Ill. House Approves Legalizing Same-Sex Civil Unions

Nov 30, 2010 Full story: CBS2 51,248

The Illinois House has approved a measure to legalize civil unions for same-sex couples.

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JanSmells Dogs Not SoMuch

Los Osos, CA

#41734 Aug 24, 2013
youaidslover wrote:
<quoted text>When you die from hiv 1. You can have the devil between your buns ,24-7 !
If this is an example of the discourse of the "anti-gay-marriage" faction--no wonder you LOST.
Sparkle

Bellevue, WA

#41735 Aug 24, 2013
JanSmells Dogs Not SoMuch wrote:
<quoted text>
If this is an example of the discourse of the "anti-gay-marriage" faction--no wonder you LOST.
Oh maybe you didn't get the memo fucktard WE WON..

NEXT
JanSmells Dogs Not SoMuch

Los Osos, CA

#41736 Aug 24, 2013
Sparkle wrote:
<quoted text>Oh maybe you didn't get the memo fucktard WE WON..
NEXT
Lol. Not according to the Supreme Court of these United States it seems.

NEXT.
Sparkle

Bellevue, WA

#41737 Aug 24, 2013
JanSmells Dogs Not SoMuch wrote:
<quoted text>
Lol. Not according to the Supreme Court of these United States it seems.
NEXT.
Ummmmmm the supreme court ruled in favor of gay marriage.... maybe you missed that
blast

Micronesia, Federated States of

#41740 Aug 25, 2013
It's no wonder why strange things are happening. Looks like the book of Revelations is correct. Everything the book has mention about is happening. Though I disagree with the legalization of gay marriage, but it is said that this will happen, and looks like this generation. What a downfall, the war is till ongoing and will never stop, the ocean keeps on rising, and there are islands that are drowned and people relocating. Sh*ts aint gonna be good, good luck when you s*ck bastards faces the wrath of God. YOu guys have reversed the true nature that intents man and woman. Gay couples cant make babies, they can't create the next generation. They only can spread more HIV-AIDS...Im not hating, HOMOSEXUAL is WRONG!!!!!!

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#41741 Aug 25, 2013
The use of the story of Sodom to label a sex act is a good example of a misinterpretation and misapplication of biblical verses to demonize and dehumanize. The story of Sodom was about the Golden Rule, not about same sex relationships based on mutual love and respect.

"The primarily sexual meaning of the word sodomia for Christians did not evolve before the 6th century AD. Roman Emperor Justinian I, in his novels no. 77 (dating 538) and no. 141 (dating 559) amended to his Corpus iuris civilis, and declared that Sodom's sin had been specifically same-sex activities and desire for them. He also linked "famines, earthquakes, and pestilences" upon cities as being due to "such crimes", during a time of recent earthquakes and other disasters." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#41742 Aug 25, 2013
"There are about twenty references to the story of Sodom in the Bible, and none of them says homosexuality was the sin of Sodom. One of the most extensive references to Sodom is found in Ezekiel, which says,“This was the guilt of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. They were haughty and did abominable things before me; therefore I removed them when I saw it.”(Ezekiel 16:49-50 (See note 5.)) It is clear from this passage (and others like it (See note 6.)) that the abomination of Sodom, according to the Old Testament prophets, was that they behaved with callous indifference toward the weak and vulnerable — the poor, orphans, widows, and strangers in their midst." http://www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.org/biblica...

The point of Sodom was that you should love others, not abuse them. It was about harming them instead of treating them the way you want to be treated. It was about how you treat "the stranger at the gate." It had nothing to do with loving same sex relationships based on mutual respect and love between adults.

"Jesus and five Old Testament prophets all speak of the sins that led to the destruction of Sodom -- and not one of them mentions homosexuality. Even Billy Graham doesn't mention homosexuality when he preaches on Sodom."
"Ezekiel 16:48-49 tell us: "This is the sin of Sodom; she and her suburbs had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not help or encourage the poor and needy. They were arrogant and this was abominable in God's eyes."

"It was common for soldiers, thieves, and bullies to rape a fallen enemy, asserting their victory by dehumanizing and demeaning the vanquished. This act of raping an enemy is about power and revenge,"

And it still happens today, most notoriously in prisons. It is not about love. It is about power, control, domination, and abuse. Rape is not love.

"The sexual act that occurs in the story of Sodom is a gang rape -- and homosexuals oppose gang rape as much as anyone. That's why I believe the story of Sodom says a lot about God's will for each of us, but nothing about homosexuality as we understand it today." ( quotes from: What the Bible says - and doesn't say - about Homosexuality)

Even the English versions of this story demonstrate there was nothing that can be honestly used to condemn gay people. Many other explanations including the Jewish versions of the this story agree the message is that you should not harm others but instead, treat them with love.

"In Sodom every one who gave bread and water to the poor was condemned to death by fire (Yal&#7731;., Gen. 83). Two girls, one poor and the other rich, went to a well; and the former gave the latter her jug of water, receiving in return a vessel containing bread. When this became known, both were burned alive."
http://jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/13827-...

So when you see verses that refer to Sodomites, they are addressing those who harm others needlessly, not same sex relationships based on mutual love and respect.

And yet many are quick to claim Jesus condemned same sex relationships and use that assumption to justify causing suffering and death in His name, even though it wasn't spoken of by Jesus.

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#41743 Aug 25, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
1. Talk about gay twirl. Prop 8 was over LONG before the Regnerus study was done. Right off the bat you show deceit and ignorance!
2. Ss couples most often involve step children, not adopted children. The risk for the child? 100 times greater than in a biological home.
3. Ss couple homes will NEVER be comparable to natural families. One parent is ALWAYS missing. That is why ss couples don't qualify for marriage.
4. Again, you are being deceptive. The studies on adoptive parents showed that they spend more time with the child. Why? Because of the problems inherent in an adoptive situation. Children in an adoptive home statistically rate far below children in a natural home.
The bottom line? Ss couples always deprive a child of one gender, and at least one parent, to the detriment of the child!
Wow. Looks like someone missed the fact Prop 8 has been working its way through the courts, and was recently rejected by the Supreme Court because those opposed couldn't show that they were harmed by it. Both sides submitted briefs, and those supporting prop 8 relied heavily on the discredited Regnerus "study" in their briefs. That quote again: " The American Sociological Association’s Supreme Court brief "destroys claims made that same-sex households are inferior when it comes to raising children, which is a major argument for those pushing Prop 8. The ASA especially calls out the Mark Regnerus study, which is the recent controversial study claiming children raised in same-sex households suffer adverse effects. Supporters of Prop 8 made this study a huge part of their arguments in spite of fact that it has been discredited."

2. You have nothing to support your claim. Research shows children of same sex couples do just as well as those of opposite sex couples. Children at most risk are those who are not wanted by the new partner of the existing parent.

3. This again, is your own personal prejudice, not a reflection of reality.

4. Again, your own personal prejudice. Having opposite sex parents results in emotional and physical abuse to the point of murder for far too many children every day as the records of child protective services demonstrate. The determining factor for success is the relationship between the parent and child, not the gender of the parent.

(Hawaii Supreme Court testimony:) Dr Eggebeen (witness against marriage equality) also conceded that "gay and lesbian couples can , and do, make excellent parents" "that they are capable of raising a healthy child", and "that children of same sex couples would be helped if their families had access to or were able to receive benefits of marriage".

Dr. Charlotte Patterson: there was "no data or research which establishes that gay fathers and lesbian mothers are less capable of being good parents than non-gay people.

Dr. David Brodzinsky: The issue is not the structural variable, biological versus nonbiological, one parent versus two parent. The issue is really the process variables, how children are cared for, is the child provided warmth, it the child provided consistency of care, is the child provided a stimulated environment, is the e child given support.... and when you take a look at structural variables, there's not all that much support that structural variable in and of themselves are all that important.

Dr. Pepper Shwartz: "the primary quality of parenting is not the parenting structure, or biology, but is the nurturing relationship between parent and child."

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#41744 Aug 25, 2013
Most gay men and women are not infected with any disease.

Gay women are the lowest risk group, far behind heterosexual women and men.

Disease transmission information has always been used to demonize and dehumanize populations targeted for punishment. It was used to justify inter-racial segregation, dehumanize enemies during times of war, and continues to be used here today, despite the fact straight folks become infected with all of the same diseases, and even more straight people do all of the same things gay people do, while not all gay people do what you may imagine.

But more fundamentally, we don't deny equal rights based on disease. Because there are some who would like to do that, we have even hat to pass laws protecting people with diseases, birth defects, etc, from discrimination.

Disease transmission information demonstrates the importance of encouraging committed monogamous relationships through marriage.

It also demonstrates the importance of comprehensive education about disease transmission and risk reduction.

It fails as an excuse for denial of equal fundamental rights.

Because it provides no legitimate governmental interest, it is nothing more than an attempt to demonize, dehumanize, and rationalize harming others needlessly.
cannot be obtained

Paris, IL

#41746 Aug 25, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
...
You're username implies that there is possiblility of being "equal", when you are not. One cannot legislate equality when there is no possible way to obtain it.
cannot be obtained

Paris, IL

#41747 Aug 25, 2013
Bradley Manning is not a woman - and never can be - it is IMPOSSIBLE!

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#41748 Aug 25, 2013
cannot be obtained wrote:
<quoted text>
You're username implies that there is possiblility of being "equal", when you are not. One cannot legislate equality when there is no possible way to obtain it.
"Your" post indicates that "you're" too stupid to know the difference between "your" and "you're".

Clearly, you can't possibly be equal to us.
cannot be obtained

Paris, IL

#41749 Aug 25, 2013
Dusty Mangina wrote:
<quoted text>
"Your" post indicates that "you're" too stupid to know the difference between "your" and "you're".
Clearly, you can't possibly be equal to us.
It was an autocorrect on the smart phone there rump ranger.
giveuthetruth

Mount Vernon, IL

#41751 Aug 25, 2013
Sparkle wrote:
<quoted text>Oh maybe you didn't get the memo fucktard WE WON..
NEXT
Only thing you won f nut ,Was a trip to hell with the devil inside you ass.lol

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#41752 Aug 25, 2013
cannot be obtained wrote:
<quoted text>
It was an autocorrect on the smart phone there rump ranger.
Excellent recovery, box muncher.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#41753 Aug 25, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow. Looks like someone missed the fact Prop 8 has been working its way through the courts, and was recently rejected by the Supreme Court because those opposed couldn't show that they were harmed by it. Both sides submitted briefs, and those supporting prop 8 relied heavily on the discredited Regnerus "study" in their briefs. That quote again: " The American Sociological Association’s Supreme Court brief "destroys claims made that same-sex households are inferior when it comes to raising children, which is a major argument for those pushing Prop 8. The ASA especially calls out the Mark Regnerus study, which is the recent controversial study claiming children raised in same-sex households suffer adverse effects. Supporters of Prop 8 made this study a huge part of their arguments in spite of fact that it has been discredited."
2. You have nothing to support your claim. Research shows children of same sex couples do just as well as those of opposite sex couples. Children at most risk are those who are not wanted by the new partner of the existing parent.
3. This again, is your own personal prejudice, not a reflection of reality.
4. Again, your own personal prejudice. Having opposite sex parents results in emotional and physical abuse to the point of murder for far too many children every day as the records of child protective services demonstrate. The determining factor for success is the relationship between the parent and child, not the gender of the parent.
(Hawaii Supreme Court testimony:) Dr Eggebeen (witness against marriage equality) also conceded that "gay and lesbian couples can , and do, make excellent parents" "that they are capable of raising a healthy child", and "that children of same sex couples would be helped if their families had access to or were able to receive benefits of marriage".
Dr. Charlotte Patterson: there was "no data or research which establishes that gay fathers and lesbian mothers are less capable of being good parents than non-gay people.
Dr. David Brodzinsky: The issue is not the structural variable, biological versus nonbiological, one parent versus two parent. The issue is really the process variables, how children are cared for, is the child provided warmth, it the child provided consistency of care, is the child provided a stimulated environment, is the e child given support.... and when you take a look at structural variables, there's not all that much support that structural variable in and of themselves are all that important.
Dr. Pepper Shwartz: "the primary quality of parenting is not the parenting structure, or biology, but is the nurturing relationship between parent and child."
More of the PC bias.

Studies consistently show biological parents statistically provide the best outcomes for children BY FAR.

Moreover, the lesbian studies (their are no gay couple study comparisons), have been shown to be bias and unscientific.

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#41754 Aug 25, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
More of the PC bias.
Studies consistently show biological parents statistically provide the best outcomes for children BY FAR.
Moreover, the lesbian studies (their are no gay couple study comparisons), have been shown to be bias <sic> and unscientific.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you'd much rather have children in an orphanage or foster home than with a loving gay family. That's because you don't really give a crap about kids. You're more interested in denigrating gay families.

Troll on, KIMERDE.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#41755 Aug 25, 2013
Dusty Mangina wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you'd much rather have children in an orphanage or foster home than with a loving gay family. That's because you don't really give a crap about kids. You're more interested in denigrating gay families.
Troll on, KIMERDE.
A lie imbedded in a whine.

I'd rather have children with their mother and father. If that isn't possible, I'd rather have them with a substitute mother and father, the way nature designed.

You would deprive a child of that so you can fabricate a fake family for a fraudulent marriage.

Sad and sick.

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youaidslover

Mount Vernon, IL

#41756 Aug 25, 2013
Sparkle wrote:
<quoted text>Ummmmmm the supreme court ruled in favor of gay marriage.... maybe you missed that
You must be to busy today with your Johnson bar's stuck up your lover's brown eye. When you get done they can stick it in your mouth to get the shit stains off of it !

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Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#41757 Aug 25, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
A lie imbedded in a whine.
I'd rather have children with their mother and father. If that isn't possible, I'd rather have them with a substitute mother and father, the way nature designed.
You would deprive a child of that so you can fabricate a fake family for a fraudulent marriage.
Sad and sick.
Again, you'd rather have them in foster care or orphanages than with a loving gay family. It's ok, just admit to it.

Troll on, Kimerde.

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