Ill. House Approves Legalizing Same-Sex Civil Unions

Nov 30, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: CBS2

The Illinois House has approved a measure to legalize civil unions for same-sex couples.

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"The Court finds that neither Congress' claimed legislative justifications nor any of the proposed reasons proffered by BLAG constitute bases rationally related to any of the alleged governmental interests. Further, after concluding that neither the law nor the record can sustain any of the interests suggested, the Court, having tried on its own, cannot conceive of any additional interests that DOMA might further."

"Prejudice, we are beginning to understand, rises not from malice or hostile animus alone. It may result as well from insensitivity caused by simple want of careful, rational reflection or from some instinctive mechanism to guard against people who appear to be different in some respects from ourselves."

Conclusion: DOMA, as it relates to Golinski's case, "violates her right to equal protection of the law under the Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution" (Golinski)

“As irrational prejudice plainly never constitutes a legitimate government interest, this court must hold that Section 3 of DOMA as applied to Plaintiffs violates the equal protection principles embodied in the Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution.”(Gill)

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"Everybody's journey is individual. If you fall in love with a boy, you fall in love with a boy. The fact that many Americans consider it a disease says more about them than it does about homosexuality."
James A. Baldwin
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Blonde rant.
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They recognize that among numerous distinctions, marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.
And like numerous other relationships, gay couples not only fail in that basic essence of marriage, they are a defective, desolate contradiction. Literally 'unmarriage'.
That the term 'gay marriage' is an oxymoron....
Smile.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

You can't stop an avalanche as it races down the hill
You can try to stop the seasons, girl, but you know you never will
And you can try to stop my dancin' feet, but I just cannot stand still!

'Cause the world keeps spinnin' round and round
And my heart's keepin' time to the speed of sound
I was lost 'til I heard the drums, and I found my way
'Cause you can't stop the beat

Ever since this whole world began
A woman found out if she shook it, she could shake up a man
And so I'm gonna shake and shimmy it the best that I can today
'Cause you can't stop the motion of the ocean or the sun in the sky
You can wonder if you wanna, but I'll never ask why
And if you try to hold me down, I'm gonna spit in your eye and say
That You Can't Stop the Beat!

You can't stop the river as it rushes to the sea
You can try to stop the hands of time, but you know it just can't be!
And if they try to stop us, Seaweed, I'll call the N double A C P

Cause the world keeps spinnin round and round
And my heart's keepin time to the speed of sound
I was lost 'til I heard the drums, then I found my way
Cause you can't stop the beat!

Ever since we first saw the light
A man and woman like to shake it on a Saturday night
So I'm gonna shake and shimmy it with all of my might today
Cause you can't stop the motion of the ocean, or the rain from above
You can try to stop the paradise were dreamin' of
But you cannot stop the rhythm of two hearts in love to stay
'Cause you can't stop the beat!

You can't stop my happiness, cause I like the way I am
And you just can't stop my knife and fork when I see a Christmas Ham!
And if you don't like the way I look, well, I just don't give a damn!

Cause the world keeps spinnin' round and round
And my hearts keepin time to the speed of sound
I was lost 'til I heard the drums, then I found my way

Cause you can't stop the beat...

Ever since this whole world began
A woman found out if she shook it she could shake up a man
So I'm gonna shake and shimmy it the best that I can today!
Cause you can't stop the motion of the ocean or the sun in the sky
You can wonder if you wanna but I'll never ask why
And if you try to hold me down, I'm gonna spit in your eye and say
That you can't stop the beat!

Oh, Oh, Oh
You can't stop today [No!]
As it comes speeding 'round the track [oooh, child yes!]
Yesterday is hist'ry [be gone!]
And it's never comin' back![Look ahead, cause...]
Tomorrow is a brand new day, and it don't know white from black [Yeah!]

'Cause the world keeps spinnin' round and round
And my heart's keepin time to the speed of sound
I was lost 'til I heard the drums, then I found my way
'Cause you can't stop the beat!

Ever since we first saw the light,
A man and woman like to shake it on a Saturday night
So I'm gonna shake and shimmy it with all of my might today!
Cause you can't stop the motion of the ocean, or the rain from above
And you can try to stop the paradise we're dreamin' of
But you cannot stop the rhythm of two hearts in love to stay
'Cause you can't stop the beat!

Aah, aah, aah,
Ahh, ahh, ahh
Ahh, ahh, ahh ahh

Ever since we first saw the light
A man and woman like to shake it on a saturday night
But now we're gonna shake and shimmy it and have some fun today!
Cause you can't stop the Motion of the ocean or the rain from above
You can try to stop the paradise were dreamin of
But you cannot stop the rhythm of two hearts in love to stay!
Cause you can't stop the beat!
You can't stop the beat
You can't stop the beat

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Saluki Rod wrote:
I wonder how long it'll take the Neo-Nazi Far Right Christians to mobilize against this? It's just letting gays be married, what's the big freaking deal? I'm straight, and see no harm to society.
www.scribd.com/doc/31322017...

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Not Yet Equal wrote:
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Both the 5th and 14th amendments require equal treatment for all persons under the law. The Golden Rule is not just a promise of the founding documents, it is required by the constitution. As procreation is not a legal requirement, no one has presented a legitimate governmental interest sufficient for denial of the fundamental right of marriage.
"In the court’s final analysis, the government’s only basis for supporting DOMA comes down to an apparent belief that the moral views of the majority may properly be enacted as the law of the land in regard to state-sanctioned same-sex marriage in disregard of the personal status and living conditions of a significant segment of our pluralistic society. Such a view is not consistent with the evidence or the law as embodied in the Fifth Amendment with respect to the thoughts expressed in this decision. The court has no doubt about its conclusion: DOMA deprives them of the equal protection of the law to which they are entitled."
SCOTUS has disagreed numerous times, not on a moral basis ever.

The differences between marriage with/without kids and gay couples;
A apple tree bearing fruit.
A apple tree not bearing fruit for some reason.
A walnut tree who never bears any fruit wanting to be a apple tree.
A walnut tree hanging apples on it's branches pretending to be a apple tree.

The claim that if the government doesn't 'require' apple trees to bear fruit, then it is discrimination not to call walnut trees apple trees too is simply silly.

Marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.

Gay couples do not just fail in the primary essence of marriage, out of all relationships, they are the oxymoron of marriage.

Moreover, if you remove the element of procreation, you dumb down marriage to just a friendship. Hardly a cause for government interest, let alone selective discrimination.

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Tracy Turnblad wrote:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch...
You can't stop an avalanche as it races down the hill
You can try to stop the seasons, girl, but you know you never will
And you can try to stop my dancin' feet, but I just cannot stand still!
'Cause the world keeps spinnin' round and round
And my heart's keepin' time to the speed of sound
I was lost 'til I heard the drums, and I found my way
'Cause you can't stop the beat
Ever since this whole world began
A woman found out if she shook it, she could shake up a man
And so I'm gonna shake and shimmy it the best that I can today
'Cause you can't stop the motion of the ocean or the sun in the sky
You can wonder if you wanna, but I'll never ask why
And if you try to hold me down, I'm gonna spit in your eye and say
That You Can't Stop the Beat!
You can't stop the river as it rushes to the sea
You can try to stop the hands of time, but you know it just can't be!
And if they try to stop us, Seaweed, I'll call the N double A C P
Cause the world keeps spinnin round and round
And my heart's keepin time to the speed of sound
I was lost 'til I heard the drums, then I found my way
Cause you can't stop the beat!
Ever since we first saw the light
A man and woman like to shake it on a Saturday night
So I'm gonna shake and shimmy it with all of my might today
Cause you can't stop the motion of the ocean, or the rain from above
You can try to stop the paradise were dreamin' of
But you cannot stop the rhythm of two hearts in love to stay
'Cause you can't stop the beat!
You can't stop my happiness, cause I like the way I am
And you just can't stop my knife and fork when I see a Christmas Ham!
And if you don't like the way I look, well, I just don't give a damn!
Cause the world keeps spinnin' round and round
And my hearts keepin time to the speed of sound
I was lost 'til I heard the drums, then I found my way
Cause you can't stop the beat...
Ever since this whole world began
A woman found out if she shook it she could shake up a man
So I'm gonna shake and shimmy it the best that I can today!
Cause you can't stop the motion of the ocean or the sun in the sky
You can wonder if you wanna but I'll never ask why
And if you try to hold me down, I'm gonna spit in your eye and say
That you can't stop the beat!
Oh, Oh, Oh
You can't stop today [No!]
As it comes speeding 'round the track [oooh, child yes!]
Yesterday is hist'ry [be gone!]
And it's never comin' back![Look ahead, cause...]
Tomorrow is a brand new day, and it don't know white from black [Yeah!]
'Cause the world keeps spinnin' round and round
And my heart's keepin time to the speed of sound
I was lost 'til I heard the drums, then I found my way
'Cause you can't stop the beat!
Ever since we first saw the light,
A man and woman like to shake it on a Saturday night
So I'm gonna shake and shimmy it with all of my might today!
Cause you can't stop the motion of the ocean, or the rain from above
And you can try to stop the paradise we're dreamin' of
But you cannot stop the rhythm of two hearts in love to stay
'Cause you can't stop the beat!
Aah, aah, aah,
Ahh, ahh, ahh
Ahh, ahh, ahh ahh
Ever since we first saw the light
A man and woman like to shake it on a saturday night
But now we're gonna shake and shimmy it and have some fun today!
Cause you can't stop the Motion of the ocean or the rain from above
You can try to stop the paradise were dreamin of
But you cannot stop the rhythm of two hearts in love to stay!
Cause you can't stop the beat!
You can't stop the beat
You can't stop the beat
Basically you are claiming that denial and deceit are unstoppable.

A lie may take care of the present, but it has no future.

Smile.

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Tracy Turnblad wrote:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch...
You can't stop an avalanche as it races down the hill
You can try to stop the seasons, girl, but you know you never will
And you can try to stop my dancin' feet, but I just cannot stand still!
'Cause the world keeps spinnin' round and round
And my heart's keepin' time to the speed of sound
I was lost 'til I heard the drums, and I found my way
'Cause you can't stop the beat
Ever since this whole world began
A woman found out if she shook it, she could shake up a man
And so I'm gonna shake and shimmy it the best that I can today
'Cause you can't stop the motion of the ocean or the sun in the sky
You can wonder if you wanna, but I'll never ask why
And if you try to hold me down, I'm gonna spit in your eye and say
That You Can't Stop the Beat!
You can't stop the river as it rushes to the sea
You can try to stop the hands of time, but you know it just can't be!
And if they try to stop us, Seaweed, I'll call the N double A C P
Cause the world keeps spinnin round and round
And my heart's keepin time to the speed of sound
I was lost 'til I heard the drums, then I found my way
Cause you can't stop the beat!
Ever since we first saw the light
A man and woman like to shake it on a Saturday night
So I'm gonna shake and shimmy it with all of my might today
Cause you can't stop the motion of the ocean, or the rain from above
You can try to stop the paradise were dreamin' of
But you cannot stop the rhythm of two hearts in love to stay
'Cause you can't stop the beat!
You can't stop my happiness, cause I like the way I am
And you just can't stop my knife and fork when I see a Christmas Ham!
And if you don't like the way I look, well, I just don't give a damn!
Cause the world keeps spinnin' round and round
And my hearts keepin time to the speed of sound
I was lost 'til I heard the drums, then I found my way
Cause you can't stop the beat...
Ever since this whole world began
A woman found out if she shook it she could shake up a man
So I'm gonna shake and shimmy it the best that I can today!
Cause you can't stop the motion of the ocean or the sun in the sky
You can wonder if you wanna but I'll never ask why
And if you try to hold me down, I'm gonna spit in your eye and say
That you can't stop the beat!
Oh, Oh, Oh
You can't stop today [No!]
As it comes speeding 'round the track [oooh, child yes!]
Yesterday is hist'ry [be gone!]
And it's never comin' back![Look ahead, cause...]
Tomorrow is a brand new day, and it don't know white from black [Yeah!]
'Cause the world keeps spinnin' round and round
And my heart's keepin time to the speed of sound
I was lost 'til I heard the drums, then I found my way
'Cause you can't stop the beat!
Ever since we first saw the light,
A man and woman like to shake it on a Saturday night
So I'm gonna shake and shimmy it with all of my might today!
Cause you can't stop the motion of the ocean, or the rain from above
And you can try to stop the paradise we're dreamin' of
But you cannot stop the rhythm of two hearts in love to stay
'Cause you can't stop the beat!
Aah, aah, aah,
Ahh, ahh, ahh
Ahh, ahh, ahh ahh
Ever since we first saw the light
A man and woman like to shake it on a saturday night
But now we're gonna shake and shimmy it and have some fun today!
Cause you can't stop the Motion of the ocean or the rain from above
You can try to stop the paradise were dreamin of
But you cannot stop the rhythm of two hearts in love to stay!
Cause you can't stop the beat!
You can't stop the beat
You can't stop the beat
Do you have a logical reasoned answer to this;

Marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.
And like numerous other relationships, gay couples not only fail in that basic essence of marriage, they are a defective, desolate contradiction. Literally 'unmarriage'.
The term 'gay marriage' is an oxymoron....
Smile.
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KiMare wrote:
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Do you have a logical reasoned answer to this;
Marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.
And like numerous other relationships, gay couples not only fail in that basic essence of marriage, they are a defective, desolate contradiction. Literally 'unmarriage'.
The term 'gay marriage' is an oxymoron....
Smile.
Why would I attempt to provide a logical answer to an illogical statement?

You can't stop the beat, baby.

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Tracy Turnblad wrote:
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Why would I attempt to provide a logical answer to an illogical statement?
You can't stop the beat, baby.
Coward.
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KiMare wrote:
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Coward.
Troll.

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Gregory twirls and spins wrote:
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Troll.
Just the facts honey.

Marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.
And like numerous other relationships, gay couples not only fail in that basic essence of marriage, they are a defective, desolate contradiction. Literally 'unmarriage'.
The term 'gay marriage' is an oxymoron....
Smile.

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KiMare wrote:
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Just the facts honey.
Marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.
And like numerous other relationships, gay couples not only fail in that basic essence of marriage, they are a defective, desolate contradiction. Literally 'unmarriage'.
The term 'gay marriage' is an oxymoron....
Smile.
Keep on little parrot... just repeating the same stuff. You are just showing us how small your brain is and how hard it is for you to logically think about anything. Polly want a cracker?

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TXgurl wrote:
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Keep on little parrot... just repeating the same stuff. You are just showing us how small your brain is and how hard it is for you to logically think about anything. Polly want a cracker?
The truth never changes honey.

The differences between marriage with/without kids and gay couples;
A apple tree bearing fruit.
A apple tree not bearing fruit for some reason.
A walnut tree who never bears any fruit wanting to be a apple tree.
A walnut tree hanging apples on it's branches pretending to be a apple tree.

The claim that if the government doesn't 'require' apple trees to bear fruit, then it is discrimination not to call walnut trees apple trees too is simply silly.

Marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.

Gay couples do not just fail in the primary essence of marriage, out of all relationships, they are the oxymoron of marriage.

Moreover, if you remove the element of procreation, you dumb down marriage to just a friendship. Hardly a cause for government interest, let alone selective discrimination.

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KiMare wrote:
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Just the facts honey.
Marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.
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We know that you think yourself clever for having thought up this thing, but, so far, you have been unable to point out its basis in any marriage law.

You have been unable to show there sex is prohibited outside of your "constraint" of mating behavior in maqrriage, and you can't prove that any such constraints within marriage are not the sole discretion of any married couple.

And, since not all sexual behavior (or even most) is doing to do a darn thing to support the survival of the species, I think your reliance on evolutionary mating behaviors as a point of law is rather silly.

Care to try again? Using logic, please.

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KiMare wrote:
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The differences between marriage with/without kids and gay couples;
A apple tree bearing fruit.
A apple tree not bearing fruit for some reason.
A walnut tree who never bears any fruit wanting to be a apple tree.
A walnut tree hanging apples on it's branches pretending to be a apple tree.
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People are not trees of any variety.

Children are not fruit and nuts.

Do you understand, now? It's really not so hard.

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KiMare wrote:
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Do you have a logical reasoned answer to this;
Marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.
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Yes, I do.

It's illogical and has no place in basis marriage law.

That's really all that can be said for it.

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KiMare wrote:
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Gay couples do not just fail in the primary essence of marriage, out of all relationships, they are the oxymoron of marriage.
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Hardly.

Gay people have ALL of the same reasons to marry that everyone else has, and their families and children benefit in all of the same ways.

If you believe otherwise, PROVE it.

Inventing silly catch-phrases is not the same thing as proof.

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KiMare wrote:
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Just the facts honey.
Marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.
Quest wrote:
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We know that you think yourself clever for having thought up this thing, but, so far, you have been unable to point out its basis in any marriage law.
You have been unable to show there sex is prohibited outside of your "constraint" of mating behavior in maqrriage, and you can't prove that any such constraints within marriage are not the sole discretion of any married couple.
And, since not all sexual behavior (or even most) is doing to do a darn thing to support the survival of the species, I think your reliance on evolutionary mating behaviors as a point of law is rather silly.
Care to try again? Using logic, please.
I have no need to show anything you claim. I simply described the bare essence of marriage. It stands on it's own merits.

You only confirm the statement with your 'argument'.

Social scientists assert that marriage would not exist were it not for children. The motivation of mating behavior is simply but powerfully to spread DNA as far and wide as possible. It is why sexual activity often occurs outside marriage with only an unintended consequence of children.

The constraint of marriage is simply to restrain couples to care for their offspring.

I made no attempt to make mating behavior a point of law. That is silly. It is a simple fact that law ignores at it's own peril.

I do commend you for being one of the first on these threads to even attempt a response.

Smile.

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KiMare wrote:
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The differences between marriage with/without kids and gay couples;
A apple tree bearing fruit.
A apple tree not bearing fruit for some reason.
A walnut tree who never bears any fruit wanting to be a apple tree.
A walnut tree hanging apples on it's branches pretending to be a apple tree.
Quest wrote:
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People are not trees of any variety.
Children are not fruit and nuts.
Do you understand, now? It's really not so hard.
You disappoint me.

Are you really saying you didn't understand that as an analogy?

Do I need to explain to you how this analogy works?

Your silly response only exposes how empty handed your position is against simple reality.

Please, if you have an reasoned logical response, I will be delighted to consider it. But games like these are beneath the dignity of adults.

Smile.

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