergo you consent.
Live where "within this state "
factually what is a state?

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#42996 Nov 7, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
Live where "within this state "
factually what is a state?
I don't know, nor do I really care, in which state you live. You could live in a different country, and the facts are still the same. You live there, therefore you are subject to the laws and privileges afforded to you by that state.

As for what a state is, in the broadest possible terms it is a defined geographical region under a defined government. In America, the government is defined by the U.S. Constitution, and the constitution of which ever state is geographically appropriate to our discussion.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#42997 Nov 7, 2012
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>
rabbee: do you really think, it makes any difference what nation you reside in? do you really think it makes any difference, whether you call yourself a jew, christian, muslem or pagan? then you are, only fooling yourself.
Hmm. Haven't you ever read the Bible? It does make it clear that the God of the Bible is the God of the children of Israel and anyone else that wishes to convert and join in the covenant. I do not wish to join that covenant with that God, I have a covenant with my own Gods.

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