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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Frijoles

Waterbury, CT

#42467 Oct 29, 2012
former res wrote:
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Not so sure about the Donald.
Why single Obama out for all that scrutiny?
,
Its all about the publicity for his brand.

There was an interview released a few days ago of Obama a few hours after Bengahzi, a day before the Rose garden. It was linked on SLATE.COM It was not supposed to be a major interview for release, just a minor local station. Obama admitted that the govt really had no clue what was going on since the situation was still fluid, that they were labeling it an act of terror but that could change as soon as the intelligence came in. Basically all the stuff he stated publically many days afterwords (as others were claiming his story wasnt consistent).

And yet birtherism redux continues, unabated.

Willful ignorance of any fact contrary to the position.

McCain even admitted that for him, it was about the politics.
Frijoles

Waterbury, CT

#42468 Oct 29, 2012
Eric wrote:
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I just read the CT constitution. There is no general welfare clause.
He also receives curbside garbage, recyling, leaf pickup, fire and police protection, snow removal, etc etc. But yet he believes it is unconstitutional.
Voluntarist

United States

#42469 Oct 29, 2012
former res wrote:
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Glad to hear you support Welfare.
Social safety nets are very important.
I do not support welfare, and there is much debate about what "promoting the general welfare " means.
I have a hard time believing that the founders intended on handing out their money to others.
Voluntarist

United States

#42471 Oct 29, 2012
Eric wrote:
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I just read the CT constitution. There is no general welfare clause.
I thought you were supposed to be an attorney ding dong.
Its in the US Constitution.
Voluntarist

United States

#42472 Oct 29, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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He also receives curbside garbage, recyling, leaf pickup, fire and police protection, snow removal, etc etc. But yet he believes it is unconstitutional.
Your evidence that I receive such things ?

Police are supposed to protect individual rights, that would be in alignment with the purpose of government.
Frijoles

Waterbury, CT

#42473 Oct 29, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
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Your evidence that I receive such things ?
Police are supposed to protect individual rights, that would be in alignment with the purpose of government.
You live in Darien, Mike. Trust me, you receive such things.
Frijoles

Waterbury, CT

#42474 Oct 29, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
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I thought you were supposed to be an attorney ding dong.
Its in the US Constitution.
You (and I) were talking about the State.
Voluntarist

United States

#42475 Oct 29, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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You live in Darien, Mike. Trust me, you receive such things.
Your evidence that I live in Darien?
Voluntarist

United States

#42476 Oct 29, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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You (and I) were talking about the State.
There is a statute in regards to social programs, LOTS of it is implementing federal programs /funds, that is federal.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#42477 Oct 29, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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Dog knows better than to go on a walk. We lost power briefly twice already (no doubt part of FRs sisters event)- at the rate the wind is blowing I doubt we will last through the evening without loosing it for real. I am watching trees going horizontal. I know about stir crazy - day care closed until further notice. According to "suggested" evac (not the mandatory evac), you should be gone by now, as well as the entire downtown.
Just lost power. Tree down on power line five houses down from me. I don't anticipate restoration for at least a couple days.
Voluntarist

United States

#42478 Oct 29, 2012
Franklin wrote a whole essay on the subject and told one of his
friends:“I have long been of your opinion, that your legal
provision for the poor (in England ) is a very great evil, operating
as it does to the encouragement of idleness. We have followed
your example, and begin now to see our error, and, I hope, shall
reform it.”
A survey of Franklin ’s views on counterproductive compassion
might be summarized as follows:
1. Compassion which gives a drunk the means to increase his
drunkenness is counterproductive.
2. Compassion which breeds debilitating dependency and weakness
is counterproductive.
3. Compassion which blunts the desire or necessity to work for a
living is counterproductive.
4. Compassion which smothers the instinct to strive and excel is
counterproductive.
Voluntarist

United States

#42479 Oct 29, 2012
Highlights from their writings suggest the following:
1. Do not completely care for the needy–merely help them to help
themselves.
2. Give the poor the satisfaction of “earned achievement” instead of
rewarding them without achievement.
3. Allow the poor to climb the “appreciation ladder”–from tents to
cabins, cabins to cottages, cottages to comfortable houses.
4. Where emergency help is provided, do not prolong it to the point
where it becomes habitual.
5. Strictly enforce the scale of “fixed responsibility.” The first and
foremost level of responsibility is with the individual himself; the
second level is the family; then the church; next the community;
finally the county, and, in a disaster or emergency, the state.
Under no circumstances was the federal government to become
involved in public welfare. The Founders felt it would corrupt the
government and also the poor. No constitutional authority exists
for the federal government to participate in so-called social
welfare programs.(Making of America p 218-220)
The U. S. Constitution states in Article I, section 8: The people of
the states empower the Congress to expend money (for the
enumerated purposes listed in Article I, section 8), provided it is
done in a way that benefits the general welfare of the whole
people. Thomas Jefferson explained that this clause was not a
grant of power to “spend” for the general welfare of the people,
but was intended to “limit the power of taxation” to matters
which provided for the welfare of “the Union ” or the welfare of
the whole nation. In other words, federal taxes could not be
levied for states, countries, cities, or special interest groups.
(Making of America p 387)
Voluntarist

United States

#42480 Oct 29, 2012
The Court unlawfully laid the foundation for what turned out to
be an amendment to the Constitution in the 1936 Butler case,
where “general welfare” was twisted to allow “special welfare”,
and the federal budget jumped from six billion to six hundred
billion in one generation.(Making of America p 255) Should the
Federal Government be involved in Social Welfare, you be the
judge.
Frijoles

Waterbury, CT

#42481 Oct 29, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
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Your evidence that I live in Darien?
Your former name was Madman Mike - URL was Darien. "You can run but you can't hide..."
Frijoles

Waterbury, CT

#42482 Oct 29, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Just lost power. Tree down on power line five houses down from me. I don't anticipate restoration for at least a couple days.
Juts when I think the wind cant get more brutal, it does. I just got the candles together,.
Eric

Lisle, IL

#42483 Oct 29, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
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I thought you were supposed to be an attorney ding dong.
Its in the US Constitution.
Frijoles was talking about state constitution and services, not Federal.

post 42450

Frijoles wrote:
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and where in the CT Constitution is snow removal, leaf pickup, recycling and garbage, fire safety, or ems?
Do have a shrine to your Constitution? Do you leave fruit?

Your response:
The much abused promote the general welfare clause.

Note the words CT Constitution.

There is no general welfare clause in the "CT Constitution". I was surprised as to the brevity of the document and the lack of overall specificity.
Voluntarist

United States

#42484 Oct 29, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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Your former name was Madman Mike - URL was Darien. "You can run but you can't hide..."
Just because URL says darien doesn't mean that I am in darien , also doesn't mean that I live in darien.
Voluntarist

United States

#42485 Oct 29, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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Juts when I think the wind cant get more brutal, it does. I just got the candles together,.
I just travelled through beltown, springdale and high ridge road, the roads are a Tad bit messy, downed limbs and lines.
Voluntarist

United States

#42486 Oct 29, 2012
Eric wrote:
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Frijoles was talking about state constitution and services, not Federal.
post 42450
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
and where in the CT Constitution is snow removal, leaf pickup, recycling and garbage, fire safety, or ems?
Do have a shrine to your Constitution? Do you leave fruit?
Your response:
The much abused promote the general welfare clause.
Note the words CT Constitution.
There is no general welfare clause in the "CT Constitution". I was surprised as to the brevity of the document and the lack of overall specificity.
The dss was created through statute implementing the federal welfare.
There are many states with general welfare clauses, CT is ingrained in statute.
SeasideSoon

Hoschton, GA

#42487 Oct 29, 2012
former res wrote:
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You make no sense.
Look at troop levels.
http://afghanistan.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/22/c...
Did you forget about the surge?
No, did you forget whose whose surge it was?

Bush focused less on Afghanistan after the Taliban had mostly left for Pakistan. Then in 2009, Obama sent 30,000 more troops..I guess his intelligence sources weren't any better then than today.
All the while, he's surging up in Afghanistan, and OBL was holed up in Pakistan. So it took 30,000 more troops in Afghan to figure out that OBL wasn't even there. Amazing..can't make this stuff up.

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