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The Illinois House has approved a measure to legalize civil unions for same-sex couples.

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Since: Mar 07

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#37871 Feb 22, 2013
fact wrote:
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Our country was founded "under God". It even says so in our pledge of allegiance, you know the thing they make kids recite every day at the start of school.........
Wasn't that line ADDED in the 50"s?

“"And Stay Off"”

Since: May 12

Tempe Arizona

#37872 Feb 22, 2013
Quest wrote:
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Wasn't that line ADDED in the 50"s?
Why yes it was! Same with the "In God we trust" on our dollar bills and coined also! I bet the author of the pledge is rolling over in his grave at the way they butcherd his pledge with out his permission! It was done during the Eisenhower administration and was ram rodded through by a group of fundamentalist Christians! Fact! LOL

Since: Jun 11

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#37873 Feb 22, 2013
Quest wrote:
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Wasn't that line ADDED in the 50"s?
Yes. The push by religious factions to add "under God" became popular during the McCarthey era of anti-gay, anti-communist fear mongering. It was officially added in 1954.

In 1951 and 1952, the Knights of Columbus adopted resolutions incorporating the new "under God" language into the recitation of the pledge at their various meetings.

"The Presbyterian Reverend George M. Docherty, who counted then-President Eisenhower among his congregation, was seen as influential in pushing the change." [Source: Slate.com ]

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#37874 Feb 22, 2013
Quest wrote:
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Wasn't that line ADDED in the 50"s?
I find it ironic that it was added just before the word "indivisible", and yet is itself a divisive addition.

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#37875 Feb 22, 2013
The law trumps personal beliefs about what marriage is, has been, or should be.

Legally, marriage it is a fundamental right of all persons.

The only eligibility requirement for fundamental rights is being human.

Reasonable restrictions may be made only when a compelling and legitimate governmental interest can withstand judicial scrutiny. Most can agree with the courts that reasonable restrictions include age, ability to demonstrate informed consent, and not being closely related or currently married. Within those limits, gay people qualify. Gender restrictions have been shown to be irrational and harmful.

Procreation ability has never been a requirement for marriage, and therefore fails as a legitimate excuse for denial of equal treatment under the law. Yet even that irrational excuse for discrimination ignores the fact that gay people can and do reproduce, and are raising children either biologically related or adopted.

Denial of equal treatment under the law provides no benefit to opposite sex couple families. It only harms same sex couple families needlessly.
observation

Saint Louis, MO

#37877 Feb 22, 2013
I keep seeing "the government must treat all people equally"..........that statement is both untrue and
unrealistic.
There is NOTHING fair about life.
Mojo

Chicago, IL

#37878 Feb 22, 2013
observation wrote:
I keep seeing "the government must treat all people equally"..........that statement is both untrue and
unrealistic.
There is NOTHING fair about life.
Hahahah what nonsense. Life does not treat all people equally, that doesn't mean the government doesn't have to.

You could justify the worst of crimes with that logic.
observation

Saint Louis, MO

#37879 Feb 22, 2013
The government DOES NOT treat all equally.
Grow up!
Mojo wrote:
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Hahahah what nonsense. Life does not treat all people equally, that doesn't mean the government doesn't have to.
You could justify the worst of crimes with that logic.
Mojo

Chicago, IL

#37880 Feb 22, 2013
observation wrote:
The government DOES NOT treat all equally.
Grow up!
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You're right, and they should. I don't get you're point.

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#37882 Feb 22, 2013
Cool Hand Luke wrote:
Discriminate?
Oh look, Kimare's sock puppet is back. Someone said something to piss her off, so she dragged out CHL (Drool Gland Puke).
I will get you

Marion, IL

#37884 Feb 22, 2013
Ash and fe are a sweet couple. They are perfect together so happy for them.
Quest

Drakes Branch, VA

#37885 Feb 22, 2013
observation wrote:
I keep seeing "the government must treat all people equally"..........that statement is both untrue and
unrealistic.
There is NOTHING fair about life.
Actually, equal protection under the law IS guaranteed to all Americans, unless there is a valid state interest to do otherwise.
Dr Pepper

Marion, IL

#37886 Feb 22, 2013
Amen!

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#37887 Feb 23, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
The law trumps personal beliefs about what marriage is, has been, or should be.
Legally, marriage it is a fundamental right of all persons.
The only eligibility requirement for fundamental rights is being human.
Reasonable restrictions may be made only when a compelling and legitimate governmental interest can withstand judicial scrutiny. Most can agree with the courts that reasonable restrictions include age, ability to demonstrate informed consent, and not being closely related or currently married. Within those limits, gay people qualify. Gender restrictions have been shown to be irrational and harmful.
Procreation ability has never been a requirement for marriage, and therefore fails as a legitimate excuse for denial of equal treatment under the law. Yet even that irrational excuse for discrimination ignores the fact that gay people can and do reproduce, and are raising children either biologically related or adopted.
Denial of equal treatment under the law provides no benefit to opposite sex couple families. It only harms same sex couple families needlessly.
To equate rights, you have to establish identity.

At the most basic essence, marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.

Gay couples are clearly a defective contradiction to mating.

If you want to dumb down marriage to a friendship, you leave the distinction of mating behavior with no term, and redundantly equate marriage with friendship.

Simply silly stupid.

Smirk.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#37888 Feb 23, 2013
KiMare wrote:
Gay couples are clearly a defective contradiction to mating.
Only straight people bear the curse of childbirth because they ate the forbidden fruit
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Genesis 3:16> Unto the woman he said, "I will greatly multiply thy sorowe and thy conception. In sorow thou shalt bring forth children: and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and hee shall rule ouer thee."
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Gays are exempt

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#37889 Feb 23, 2013
Rainbow Kid wrote:
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Only straight people bear the curse of childbirth because they ate the forbidden fruit
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Genesis 3:16> Unto the woman he said, "I will greatly multiply thy sorowe and thy conception. In sorow thou shalt bring forth children: and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and hee shall rule ouer thee."
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Gays are exempt
You are attempting (poorly) to use the Bible for a defense of evolution? Really.

According to the Bible, procreation was the original design. The consequence of eating the forbidden fruit was death.

The assertion that childbirth is a curse is silly stupid. Procreation is the sole source of human fruit. The species would disappear if it were dependent on gay couples...

Snicker.
regularguy

Urbana, IL

#37890 Feb 23, 2013
cool..now we can work on marrying our pet...

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#37891 Feb 23, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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... The species would disappear if it were dependent on gay couples...
Snicker.
But it's not, of course, and never would be. Any more than the survival of the species rests on those who are infertile, past childbearing age, or choose not to have children.

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#37892 Feb 23, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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To equate rights, you have to establish identity.
A......
Identity as human and American has already been established.

Next.

Since: Mar 07

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#37893 Feb 23, 2013
regularguy wrote:
cool..now we can work on marrying our pet...
When your pet can understand and sign a legal contract, you can marry it.

However, normal folks don't have your problem understanding the difference between humans and animals.

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