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rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#41780 Oct 10, 2012
MUQ wrote:
Mohammad , the Ideal Prophet By SYED SULAIMAN NADWI (Abridged) Part-20
Lecture 3. The Historic Aspect of Prophet Muhammad’s Life (Contd.)
Phases of Gathering Info.:
As a matter of fact there are three phases in which the work of gathering information about the holy Prophet’s life, his sayings, his traditions and his message, and its classification and recording was accomplished.
In the first phase every person gathered first hand information individually and compiled and preserved it personally. In the second phase data was collected from each city where the holy Prophet’s companions had spread. In the third phase, information was collected from all over the Muslim world, and arranged and recorded in the form of the present day books.
The first phase lasted about a hundred years (up to 100 AR). It corresponds to the period of the holy Prophet’s worthy companions and their senior disciples, the Tabi’een.
The second phase lasted up to 150 AH. It corresponds to the time of those scholars who received direct instruction from the Tabi’een.
The third phase extends to the third century of Al-Hijra which belongs to such eminent scholars of Islam as Imam Bukhari, Imam Muslim, lmam Tirmizi and Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal (May Allah be pleased with them all)...
Muslims Criterion for Recording Info:
Muslims have set up a very strict and a very high standard of recording the biography of their holy Prophet (Peace be upon him) and have turned it into an art form. The first principle of this discipline was to record an event in the words of a person who was himself part of that event or had personally witnessed it.
If he was not an eye witness, he would record the names of all the persons narrating that particular event up to the person who were eyewitnesses to it. Then he would record personal information about everyone included in the chain of narration, This usually included such details as to the name of the reporters, who they were, what they did, what they were like, what their moral character was like, whether they were intelligent or not, whether they were trustworthy or unreliable, if they were superficial or given to deep thought, if they were well-versed in knowledge or simply ignorant etc.
It was extremely difficult to collect such minute and exact details about every person who had narrated a tradition. But thousands of dedicated Muslim scholars spent a lifetime compiling this information. They travelled from city to city only to meet personally a narrator of the holy Prophet’s traditions, gathering detailed
information about them.
Through their untiring research they were able to invent a new art form in Islamic literature known as Asma-ur-Rijal. Today it enables us to know the biographical details of over a hundred thousand people who took part in narrating a tradition of the holy Prophet (Peace be upon him)…
Abundance of Available Info:
However, what is still more amazing is the fact that all the information which formed the basis of the holy Prophet’s biography is available today. Muslim scholars have preserved every incident of his life along with their assessment of the status of the narrators whether he is to be considered authentic, reliable, wrong, right, not so reliable, strong or weak in his reporting of a particular event.
The whole data is there for anyone to sift through and judge every tradition’s truthfulness by applying the same strict rules the Muslim biographers have applied to tell the wrong from the right.
Gentlemen! These historical details and references might appear to you somewhat dull and painstaking because I have devoted a considerable amount of my lecture explaining these facts.
rabbee: lot of wasted, space between the ears here. when people are not going to remember, even one sentence for two minutes.
Eric

Geneva, IL

#41781 Oct 10, 2012
MUQ wrote:
Gentlemen! These historical details and references might appear to you somewhat dull and painstaking because I have devoted a considerable amount of my lecture explaining these facts.
What references. He cites little or no references to support his lecture.
Frijoles

South Glastonbury, CT

#41782 Oct 11, 2012
SeasideSoon wrote:
<quoted text>Or perhaps it was the beetle.
http://blog.newsok.com/energy/2012/08/01/beet...
Get more U-Hauls.
Its not even technically a delay, as the work will be ongoing.

"A TransCanada spokesman told the World-Herald that it is too soon to know how the new rules would affect construction, but that the company will work with the new regulations. Construction of the Keystone XL is expected to take two years, and work could be adjusted to allow for removal of any beetles without affecting that timetable, Howard said."

But in the case of the aquifer, it is a reroute. Thats a bigger issue. But even that isnt really a delay, as the reroute is done in the planning phase, not the work phase.

"The Ogallala Aquifer supplies ~30% of the United States' total irrigation water and ~82% of the drinking water for the >2.3 million people (1990 Census) who live within the aquifer boundary..." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_ri...

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#41783 Oct 11, 2012
Mom of navy seal that died in Lybia told Romney to shut up about her son.

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#41784 Oct 11, 2012
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
What references. He cites little or no references to support his lecture.
Hiya Eric.
New shimshon, new appearance.(as in never forgot that explanation, added extra meaning)

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#41785 Oct 11, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Its not even technically a delay, as the work will be ongoing.
"A TransCanada spokesman told the World-Herald that it is too soon to know how the new rules would affect construction, but that the company will work with the new regulations. Construction of the Keystone XL is expected to take two years, and work could be adjusted to allow for removal of any beetles without affecting that timetable, Howard said."
But in the case of the aquifer, it is a reroute. Thats a bigger issue. But even that isnt really a delay, as the reroute is done in the planning phase, not the work phase.
"The Ogallala Aquifer supplies ~30% of the United States' total irrigation water and ~82% of the drinking water for the >2.3 million people (1990 Census) who live within the aquifer boundary..." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_ri...
Motnhs ago i showed some numbers re. jobs all environmentally conscious plans will generate.

Read interesting new research. We always thought that petroleum was basicly ancient heat compressed fossil mini-creatures.
Now it turns out that methane when compressed can also make carb-hydrate connections.
And that seems to be the more feasible process.
Petroleum may be abiogenic, not fossil-based
www.fravahr.org
Frijoles

South Glastonbury, CT

#41786 Oct 11, 2012
SeasideSoon wrote:
<quoted text>Or perhaps it was the beetle.
http://blog.newsok.com/energy/2012/08/01/beet...
Get more U-Hauls.
"The American burying beetle has been causing heartburn for oil and gas companies in Oklahoma for more than a decade.....

...To ensure the insect’s safety, environmental regulations require companies to hire biologists and survey areas for the beetles before they dig in areas where they may be found. If any of the species are found in an area, biologists must trap or bait them away."

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Crocodile tears on behalf of the industry. All they need to do is hire the expertise to do the mitigation - which consists of survey and relocation. That is a far cry from preventing the pipeline work from being done.

In the 90s I worked on an archaeological crew doing just. As a condition of the work permit, the pipeline route had to be surveyed to see if their were any artifacts or archaeological sites. There of course were (as expected).

Basically the trench was opened by the digger machine, any artifacts and sites observed by us were excavated on spot by hand and saved and recorded, and then the pipe was placed by the pipeline workers in the trench and backfilled.

No fuss, no drama (as long as no humane remains were found- which rarely happens). We were paid barely more than twice minimum wage plus stipend (no benefits - we were temps) so you couldnt even argue we were causing a huge financial burden to anyone. This is how the mitigation process is typically done in contract archaeology and contract biology.
Voluntarist

United States

#41787 Oct 11, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Incorrect.
He initially delayed it in order to allow the regulatory review process to pan out. During the preliminary review, it became clear that routing it over an aquifer zone was not environmentally sound or preferable, and the host states themselves were not thrilled about the route either.
The oil companies were fine with this, because they knew that a reroute was feasible, so they played along.
However, the Republicans needed a wedge issue, so they tried to force Obama to make a decision on it asap (even though the Oil Companies consultants needed time it order to plan the reroute).
So Obama called the Republicans bluff and "denied" the pipeline on the grounds on insufficient information. Meanwhile the planning of the reroute continued. And Obama announced a few days ago, that when the reroute advances to proposal form, he will instruct the Agencies to review it and probably approve it.
So it is much ado about nothing. Unless you are a republican politician looking to make hay.
Does all this complexity make your two brain cells want to burst?
Its very simple, if Obama stops the pipeline as he did, he wont be president.
The oil guys wont have any problem with mittens.
They need everything in place for when oil goes to $150 per barrel after they blow up the middle east and screw the Saudis, at $150 per barrel it will be worthwhile to open up several areas in the states; the rocky mountain area, north Dakota, etc.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#41788 Oct 11, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
Its very simple, if Obama stops the pipeline as he did, he wont be president.
The oil guys wont have any problem with mittens.
They need everything in place for when oil goes to $150 per barrel after they blow up the middle east and screw the Saudis, at $150 per barrel it will be worthwhile to open up several areas in the states; the rocky mountain area, north Dakota, etc.
The price of oil is governed by global supply and demand. The sitting president has little to no control over it.

In addition, the "oil barrons" have no interest in seeing the price of oil reach $150 per barrel. At those prices, they'd be shooting themselves in the foot since alternative fuels become more viable.

Come to think of it, perhaps it would be a good thing if the price of oil rose that high. Then we'd finally get serious about conservation and alternative fuels.
Frijoles

South Glastonbury, CT

#41789 Oct 11, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
Its very simple, if Obama stops the pipeline as he did, he wont be president.
The oil guys wont have any problem with mittens.
They need everything in place for when oil goes to $150 per barrel after they blow up the middle east and screw the Saudis, at $150 per barrel it will be worthwhile to open up several areas in the states; the rocky mountain area, north Dakota, etc.
Its very simple,

Obama didn tstop the pipeline (do you not know how to read?), nor will his administration likely do so in the future. The notion of impact mitigation is foreign to your ears I guess as well.
Frijoles

South Glastonbury, CT

#41790 Oct 11, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
The price of oil is governed by global supply and demand. The sitting president has little to no control over it.
In addition, the "oil barrons" have no interest in seeing the price of oil reach $150 per barrel. At those prices, they'd be shooting themselves in the foot since alternative fuels become more viable.
Come to think of it, perhaps it would be a good thing if the price of oil rose that high. Then we'd finally get serious about conservation and alternative fuels.
There is no future in oil in just about any economic scenario. Thats whats so pathetic about Mitt Romney. But then again he still wants to fight the Soviet Union.
SeasideSoon

Hoschton, GA

#41791 Oct 11, 2012
MAAT wrote:
Mom of navy seal that died in Lybia told Romney to shut up about her son.
Parents of Navy Seal tell Obama administration to quit politicizing the death of their son and other Seals. Family says administration made the Seals and their families targets by leaking identity of Seal team 6.

Clinton "just think of the downside for Obama if those Seals had been captured or killed"

Gee, that was my first reaction too. Not.
SeasideSoon

Hoschton, GA

#41792 Oct 11, 2012
While I continue to refer to Obama by his name, or Mr. Obama or the president, some others indulge in grammar school tactics of referring to his opponent by childish nicknames.
SeasideSoon

Hoschton, GA

#41793 Oct 11, 2012
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/oct/...

"Four days later, on May 7, the State Department authorized the U.S. embassy in Vienna to purchase a $108,000 electric vehicle charging station for the embassy motor pool’s new Chevrolet Volts."

"While the embassy in Vienna was going green, the consulate in Benghazi was getting bombed, and little was done to stop it.

Before the terrorist attack that took the lives of Ambassador Chris Stevens, Sean Smith, Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods, there were more than 230 security incidents in Libya between June 2011 and July 2012."
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http://nlpc.org/cached/embassies-facing-secur...

"And this is where it actually starts to get ridiculous. The State Department also recently threw a big party (photos of two Chevy Volts at the event here) to celebrate the "greening" of the American Embassy in Vienna. There's actually a "League of Green Embassies" website."

"These Chevy Volt-related purchases are symbols of misguided Obama administration priorities. I'm sure these two embassies aren't the only places the government has spent money on environmental idealism instead of practical security measures"
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Vienna trickles while Benghazi burns.

I wish I had the time to find out which companies are involved, other than Chevy, to green our embassies. I wonder if any relation to Solyndra or other big donors.

If anyone has missed the hearing yesterday, the full 3 hours are on the web.
former res

Broomall, PA

#41794 Oct 11, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
Obama double crossed the elites by stopping the oil pipeline from coming through Canada, that is why they made mittens spank Obama at the last debate.
Obama is history if he continues to double cross the oil barons.
You think it's ok that ExxonMobile drives US energy policy?

Do you that what's good for ExxonMobile is good for the US? Or do you think corporate profist might be the goal there? Rather than energy independence?
former res

Broomall, PA

#41795 Oct 11, 2012
SeasideSoon wrote:
<quoted text>But you missed a relative point 'personal responsibility'- in other words, if you can't afford to own and maintain a home...
Why should W have cared abou that? The profit is in making the loans.

W was not one for fiscal reponsibility. Where was the Tea Party when he was doubling the debt?

The number one cause of our current deficit is the Bush tax cuts followe by the two unfunded wars. The stimulus is a distant third.
SeasideSoon wrote:
<quoted text>
The facet of this 'society' we were discussing was home ownership which rose when a democrat congress pressured lenders to make risky loans. That started under Clinton.
Is this the same Congress responsible for the surplus?
SeasideSoon wrote:
<quoted text>
The only reason Clinton ended up with a surplus is because the house was Republican. Somehow we avoided HillaryCare during the same time period.
So does that make the current GOP Congress responsible for the current deficit? Seems you have a way of never giving credit to the dems/

Did the gop get Bin Laden?
SeasideSoon wrote:
<quoted text>
BushCare was bashed because it didn't pay EVERYTHING for EVERYBODY.
If anyone thinks that the insurance companies aren't going to come out on top with whoever's grandiose health care plan, they are living under a mushroom.
That's why we need single payer.
Frijoles

South Glastonbury, CT

#41796 Oct 11, 2012
SeasideSoon wrote:
http://www.washingtontimes.com /news/2012/oct/10/kelly-libya- security-cut-while-vienna-emba ssy-gain/
"Four days later, on May 7, the State Department authorized the U.S. embassy in Vienna to purchase a $108,000 electric vehicle charging station for the embassy motor pool’s new Chevrolet Volts."
"While the embassy in Vienna was going green, the consulate in Benghazi was getting bombed, and little was done to stop it.
Before the terrorist attack that took the lives of Ambassador Chris Stevens, Sean Smith, Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods, there were more than 230 security incidents in Libya between June 2011 and July 2012."
----------
http://nlpc.org/cached/embassies-facing-secur...
"And this is where it actually starts to get ridiculous. The State Department also recently threw a big party (photos of two Chevy Volts at the event here) to celebrate the "greening" of the American Embassy in Vienna. There's actually a "League of Green Embassies" website."
"These Chevy Volt-related purchases are symbols of misguided Obama administration priorities. I'm sure these two embassies aren't the only places the government has spent money on environmental idealism instead of practical security measures"
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Vienna trickles while Benghazi burns.
I wish I had the time to find out which companies are involved, other than Chevy, to green our embassies. I wonder if any relation to Solyndra or other big donors.
If anyone has missed the hearing yesterday, the full 3 hours are on the web.
Nope, cant have energy independance.
Must be beholden to big oil and our friends in Venezualea and Saudia Arabia.

BTW it was the Republican controlled house that defunded the security budget. You know, the same ones making the stink today.
Frijoles

South Glastonbury, CT

#41797 Oct 11, 2012
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
The number one cause of our current deficit is the Bush tax cuts followe by the two unfunded wars. The stimulus is a distant third.
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Ouch - there goes them facts again.

It did occur to me that if last month was historically significant as the first period in American Politics that factual accuracy OFFICIALLY does not matter.....This month is even MORE historically significant as the first period in American Politics apparently where POSITIONS do not matter.

Romney is a trend setter. Why waste time in a campaign with campaigning. We should get it over with, and just sell the darn office to the highers bidder to help reduce the deficit.
Voluntarist

United States

#41798 Oct 11, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
The price of oil is governed by global supply and demand. The sitting president has little to no control over it.
In addition, the "oil barrons" have no interest in seeing the price of oil reach $150 per barrel. At those prices, they'd be shooting themselves in the foot since alternative fuels become more viable.
Come to think of it, perhaps it would be a good thing if the price of oil rose that high. Then we'd finally get serious about conservation and alternative fuels.
Don't worry, they have government in their pockets to stiffen any competition.
Frijoles

South Glastonbury, CT

#41799 Oct 11, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't worry, they have government in their pockets to stiffen any competition.
In case you didnt notice, the home heating oil industry in CT is slowly dieing. And if Malloy's incentives for switching over to natural gas get adopted, then the industry is dead in the water.

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