Ill. House Approves Legalizing Same-Sex Civil Unions

Nov 30, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: CBS2

The Illinois House has approved a measure to legalize civil unions for same-sex couples.

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More anti-gay "twirl", distorting reality to fit your prejudice, just like the Regnerus "study". The American Sociological Associationís Supreme Court brief "destroys claims made that same-sex households are inferior when it comes to raising children, which is a major argument for those pushing Prop 8. The ASA especially calls out the Mark Regnerus study, which is the recent controversial study claiming children raised in same-sex households suffer adverse effects. Supporters of Prop 8 made this study a huge part of their arguments in spite of fact that it has been discredited."
Cinderella effect data is based on step parent and even mom's casual boyfriend data, not same sex families or adoptive straight families. These families are very different. The data does not hold up for adoptive parents.
You are attempting to compare families that have experienced divorce and re blending to families where the relationship of the parents has remained intact for the life of the child. Intact marriages are not the same as families of divorce and remarriage.
Adoption is not the same as a step child relationship:
"Although remarriage of a father or mother can have bad consequences for children, when a couple adopts a baby unrelated to either of them its prospects are much brighter... parents treat their adopted children just as well as biological children."
"Two recent studies help to clarify the issue of how well adoptive children are treated. The first, published in 2007, found that children in adoptive households are treated better than children in homes with two genetic parents."
Whatever the reasons for the Cinderella effect, it is now quite clear that it is not triggered by a lack of genetic relationship. After all, adoptive parents take better care of children than birth parents do. It seems that caring for children, related or not, involves a deep human need that is better satisfied by adoption than step-parenting." http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-human...

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More anti-gay "twirl", distorting reality to fit your prejudice, just like the Regnerus "study". The American Sociological Associationís Supreme Court brief "destroys claims made that same-sex households are inferior when it comes to raising children, which is a major argument for those pushing Prop 8. The ASA especially calls out the Mark Regnerus study, which is the recent controversial study claiming children raised in same-sex households suffer adverse effects. Supporters of Prop 8 made this study a huge part of their arguments in spite of fact that it has been discredited."
Cinderella effect data is based on step parent and even mom's casual boyfriend data, not same sex families or adoptive straight families. These families are very different. The data does not hold up for adoptive parents.
You are attempting to compare families that have experienced divorce and re blending to families where the relationship of the parents has remained intact for the life of the child. Intact marriages are not the same as families of divorce and remarriage.
Adoption is not the same as a step child relationship:
"Although remarriage of a father or mother can have bad consequences for children, when a couple adopts a baby unrelated to either of them its prospects are much brighter... parents treat their adopted children just as well as biological children."
"Two recent studies help to clarify the issue of how well adoptive children are treated. The first, published in 2007, found that children in adoptive households are treated better than children in homes with two genetic parents."
Whatever the reasons for the Cinderella effect, it is now quite clear that it is not triggered by a lack of genetic relationship. After all, adoptive parents take better care of children than birth parents do. It seems that caring for children, related or not, involves a deep human need that is better satisfied by adoption than step-parenting." http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-human...
1. Talk about gay twirl. Prop 8 was over LONG before the Regnerus study was done. Right off the bat you show deceit and ignorance!

2. Ss couples most often involve step children, not adopted children. The risk for the child? 100 times greater than in a biological home.

3. Ss couple homes will NEVER be comparable to natural families. One parent is ALWAYS missing. That is why ss couples don't qualify for marriage.

4. Again, you are being deceptive. The studies on adoptive parents showed that they spend more time with the child. Why? Because of the problems inherent in an adoptive situation. Children in an adoptive home statistically rate far below children in a natural home.

The bottom line? Ss couples always deprive a child of one gender, and at least one parent, to the detriment of the child!
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Not Yet Equal wrote:
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More anti-gay "twirl", distorting reality to fit your prejudice, just like the Regnerus "study". The American Sociological Associationís Supreme Court brief "destroys claims made that same-sex households are inferior when it comes to raising children, which is a major argument for those pushing Prop 8. The ASA especially calls out the Mark Regnerus study, which is the recent controversial study claiming children raised in same-sex households suffer adverse effects. Supporters of Prop 8 made this study a huge part of their arguments in spite of fact that it has been discredited."
Cinderella effect data is based on step parent and even mom's casual boyfriend data, not same sex families or adoptive straight families. These families are very different. The data does not hold up for adoptive parents.
You are attempting to compare families that have experienced divorce and re blending to families where the relationship of the parents has remained intact for the life of the child. Intact marriages are not the same as families of divorce and remarriage.
Adoption is not the same as a step child relationship:
"Although remarriage of a father or mother can have bad consequences for children, when a couple adopts a baby unrelated to either of them its prospects are much brighter... parents treat their adopted children just as well as biological children."
"Two recent studies help to clarify the issue of how well adoptive children are treated. The first, published in 2007, found that children in adoptive households are treated better than children in homes with two genetic parents."
Whatever the reasons for the Cinderella effect, it is now quite clear that it is not triggered by a lack of genetic relationship. After all, adoptive parents take better care of children than birth parents do. It seems that caring for children, related or not, involves a deep human need that is better satisfied by adoption than step-parenting." http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-human...
All the gay's should be fixed. Then their will be less aids !

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<quoted text> All the gay's should be fixed. Then their will be less aids !
And yet the vast majority of AID's cases world wide are of a heterosexual nature! So,is it now time to fix you so there will be less AID's? Say,yur kina stewpid aren't you? D-U-H

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Opiate Of The Masses wrote:
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And yet the vast majority of AID's cases world wide are of a heterosexual nature! So,is it now time to fix you so there will be less AID's? Say,yur kina stewpid aren't you? D-U-H
And yet the vast percentage of AID's cases world-wide are within the 2% gay population. Moreover, the highest percentage increases are still within the gay culture.

You were saying something about stupid???

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KiMare wrote:
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And yet the vast percentage of AID's cases world-wide are within the 2% gay population. Moreover, the highest percentage increases are still within the gay culture.
You were saying something about stupid???
I've said it before, KiMerde, and I'll say it again...

If you were truly concerned about STD's, then you'd be an advocate of SSM. Again, you reveal yourself to be nothing more than the TOPIX AssTroll.

At any rate, STD's have nothing to do with the forum...

Troll on, KiMerde.
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You dumb sh*ts homosexual is immoral and Aid's was born when gay sex began. what happen to the america that was built on God. America came to be from you ancestors who devote to God. Now look at you America...going down the gutter...soon China will beat you...We're facing the end of times and history repeats itself, as God destroyed Sodom & Gomorrah because homosexuality so will he destroy America.
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blast wrote:
You dumb sh*ts homosexual is immoral and Aid's was born when gay sex began. what happen to the america that was built on God. America came to be from you ancestors who devote to God. Now look at you America...going down the gutter...soon China will beat you...We're facing the end of times and history repeats itself, as God destroyed Sodom & Gomorrah because homosexuality so will he destroy America.
Got Stupid????? This morazz here Blast, got tons of it...I'm surprised he can even hold his head up with all that stupid between his ears
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Opiate Of The Masses wrote:
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And yet the vast majority of AID's cases world wide are of a heterosexual nature! So,is it now time to fix you so there will be less AID's? Say,yur kina stewpid aren't you? D-U-H
Came to the usa in the early 80s .Gay men in the new York and California suddenly began to develop rare opportunistic infections! Now I hope you get hiv 1 .And rot in hell.So the devil can butt f u 24-7!
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I've said it before, KiMerde, and I'll say it again...
If you were truly concerned about STD's, then you'd be an advocate of SSM. Again, you reveal yourself to be nothing more than the TOPIX AssTroll.
At any rate, STD's have nothing to do with the forum...
Troll on, KiMerde.
Rot in hell will the hiv 1 ,And the devil can push in your eye 24-7 !
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Got Stupid????? This morazz here Blast, got tons of it...I'm surprised he can even hold his head up with all that stupid between his ears
When you die from hiv 1. You can have the devil between your buns ,24-7 !
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youaidslover wrote:
<quoted text>When you die from hiv 1. You can have the devil between your buns ,24-7 !
If this is an example of the discourse of the "anti-gay-marriage" faction--no wonder you LOST.
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If this is an example of the discourse of the "anti-gay-marriage" faction--no wonder you LOST.
Oh maybe you didn't get the memo fucktard WE WON..

NEXT
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<quoted text>Oh maybe you didn't get the memo fucktard WE WON..
NEXT
Lol. Not according to the Supreme Court of these United States it seems.

NEXT.
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Lol. Not according to the Supreme Court of these United States it seems.
NEXT.
Ummmmmm the supreme court ruled in favor of gay marriage.... maybe you missed that
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It's no wonder why strange things are happening. Looks like the book of Revelations is correct. Everything the book has mention about is happening. Though I disagree with the legalization of gay marriage, but it is said that this will happen, and looks like this generation. What a downfall, the war is till ongoing and will never stop, the ocean keeps on rising, and there are islands that are drowned and people relocating. Sh*ts aint gonna be good, good luck when you s*ck bastards faces the wrath of God. YOu guys have reversed the true nature that intents man and woman. Gay couples cant make babies, they can't create the next generation. They only can spread more HIV-AIDS...Im not hating, HOMOSEXUAL is WRONG!!!!!!

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The use of the story of Sodom to label a sex act is a good example of a misinterpretation and misapplication of biblical verses to demonize and dehumanize. The story of Sodom was about the Golden Rule, not about same sex relationships based on mutual love and respect.

"The primarily sexual meaning of the word sodomia for Christians did not evolve before the 6th century AD. Roman Emperor Justinian I, in his novels no. 77 (dating 538) and no. 141 (dating 559) amended to his Corpus iuris civilis, and declared that Sodom's sin had been specifically same-sex activities and desire for them. He also linked "famines, earthquakes, and pestilences" upon cities as being due to "such crimes", during a time of recent earthquakes and other disasters." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy

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"There are about twenty references to the story of Sodom in the Bible, and none of them says homosexuality was the sin of Sodom. One of the most extensive references to Sodom is found in Ezekiel, which says,ďThis was the guilt of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. They were haughty and did abominable things before me; therefore I removed them when I saw it.Ē(Ezekiel 16:49-50 (See note 5.)) It is clear from this passage (and others like it (See note 6.)) that the abomination of Sodom, according to the Old Testament prophets, was that they behaved with callous indifference toward the weak and vulnerable ó the poor, orphans, widows, and strangers in their midst." http://www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.org/biblica...

The point of Sodom was that you should love others, not abuse them. It was about harming them instead of treating them the way you want to be treated. It was about how you treat "the stranger at the gate." It had nothing to do with loving same sex relationships based on mutual respect and love between adults.

"Jesus and five Old Testament prophets all speak of the sins that led to the destruction of Sodom -- and not one of them mentions homosexuality. Even Billy Graham doesn't mention homosexuality when he preaches on Sodom."
"Ezekiel 16:48-49 tell us: "This is the sin of Sodom; she and her suburbs had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not help or encourage the poor and needy. They were arrogant and this was abominable in God's eyes."

"It was common for soldiers, thieves, and bullies to rape a fallen enemy, asserting their victory by dehumanizing and demeaning the vanquished. This act of raping an enemy is about power and revenge,"

And it still happens today, most notoriously in prisons. It is not about love. It is about power, control, domination, and abuse. Rape is not love.

"The sexual act that occurs in the story of Sodom is a gang rape -- and homosexuals oppose gang rape as much as anyone. That's why I believe the story of Sodom says a lot about God's will for each of us, but nothing about homosexuality as we understand it today." ( quotes from: What the Bible says - and doesn't say - about Homosexuality)

Even the English versions of this story demonstrate there was nothing that can be honestly used to condemn gay people. Many other explanations including the Jewish versions of the this story agree the message is that you should not harm others but instead, treat them with love.

"In Sodom every one who gave bread and water to the poor was condemned to death by fire (Yal&#7731;., Gen. 83). Two girls, one poor and the other rich, went to a well; and the former gave the latter her jug of water, receiving in return a vessel containing bread. When this became known, both were burned alive."
http://jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/13827-...

So when you see verses that refer to Sodomites, they are addressing those who harm others needlessly, not same sex relationships based on mutual love and respect.

And yet many are quick to claim Jesus condemned same sex relationships and use that assumption to justify causing suffering and death in His name, even though it wasn't spoken of by Jesus.

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KiMare wrote:
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1. Talk about gay twirl. Prop 8 was over LONG before the Regnerus study was done. Right off the bat you show deceit and ignorance!
2. Ss couples most often involve step children, not adopted children. The risk for the child? 100 times greater than in a biological home.
3. Ss couple homes will NEVER be comparable to natural families. One parent is ALWAYS missing. That is why ss couples don't qualify for marriage.
4. Again, you are being deceptive. The studies on adoptive parents showed that they spend more time with the child. Why? Because of the problems inherent in an adoptive situation. Children in an adoptive home statistically rate far below children in a natural home.
The bottom line? Ss couples always deprive a child of one gender, and at least one parent, to the detriment of the child!
Wow. Looks like someone missed the fact Prop 8 has been working its way through the courts, and was recently rejected by the Supreme Court because those opposed couldn't show that they were harmed by it. Both sides submitted briefs, and those supporting prop 8 relied heavily on the discredited Regnerus "study" in their briefs. That quote again: " The American Sociological Associationís Supreme Court brief "destroys claims made that same-sex households are inferior when it comes to raising children, which is a major argument for those pushing Prop 8. The ASA especially calls out the Mark Regnerus study, which is the recent controversial study claiming children raised in same-sex households suffer adverse effects. Supporters of Prop 8 made this study a huge part of their arguments in spite of fact that it has been discredited."

2. You have nothing to support your claim. Research shows children of same sex couples do just as well as those of opposite sex couples. Children at most risk are those who are not wanted by the new partner of the existing parent.

3. This again, is your own personal prejudice, not a reflection of reality.

4. Again, your own personal prejudice. Having opposite sex parents results in emotional and physical abuse to the point of murder for far too many children every day as the records of child protective services demonstrate. The determining factor for success is the relationship between the parent and child, not the gender of the parent.

(Hawaii Supreme Court testimony:) Dr Eggebeen (witness against marriage equality) also conceded that "gay and lesbian couples can , and do, make excellent parents" "that they are capable of raising a healthy child", and "that children of same sex couples would be helped if their families had access to or were able to receive benefits of marriage".

Dr. Charlotte Patterson: there was "no data or research which establishes that gay fathers and lesbian mothers are less capable of being good parents than non-gay people.

Dr. David Brodzinsky: The issue is not the structural variable, biological versus nonbiological, one parent versus two parent. The issue is really the process variables, how children are cared for, is the child provided warmth, it the child provided consistency of care, is the child provided a stimulated environment, is the e child given support.... and when you take a look at structural variables, there's not all that much support that structural variable in and of themselves are all that important.

Dr. Pepper Shwartz: "the primary quality of parenting is not the parenting structure, or biology, but is the nurturing relationship between parent and child."

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