Ill. House Approves Legalizing Same-Sex Civil Unions

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The Illinois House has approved a measure to legalize civil unions for same-sex couples.

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#41962 Sep 11, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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I go a step deeper;
Ss couples prevent children from enjoying both a mother and father. Even if they are default.
Not all couples who marry will choose to or are even capable of having children. Children are not a requirement for marriage to remain a fundamental right of all individuals. Gender fails as a legitimate restriction.

When a child is adopted by a same sex couple, they are afforded two parents who want them, rather than being deprived of one or two parents. When born into a same sex marriage, they are also afforded two parents. Your artificial gender requirement is no guarantee they will have parents who care about them. It often means they will have one or two parents who don't want them, resent them, beat, torture and even kill them. Gender of the parent is no guarantee of survival, let alone good parents.

(Hawaii supreme court testamony): Dr Eggebeen (witness against marriage equality) also conceded that "gay and lesbian couples can , and do, make excellent parents" "that they are capable of raising a healthy child", and "that children of same sex couples would be helped if their families had access to or were able to receive benefits of marriage".

Dr. Charlotte Patterson: there was "no data or research which establishes that gay fathers and lesbian mothers are less capable of being good parents than non-gay people.

Dr. David Brodzinsky: The issue is not the structural variable, biological versus nonbiological, one parent versus two parent. The issue is really the process variables, how children are cared for, is the child provided warmth, it the child provided consistency of care, is the child provided a stimulated environment, is the e child given support.... and when you take a look at structural variables, there's not all that much support that structural variable in and of themselves are all that important.

Dr. Pepper Shwartz: "the primary quality of parenting is not the parenting structure, or biology, but is the nurturing relationship between parent and child."
Mother Superior

Saint Louis, MO

#41964 Sep 11, 2013
Just this week I witnessed a same sex couple break up. It is NOT turning out well for the kids involve.
Not Yet Equal wrote:
<quoted text>
Not all couples who marry will choose to or are even capable of having children. Children are not a requirement for marriage to remain a fundamental right of all individuals. Gender fails as a legitimate restriction.
When a child is adopted by a same sex couple, they are afforded two parents who want them, rather than being deprived of one or two parents. When born into a same sex marriage, they are also afforded two parents. Your artificial gender requirement is no guarantee they will have parents who care about them. It often means they will have one or two parents who don't want them, resent them, beat, torture and even kill them. Gender of the parent is no guarantee of survival, let alone good parents.
(Hawaii supreme court testamony): Dr Eggebeen (witness against marriage equality) also conceded that "gay and lesbian couples can , and do, make excellent parents" "that they are capable of raising a healthy child", and "that children of same sex couples would be helped if their families had access to or were able to receive benefits of marriage".
Dr. Charlotte Patterson: there was "no data or research which establishes that gay fathers and lesbian mothers are less capable of being good parents than non-gay people.
Dr. David Brodzinsky: The issue is not the structural variable, biological versus nonbiological, one parent versus two parent. The issue is really the process variables, how children are cared for, is the child provided warmth, it the child provided consistency of care, is the child provided a stimulated environment, is the e child given support.... and when you take a look at structural variables, there's not all that much support that structural variable in and of themselves are all that important.
Dr. Pepper Shwartz: "the primary quality of parenting is not the parenting structure, or biology, but is the nurturing relationship between parent and child."

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#41965 Sep 11, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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Not all couples who marry will choose to or are even capable of having children. Children are not a requirement for marriage to remain a fundamental right of all individuals. Gender fails as a legitimate restriction.
When a child is adopted by a same sex couple, they are afforded two parents who want them, rather than being deprived of one or two parents. When born into a same sex marriage, they are also afforded two parents. Your artificial gender requirement is no guarantee they will have parents who care about them. It often means they will have one or two parents who don't want them, resent them, beat, torture and even kill them. Gender of the parent is no guarantee of survival, let alone good parents.
(Hawaii supreme court testamony): Dr Eggebeen (witness against marriage equality) also conceded that "gay and lesbian couples can , and do, make excellent parents" "that they are capable of raising a healthy child", and "that children of same sex couples would be helped if their families had access to or were able to receive benefits of marriage".
Dr. Charlotte Patterson: there was "no data or research which establishes that gay fathers and lesbian mothers are less capable of being good parents than non-gay people.
Dr. David Brodzinsky: The issue is not the structural variable, biological versus nonbiological, one parent versus two parent. The issue is really the process variables, how children are cared for, is the child provided warmth, it the child provided consistency of care, is the child provided a stimulated environment, is the e child given support.... and when you take a look at structural variables, there's not all that much support that structural variable in and of themselves are all that important.
Dr. Pepper Shwartz: "the primary quality of parenting is not the parenting structure, or biology, but is the nurturing relationship between parent and child."
Still trying to equate a married couple who chooses not to have a child with a SS couple who can NEVER have a child?

Get real honey

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#41966 Sep 11, 2013
Mother Superior wrote:
Just this week I witnessed a same sex couple break up. It is NOT turning out well for the kids involve.
<quoted text>
Just this week, thousands of opposite sex parents were reported to Child Protective Services for physical abuse, sexual abuse, and neglect of their own children. That does not include the unreported cases. Having one parent of each gender is no guarantee the child will be wanted, let alone survive.

While not all same sex parents will be great parents, the difference is that they are always motivated to be parents, while opposite sex parents are often not motivated and sometimes resentful. Others simply have no idea of how to be a good parent and repeat the abuses of their own parents. Again, over 30 years of research and clinical experience has revealed the relationship between the parent and child is the determining variable for healthy adjustment, not the gender of the parent.

Again; Dr. David Brodzinsky: The issue is not the structural variable, biological versus nonbiological, one parent versus two parent. The issue is really the process variables, how children are cared for, is the child provided warmth, it the child provided consistency of care, is the child provided a stimulated environment, is the e child given support.... and when you take a look at structural variables, there's not all that much support that structural variable in and of themselves are all that important.

Dr. Pepper Shwartz: "the primary quality of parenting is not the parenting structure, or biology, but is the nurturing relationship between parent and child." (Hawaii Supreme Court testamony)

Additionally; "The nation's most influential pediatrician's group has endorsed gay marriage, saying a stable relationship between parents regardless of sexual orientation contributes to a child's health and well-being.
The American Academy of Pediatrics' new policy, published online Thursday, cites research showing that the parents' sexual orientation has no effect on a child's development. Kids fare just as well in gay or straight families when they are nurturing and financially and emotionally stable, the academy says."

http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/...

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#41967 Sep 11, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Still trying to equate a married couple who chooses not to have a child with a SS couple who can NEVER have a child?
Get real honey
Many opposite sex couples can never have a child.

They are allowed to get married despite that fact, as procreation has never been a requirement for marriage in any state or by the federal government. Even anti-gay Justice Scalia recognizes this fact of law. The elderly or otherwise sterile, paralyzed, amputated, or otherwise incapable of even having sex, are still recognized as retaining the fundamental right of marriage.

Your personal requirement of procreation ability in order to get married is your personal prejudice, not a requirement of law. Apply it to yourself if you choose, but the law does not impose it on anyone.

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#41968 Sep 11, 2013
"But even if Congress believed at the time of DOMA's passage that children had the best chance at success if raised jointly by their biological mothers and fathers, a desire to encourage heterosexual couples to procreate and rear their own children more responsibly would not provide a rational basis for denying federal recognition to same-sex marriages. Such denial does nothing to promote stability in heterosexual parenting. Rather, it "prevents children of same-sex couples from enjoying the immeasurable advantages that flow from the assurance of a stable family structure, when afforded equal recognition under federal law." (Gill)

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#41969 Sep 11, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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Just this week, thousands of opposite sex parents were reported to Child Protective Services for physical abuse, sexual abuse, and neglect of their own children. That does not include the unreported cases. Having one parent of each gender is no guarantee the child will be wanted, let alone survive.
While not all same sex parents will be great parents, the difference is that they are always motivated to be parents, while opposite sex parents are often not motivated and sometimes resentful. Others simply have no idea of how to be a good parent and repeat the abuses of their own parents. Again, over 30 years of research and clinical experience has revealed the relationship between the parent and child is the determining variable for healthy adjustment, not the gender of the parent.
Again; Dr. David Brodzinsky: The issue is not the structural variable, biological versus nonbiological, one parent versus two parent. The issue is really the process variables, how children are cared for, is the child provided warmth, it the child provided consistency of care, is the child provided a stimulated environment, is the e child given support.... and when you take a look at structural variables, there's not all that much support that structural variable in and of themselves are all that important.
Dr. Pepper Shwartz: "the primary quality of parenting is not the parenting structure, or biology, but is the nurturing relationship between parent and child." (Hawaii Supreme Court testamony)
Additionally; "The nation's most influential pediatrician's group has endorsed gay marriage, saying a stable relationship between parents regardless of sexual orientation contributes to a child's health and well-being.
The American Academy of Pediatrics' new policy, published online Thursday, cites research showing that the parents' sexual orientation has no effect on a child's development. Kids fare just as well in gay or straight families when they are nurturing and financially and emotionally stable, the academy says."
http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/...
Politically correct BS at the expense of children. Biological parents are statistically better by far.
The Preacherman

Indianapolis, IN

#41970 Sep 11, 2013
Do as you please and say as you please. There is one born FACT gays and same sex marriage will burn in hell forever. Leviticus 18:22

Get your life right with God or pay for it the hard way at the end of time. And that time is coming real soon people. Don't let the devil make a fool out of you get right or else....
DanvleLOSER SMELLS JANTOO

Paris, IL

#41971 Sep 11, 2013
The Preacherman i BET YOU WOULD LIKE TO BANG MY BOOTY HOLE?

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#41972 Sep 11, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Politically correct BS at the expense of children. Biological parents are statistically better by far.
No one is prevented from having biological children by treating same sex couples equally under the marriage laws. Those so inclined will continue to do so, whether married or not.

Children are not required for marriage. They benefit from having married parents, but many couples cannot have children, while others have no desire. Children of same sex parent families do just as well.

Adoption studies have reinforced the findings that the most important variable is the relationship between the parent and child. Not gender, not biology. Quality of nurturing relationship is the most important factor.

Common sense, common observation, should make this finding of research and clinical observation, self evident.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#41973 Sep 12, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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No one is prevented from having biological children by treating same sex couples equally under the marriage laws. Those so inclined will continue to do so, whether married or not.
Children are not required for marriage. They benefit from having married parents, but many couples cannot have children, while others have no desire. Children of same sex parent families do just as well.
Adoption studies have reinforced the findings that the most important variable is the relationship between the parent and child. Not gender, not biology. Quality of nurturing relationship is the most important factor.
Common sense, common observation, should make this finding of research and clinical observation, self evident.
There are NO legitimate studies of lesbian couples compared to hetero couples. There are NO studies of gay couples parenting.

Common sense should tell you that a child needs and deserves both genders parenting.

“Busting Kimare's”

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#41975 Sep 12, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Common sense should tell you that a child needs and deserves both genders parenting.
Two SS adults can be as nurturing to a child as two adults of opposite gender.

What role do adult genitals serve in parenting?

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#41976 Sep 12, 2013
Dusty Mangina wrote:
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Two SS adults can be as nurturing to a child as two adults of opposite gender.
What role do adult genitals serve in parenting?
'Adult genitals'?

That's how you view parenting?

And you see no distinction between a father and mother? Wonder how your parents feel getting thrown under the bus...

You only prove why SS couples are unqualified to be parents.
CUZ

Chicago, IL

#41977 Sep 12, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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There are NO legitimate studies of lesbian couples compared to hetero couples. There are NO studies of gay couples parenting.
Common sense should tell you that a child needs and deserves both genders parenting.
On the contrary. There are MANY studies done over the last 30 years referring gay vs. straight parenting. A recent report in the American Journal of Pediatrics reads: Many studies have demonstrated that children's well-being is affected much more by their relationships with their parents, their parents' sense of competence and security, and the presence of social and economic support for the family than by the gender or sexual orientation of their parents. Lack of opportunity for same-gender couples to marry adds to families' stress, which affects the health and welfare of all household members. Because marriage strengthens families and, in so doing, benefits children's development, children should not be deprived of the opportunity for their parents to be married. Paths to parenthood that include assisted reproductive techniques, adoption, and foster parenting should focus on competency of the parents rather than their sexual orientation.(Report co-authored by Benjamin Siegel, a School of Medicine professor of pediatrics, and Ellen Perrin, a Tufts University professor of pediatrics and director of development and behavioral pediatrics.

There are good gay parents and bad gay parents, just as there are good straight parents and bad straight parents. Sexual orientation doesn't matter. Only to the homophobes out there.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#41978 Sep 12, 2013
CUZ wrote:
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On the contrary. There are MANY studies done over the last 30 years referring gay vs. straight parenting. A recent report in the American Journal of Pediatrics reads: Many studies have demonstrated that children's well-being is affected much more by their relationships with their parents, their parents' sense of competence and security, and the presence of social and economic support for the family than by the gender or sexual orientation of their parents. Lack of opportunity for same-gender couples to marry adds to families' stress, which affects the health and welfare of all household members. Because marriage strengthens families and, in so doing, benefits children's development, children should not be deprived of the opportunity for their parents to be married. Paths to parenthood that include assisted reproductive techniques, adoption, and foster parenting should focus on competency of the parents rather than their sexual orientation.(Report co-authored by Benjamin Siegel, a School of Medicine professor of pediatrics, and Ellen Perrin, a Tufts University professor of pediatrics and director of development and behavioral pediatrics.
There are good gay parents and bad gay parents, just as there are good straight parents and bad straight parents. Sexual orientation doesn't matter. Only to the homophobes out there.
Post just one of the studies with the methods used.

Smile
Cell mate

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#41979 Sep 12, 2013
Brandon Gaines wrote:
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Hoping to see ya soon for booty.

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Since: Feb 13

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#41981 Sep 12, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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'Adult genitals'?
That's how you view parenting?
And you see no distinction between a father and mother? Wonder how your parents feel getting thrown under the bus...
You only prove why SS couples are unqualified to be parents.
Dipshit, you're the one who keeps claiming that there should be one male and one female in a child's life. So what purpose do genitals serve in raising children?

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#41982 Sep 12, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
'Adult genitals'?
That's how you view parenting?
And you see no distinction between a father and mother? Wonder how your parents feel getting thrown under the bus...
You only prove why SS couples are unqualified to be parents.
Dusty Mangina wrote:
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Dipshit, you're the one who keeps claiming that there should be one male and one female in a child's life. So what purpose do genitals serve in raising children?
You are again describing a mother and father as simply being 'genitals'???

You are a dipshit and an ass all in one.

Stay away from children!
CUZ

Chicago Heights, IL

#41983 Sep 12, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Post just one of the studies with the methods used.
Smile
Here are just 3 of the many: Melbourne University in Australia: Australian Study of Child Health in Same-Sex Families, The Williams Institute - Predictors of Psychological Adjustment in Early Placed Adopted Children with Lesbian, Gay, and Heterosexual Parents, and Cambridge University Centre for Family Research - I've Got Two Dads and They Adopted Me. You can look up the methods used yourself.

The bottom line is this: I can find a hundred reports to support gay marriage and you will never change your mind anyway because you don't want to believe them. It doesn't matter. Gay marriage is coming no matter what. The writing is on the wall. It's just a matter of time.

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#41984 Sep 12, 2013
CUZ wrote:
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Here are just 3 of the many: Melbourne University in Australia: Australian Study of Child Health in Same-Sex Families, The Williams Institute - Predictors of Psychological Adjustment in Early Placed Adopted Children with Lesbian, Gay, and Heterosexual Parents, and Cambridge University Centre for Family Research - I've Got Two Dads and They Adopted Me. You can look up the methods used yourself.
The bottom line is this: I can find a hundred reports to support gay marriage and you will never change your mind anyway because you don't want to believe them. It doesn't matter. Gay marriage is coming no matter what. The writing is on the wall. It's just a matter of time.
Smile.
Melbourne University in Australia: Australian Study of Child Health in Same-Sex Families:

Who are the study participants?

For this study we will be working with same-sex attracted parents in order to develop a complete picture of the health and wellbeing of their children. We will also be working with children over the age of 10 years who have same-sex attracted parents.

How is information collected?

The study will begin by inviting participants to complete a questionnaire. The questionnaire will be available online or can be sent by mail for those who might prefer this.

Following the initial questionnaire some participants will be invited to take part in more in depth interviews to help us create a more detailed picture of child health and wellbeing.

A questionnaire?

(Such as, "Do you molest your child?" ~ If you answer yes, you wil be arrested...)

No comparison group?

No long term evaluation?

Too funny cuz...

However, that is the typical case with these studies. At least that is the findings of a study of those studies...

Perhaps YOU can find a legit one like I asked???

Smile.

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